Boundaries with MS-North

[wvhsparent]

Nice work Gatordog.....IMHO those gap numbers are close enough to be insignificant.

They are all near or over 90 which is good.

[gatordog]

One more quick check in spreadsheet. This is looking at the known BB boundaries using latest test scores:
The BB gap is 3.9, when measured btw NV and WV.
The earlier reported BB gap of 3.1 was not the max gap, that was btw NV and BB MV.

Looks like the north "option 2" is slightly better than BB boundaries, in terms of achievement gap.

[rew]

I think the gap calcs are "guesses " at best GD when you have split schools...for instance the test scores are averages of all schools, what if splitting a school sends a group of the lowest performing students to one school and the highest performing to another school...could screw up the whole calculation. When the schools are whole, I think you can take a guess, but Option 2 has a lot of splits in it so I don't believe you are comparing apples to oranges.

[rew]

Is there anyone who has the same concern I do?

We build the HS north and stretch all the way to 75th to fill it today....in 5-10 yrs enrollment has dropped north and now Owen or CLOW or WE gets moved north. Macom has developed residential, as well as the Brach Brodie parcel and Wagner, Bronk etc. and NV and WV are full.

Isn't it likely that in 10-20 yrs we could be looking at 95th st as the boundary for the north school?. Especially if the goal is to someday close NVs frosh center and have 3 3000 student HSs..

A school building serves it's community into the distant future 50 yrs and more. If we have to go as far south as 75th to fill the school today at max pop, what will the district boundaries look like in 25 yrs?

[wvhsparent]

rew said:

Is there anyone who has the same concern I do?

We build the HS north and stretch all the way to 75th to fill it today....in 5-10 yrs enrollment has dropped north and now Owen or CLOW or WE gets moved north. Macom has developed residential, as well as the Brach Brodie parcel and Wagner, Bronk etc. and NV and WV are full.

Isn't it likely that in 10-20 yrs we could be looking at 95th st as the boundary for the north school?. Especially if the goal is to someday close NVs frosh center and have 3 3000 student HSs..

A school building serves it's community into the distant future 50 yrs and more. If we have to go as far south as 75th to fill the school today at max pop, what will the district boundaries look like in 25 yrs?

So you are assuming that the north end of the dist is going to eventually become devoid of students?
If anything, the North end, where there seems to be more affordable housing, should remain fairly stable or slight increase. I don't see the same drop in students you refer to.
or maybe 95th St for the "Central" school (WVHS)
I thought the Dist was reaching buildout, which should be the case in 25 years.

[doctorwho]

rew said:

Is there anyone who has the same concern I do?

We build the HS north and stretch all the way to 75th to fill it today....in 5-10 yrs enrollment has dropped north and now Owen or CLOW or WE gets moved north. Macom has developed residential, as well as the Brach Brodie parcel and Wagner, Bronk etc. and NV and WV are full.

Isn't it likely that in 10-20 yrs we could be looking at 95th st as the boundary for the north school?. Especially if the goal is to someday close NVs frosh center and have 3 3000 student HSs..

A school building serves it's community into the distant future 50 yrs and more. If we have to go as far south as 75th to fill the school today at max pop, what will the district boundaries look like in 25 yrs?

Yeah, I'd say I do to some extent, and of course you're assuming WE does get tapped to go this time with the new sites far west of 59 - it is also a candidate instead of Cowl or Watts - as the distance is much shorter - ( yes I know they would pass WV) -
btw- not wishing for any of this - just stating the fact some of what you say could conceivably happen right out of the box, depending on what they do with schools with walkers to WV, and what criteria they use for boundaries, don't assume only N-S will be used - E-W may come into play also.

[rew]

Not devoid of students WVHSP, even a dip of 10% would have big ramifications. And yes I would think the district would mature and dip slightly in enrollment, and the north sooner than the south.

