Boundaries with MS-North

[wvhsparent]

doctorwho said:

wvhsparent said:

I like both options...leaning towards #2



I also want to refute those who say a northern site is "unworkable".... Sure it's not what most would desire, but as evidenced by Gatordog's fine handiwork, it could be done.

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it IS unworkable for all but 2 -3 Es's. Should not the work of the SB satisfy Most of the people who voted on the referendum and have students in the system ?
Not saying ALL, as nothing is perfect, but most people there will be unhappy -- that seems wrong to me.

I'd be happy if they put our new school between West street and Washington and north of 75th -- but most would not - and I would agree that would be a bad placement as the majority of students outside of 2 - 3 ( Watts / Owen and maybe Cowlishaw ) would have horrendous commutes. Same thing.

Bad choice of words on my part I should have said many instead of most.
I would venture to guess many who attend NVHS and will continue to under any configuration (The SE portion) care 1 way or the other where MVHS is put. I know many up north by me including much of Stonebridge, and Butterfield area, and probably even Brookdale would love a northern site.
I know your area dr. hates a northern site, for the already stated reasons, but mostly only if your area goes there. There is an equal chance like GD's option 2 your area stays at WVHS, which would possibly change several opinions then.
This is just my observation, not based on any facts.

[doctorwho]

macy said:

Maybe we could carpool Dr W. I have no more money for gas and certainly no more time for added commute either.

heck with that distance, maybe we should be hoping for the commuter train line

maybe we could get a 204 discount

[doctorwho]

wvhsparent said:

doctorwho said:

wvhsparent said:

I like both options...leaning towards #2



I also want to refute those who say a northern site is "unworkable".... Sure it's not what most would desire, but as evidenced by Gatordog's fine handiwork, it could be done.

quote]

it IS unworkable for all but 2 -3 Es's. Should not the work of the SB satisfy Most of the people who voted on the referendum and have students in the system ?
Not saying ALL, as nothing is perfect, but most people there will be unhappy -- that seems wrong to me.

I'd be happy if they put our new school between West street and Washington and north of 75th -- but most would not - and I would agree that would be a bad placement as the majority of students outside of 2 - 3 ( Watts / Owen and maybe Cowlishaw ) would have horrendous commutes. Same thing.

Bad choice of words on my part I should have said many instead of most.
I would venture to guess many who attend NVHS and will continue under any configuration (The SE potion) care 1 way or the other where MVHS is put. I know many up north by me including much of Stonebridge, and Butterfield area, and probably even Brookdale would love a northern site.
I know your area dr. hates a northern site, for the already stated reasons, but mostly only if your area goes there. There is an equal chance like GD's option 2 your area stays at WVHS, which would possibly change several opinions then.
This is just my observation, not based on any facts.

for my area not to go - you have to then take all Steck and all McCarty - and some combination of Gombert / WE - Cowlishaw. Who of that group is going to be for that ?

[wvhsparent]

doctorwho said:

wvhsparent said:

OK I will propse this to those who MUST have BB......
Would you be willing to shoulder the entire cost overrun to have BB? Meaning that the BB attendance area would be set with a special taxing Dist to cover the added cost? If you say OK...I'll jump on the BB bandwagon.

Althjough I am not one who MUST have BB, it is the best alternative on the table for 204 as a whole. Show me one better ! If they can find another piece of property that works as well for ALL, not a few, I am fine with that also.


OK, that's like saying would you pick up my child and take them to and from school - including picking them up and taking them home from all extra curricular activities at the Wisconsin branch of 204. Pay for my gas to get to and from there -- and if my area takes a hit in resale value because our schools are in the next county - your area with the school there can set up a special fund to compensate us --- this is just sillly.

And then when your schools need maintenance - and some of them outside the BB attendance area are some of the oldest in the area- you pay for it ! You would be setting up a level of separation unprecedented here before and would be horrid.....

It doesn't work that way - this is one district and what should be done should be best for the whole district.

I'll take that as a no you would not wish to pay the extra. I'm already on the hook with everyone else for the inital 124.7 Mil. , and am not willing to pay more because the SB goofed. Sorry.