Try to come up with boundaries right now for three 3000 student HSs, anticipating a drop of 10% across the district. I think you'll see what I am referring to.

[rew]

I think if a 10% dip occurs in 25 yrs, what you'll find is the north school will be at 2500, and the central school will be at 3000 and NV will be at 3500 apporx. which will necessitate moving the boundaries futher south.

IMO we will be challenged now and in the future to fill the northern school. The district and it's families need to recognize and accept that it will take sacrifice. Many will end up at their second closest school and many may end up at their third closest school.

[rew]

I agree Dr Who, that Wht Egle may well be assigned to a north MV, at least it avoids the Rt 59 commuter crush.

If Lehigh station is reassigned, where I don't know?, than I could easily see it happening.

To the district it is bus routes, the cost is probably justifiable.

I wonder if this is what we want for our district as families. What savings from BB would have people comfortable with this?

Many in Whte Egle live less than 1 mi to NV and then to pass WV to go to MV. What would someone be willing to "pay" to avoid that?

What about Spring brook and Clow and Welch? The areas that feel unaffected right now? They may be more affected in the long run than they are anticipating.

[wvhsparent]

OK if you say so rew.......if that happens we have the schools as you predict. lots of room for everyone at all the schools. No changes needed.
Most of the North end has been around for a while already and is mature now. The South areas are newer and IMHO will experience the greater fluctuations for the time period you speak of.

[doctorwho]

rew said:

I agree Dr Who, that Wht Egle may well be assigned to a north MV, at least it avoids the Rt 59 commuter crush.

If Lehigh station is reassigned, where I don't know?, than I could easily see it happening.

To the district it is bus routes, the cost is probably justifiable.

I wonder if this is what we want for our district as families. What savings from BB would have people comfortable with this?

Many in Whte Egle live less than 1 mi to NV and then to pass WV to go to MV. What would someone be willing to "pay" to avoid that?

What about Spring brook and Clow and Welch? The areas that feel unaffected right now? They may be more affected in the long run than they are anticipating.

OK-- here is a 'real-time' travel time update. I just had to drive to Hill to get my daughter and then drop her today at Illinois Basketball Association which is on Industrial Drive - west of 59 near the train station.

Dropped her off @ 3:28 - arrived home @ 3:59 -- 31 minutes of grueling traffic , bumper to bumper and many lights to get thru North Aurora & Ogden, and again at Ogden and Aurora Ave ( and me driving like a loon because I had a 4:00 business call)- this is still a good distance from AME - let alone Ferry Road. This is NO stops - and took Ogden ( not 59 which is worse- or so I thought) to avoid RR tracks like the bus would. Absolute solid from the Ogden & Aurora light to Ogden & Rickert where I could then cut through the neighborhoods - So anyone please tell me again that a 50 minute plus bus trip would not be in my future - Maybe just slightly less than that at AME - and absolutely more than that @ Ferry Road. Sure, sign me up

[rew]

All I am saying is that I forsee a time when enrollment could allow us to downsize, but the northern site does not facilitate it. It has very little in the way of flexibility.

My concern is that the north site causes pain in the present, but for the future as well.

[warriorpride]

doctorwho said:

rew said:

I agree Dr Who, that Wht Egle may well be assigned to a north MV, at least it avoids the Rt 59 commuter crush.

If Lehigh station is reassigned, where I don't know?, than I could easily see it happening.

To the district it is bus routes, the cost is probably justifiable.

I wonder if this is what we want for our district as families. What savings from BB would have people comfortable with this?

Many in Whte Egle live less than 1 mi to NV and then to pass WV to go to MV. What would someone be willing to "pay" to avoid that?

What about Spring brook and Clow and Welch? The areas that feel unaffected right now? They may be more affected in the long run than they are anticipating.

OK-- here is a 'real-time' travel time update. I just had to drive to Hill to get my daughter and then drop her today at Illinois Basketball Association which is on Industrial Drive - west of 59 near the train station.

Dropped her off @ 3:28 - arrived home @ 3:59 -- 31 minutes of grueling traffic , bumper to bumper and many lights to get thru North Aurora & Ogden, and again at Ogden and Aurora Ave ( and me driving like a loon because I had a 4:00 business call)- this is still a good distance from AME - let alone Ferry Road. This is NO stops - and took Ogden ( not 59 which is worse- or so I thought) to avoid RR tracks like the bus would. Absolute solid from the Ogden & Aurora light to Ogden & Rickert where I could then cut through the neighborhoods - So anyone please tell me again that a 50 minute plus bus trip would not be in my future - Maybe just slightly less than that at AME - and absolutely more than that @ Ferry Road. Sure, sign me up

Dr - my only comment is this is that this is not a good time of year to log any benchmarks - the 2 weeks prior to xmas, the traffic in the Rt 59 area leading to the Fox Valley mall gets worse & worse each day - and the arteries feeding into 59 are impacted, as well

[doctorwho]

warriorpride said:

doctorwho said:

OK-- here is a 'real-time' travel time update. I just had to drive to Hill to get my daughter and then drop her today at Illinois Basketball Association which is on Industrial Drive - west of 59 near the train station.

Dropped her off @ 3:28 - arrived home @ 3:59 -- 31 minutes of grueling traffic , bumper to bumper and many lights to get thru North Aurora & Ogden, and again at Ogden and Aurora Ave ( and me driving like a loon because I had a 4:00 business call)- this is still a good distance from AME - let alone Ferry Road. This is NO stops - and took Ogden ( not 59 which is worse- or so I thought) to avoid RR tracks like the bus would. Absolute solid from the Ogden & Aurora light to Ogden & Rickert where I could then cut through the neighborhoods - So anyone please tell me again that a 50 minute plus bus trip would not be in my future - Maybe just slightly less than that at AME - and absolutely more than that @ Ferry Road. Sure, sign me up

Dr - my only comment is this is that this is not a good time of year to log any benchmarks - the 2 weeks prior to xmas, the traffic in the Rt 59 area leading to the Fox Valley mall gets worse & worse each day - and the arteries feeding into 59 are impacted, as well

Unless they close schools in December, this is a real scenario. And doubtful a lot of Christmas shopping being done @ 3:30 in the afternoon on a Tuesday.
So if it snows / rains should I not count those times also? This is a real world experience and not a one off trip -
Ogden Ave is jammed every night of the year from the corner of Ogden and North Aurora to Ogden and 59 - this is not unusual. And 59 is not an option. Could take River but there again another set of pesky tracks.

What about the intersection of rt 59 and I88 - that is a nightmare any day at most any time.

If you were telling me to throw out a trip to Ohare on the day before Thanksgiving I would concede that point - this one is very valid. How many days will it snow while in school, and traffic will be worse than today ?

Not trying to be a pita, but this is what we are facing....

[warriorpride]

doctorwho said:

warriorpride said:

Dr - my only comment is this is that this is not a good time of year to log any benchmarks - the 2 weeks prior to xmas, the traffic in the Rt 59 area leading to the Fox Valley mall gets worse & worse each day - and the arteries feeding into 59 are impacted, as well

Unless they close schools in December, this is a real scenario. And doubtful a lot of Christmas shopping being done @ 3:30 in the afternoon on a Tuesday.
So if it snows / rains should I not count those times also? This is a real world experience and not a one off trip -
Ogden Ave is jammed every night of the year from the corner of Ogden and North Aurora to Ogden and 59 - this is not unusual. And 59 is not an option. Could take River but there again another set of pesky tracks.

Not trying to be a pita, but this is what we are facing....

all I'm saying is that it's not typical, and well above the average - this is a small window of time within the school year - also, I'll bet your commute to WV or NV, or time anywhere would be potentially impacted by holiday traffic, rush hour traffic, or bad weather - I know that my work commute is