[doctorwho]

wvhsparent said:

doctorwho said:

Althjough I am not one who MUST have BB, it is the best alternative on the table for 204 as a whole. Show me one better ! If they can find another piece of property that works as well for ALL, not a few, I am fine with that also.


OK, that's like saying would you pick up my child and take them to and from school - including picking them up and taking them home from all extra curricular activities at the Wisconsin branch of 204. Pay for my gas to get to and from there -- and if my area takes a hit in resale value because our schools are in the next county - your area with the school there can set up a special fund to compensate us --- this is just sillly.

And then when your schools need maintenance - and some of them outside the BB attendance area are some of the oldest in the area- you pay for it ! You would be setting up a level of separation unprecedented here before and would be horrid.....

It doesn't work that way - this is one district and what should be done should be best for the whole district.

I'll take that as a no you would not wish to pay the extra. I'm already on the hook with everyone else for the inital 124.7 Mil. , and am not willing to pay more because the SB goofed. Sorry.

And I don't want to pay more for what I see as a potential additional goof. Future ops referendums will also reflect increased transportation for getting everyone to a site where they do not reside - and increasing commutes by that much.

[wvhsparent]

so it seems we all are hosed regardless........

[doctorwho]

wvhsparent said:

so it seems we all are hosed regardless........

I keep hopng some site that somehow has been overlooked jumps up and has a willing seller, and asks a fair price, and the land doesn't have any WMD type knocks on it etc etc etc -- must be the season...I think I may have to write my first letter to Santa in many a year ;D

[macy]

doctorwho said:

wvhsparent said:

so it seems we all are hosed regardless........

I keep hopng some site that somehow has been overlooked jumps up and has a willing seller, and asks a fair price, and the land doesn't have any WMD type knocks on it etc etc etc -- must be the season...I think I may have to write my first letter to Santa in many a year ;D

WMD? Weapons of Mass Destruction?

Clueless here but laughing nonetheless.

[doctorwho]

macy said:

doctorwho said:

I keep hopng some site that somehow has been overlooked jumps up and has a willing seller, and asks a fair price, and the land doesn't have any WMD type knocks on it etc etc etc -- must be the season...I think I may have to write my first letter to Santa in many a year ;D

WMD? Weapons of Mass Destruction?

Clueless here but laughing nonetheless.

just a slight exagerration from the power lines / gas lines / power stations / train stations, and whatnot

[Arch]

WMD = Where's Mah Darnschool

[macy]

doctorwho said:

macy said:

WMD? Weapons of Mass Destruction?

Clueless here but laughing nonetheless.

just a slight exagerration from the power lines / gas lines / power stations / train stations, and whatnot

Ha ha.... Love it! That's what I thought you meant, very funny!

[doctorwho]

archwinsome said:

WMD = Where's Mah Darnschool

ya hey der....I thinks it is in Wisconsin

[EagleDad]

gatordog said:

Here is some weekend brainstorming. The Xmas decorations didnt happen yet

Approach here (as suggested by others) was think about MS assigments first, and see how that might guide HS boundary choices. Not easy though...lots more variables. I first thought about North site, mainly because of the two known alternates its likely most buildable at this time.

I tried to minimize splits. When used, they are a bit approx. The idea is to keep neighborhoods together if an ES is split. (edit: an example, when McCarty split...confine it to the area bounded by creek on N, RR tracks on east, a neighborhood-the one where the ES sits. I guesstimated the population)

Option 1:
MV: BD,BR, COWL, LONG, WATT, YOU
WV: FRY, GEO, GOM, MCC, 1/2 OWEN, WE, PET(Ash), ST
NV: BUI, CLOW, GRA, KEN, 1/2 OWEN, PATT, SB, WEL, PET(wheat)

Hill: BD, COWL, WATTS (100% MV)
Grang: BR, LONG, YOU (100% MV)
7th: GEO, MCC, STEC (100% WV)
Still: GOM, OWEN, 1/2 WEL, WE (66% WV & NV)
Greg: CLOW, PATT, SB (100% NV)
Scull: 1/2 BUIL, FRY, 1/2 WEL, PET (ash) (51% WV & NV)
Crone: 1/2 BUIL, GRAH, KEN, PET (wheat) (100% NV)

Option 2:
MV: BD,BR, 1/2 COWL, LONG, 70% MCC, ST, YOU
WV: 1/2 COWL, FRY, GEO, GOM, 30 %MCC, 1/2 OWEN, WATT, WE, PET(Ash)
NV: BUI, CLOW, GRA, KEN, 1/2 OWEN, PATT, SB, WEL, PET(wheat)

Hill: BD, 1/2 COWL, LONG, WATT (46% WV & MV)
Grang: BR, ST, YOU (100% MV)
7th: 1/2 COWL, GEO, 80% GOM, MCC (61% WV & MV)
Still: 20% GOM, OWEN, WEL, WE (46% WV & NV)
Greg: CLOW, PATT, SB (100% NV)
Scull: BUIL, FRY, PET (ash) (58% WV & NV)
Crone: GRAH, KEN, PET (wheat) (100% NV)

From a personal perspective I really don't want to see the reaction if those options are proposed. In both you are moving WE (both the MS and HS), Fry and Watts - Some of the biggest supporters of the referendum that passed.

It's going to be a nightmare - with a big backlash if that comes to pass - just being a realist.

[doctorwho]

eagledad said:

gatordog said:

Here is some weekend brainstorming. The Xmas decorations didnt happen yet

Approach here (as suggested by others) was think about MS assigments first, and see how that might guide HS boundary choices. Not easy though...lots more variables. I first thought about North site, mainly because of the two known alternates its likely most buildable at this time.

I tried to minimize splits. When used, they are a bit approx. The idea is to keep neighborhoods together if an ES is split. (edit: an example, when McCarty split...confine it to the area bounded by creek on N, RR tracks on east, a neighborhood-the one where the ES sits. I guesstimated the population)

Option 1:
MV: BD,BR, COWL, LONG, WATT, YOU
WV: FRY, GEO, GOM, MCC, 1/2 OWEN, WE, PET(Ash), ST
NV: BUI, CLOW, GRA, KEN, 1/2 OWEN, PATT, SB, WEL, PET(wheat)

Hill: BD, COWL, WATTS (100% MV)
Grang: BR, LONG, YOU (100% MV)
7th: GEO, MCC, STEC (100% WV)
Still: GOM, OWEN, 1/2 WEL, WE (66% WV & NV)
Greg: CLOW, PATT, SB (100% NV)
Scull: 1/2 BUIL, FRY, 1/2 WEL, PET (ash) (51% WV & NV)
Crone: 1/2 BUIL, GRAH, KEN, PET (wheat) (100% NV)

Option 2:
MV: BD,BR, 1/2 COWL, LONG, 70% MCC, ST, YOU
WV: 1/2 COWL, FRY, GEO, GOM, 30 %MCC, 1/2 OWEN, WATT, WE, PET(Ash)
NV: BUI, CLOW, GRA, KEN, 1/2 OWEN, PATT, SB, WEL, PET(wheat)

Hill: BD, 1/2 COWL, LONG, WATT (46% WV & MV)
Grang: BR, ST, YOU (100% MV)
7th: 1/2 COWL, GEO, 80% GOM, MCC (61% WV & MV)
Still: 20% GOM, OWEN, WEL, WE (46% WV & NV)
Greg: CLOW, PATT, SB (100% NV)
Scull: BUIL, FRY, PET (ash) (58% WV & NV)
Crone: GRAH, KEN, PET (wheat) (100% NV)

From a personal perspective I really don't want to see the reaction if those options are proposed. In both you are moving WE (both the MS and HS), Fry and Watts - Some of the biggest supporters of the referendum that passed.

It's going to be a nightmare - with a big backlash if that comes to pass - just being a realist.

if I remember right 80% turnout in WE and Watts ( correct me if I am wrong ED) - and close to that if not there in TG. The issue is most people don't know what's going on right now - another Watts person said today that 2 people they talked to 1 thought BB was still happening and the other thought the SB would have to come back to us before changing sites. We know both misinformed. Once they announce the site - people will be informed

[EagleDad]

I'll make it simple...

The SB darn well better come back to us before changing sites, or they'll never see my support for another dollar of funds.

If they make their decision on their own, choose a site on their own, they can figure out how to operate it on their own.