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Post by momto4 on Jan 25, 2008 8:38:07 GMT -6
I thought you were referring to going north in your earlier post? At busy times of day you may have to wait to go through that light on the way south but not at the time the high-school day finishes. What about at the time certain after school activities finish? 4PM and later...? 4pm until sometime around 5 or a little later is not bad, but yes, it is bad from then until around 6:30. How do I know? I drive that route from my house to WV on a regular basis at that time! As many have been doing for years. I don't wish it on anyone, truly. I'm just saying it won't be a problem for the buses and the kids driving themselves for regular after-school activities, but for sports and other extended activities it will be just as it is today. |
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Post by d204mom on Jan 25, 2008 8:46:55 GMT -6
Funny that is the light I had to sit through twice last time I was headed south on Eola. I was trying to go straight. I must be the only one that has ever had to sit through 2 cycles of the light to go south on Eola. I thought you were referring to going north in your earlier post? At busy times of day you may have to wait to go through that light on the way south but not at the time the high-school day finishes. What earlier post are you referring to? This one? Or the fact that since the bulk of kids have to go north in the morning and south in the afternoon since MWGEN will the the northernmost school in the district? I got stuck at the light headed south in the afternoon - around 3pm. I drove up there to see the site at 3:00 on a weekday afternoon and had to sit through 2 lights headed south on Eola at Indian Trail. |
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Post by momto4 on Jan 25, 2008 8:54:46 GMT -6
I do agree the N/B Eola to W/B Indian Trail seems to be one of the busiest. Since every school in D204 currently is south of the WGEN site I would assume that a very high percentage of the kids going there will be coming from the south and will be subjected to that light. Those coming from the southeast - LW / BD will probably use that intersection as well. This is the one I was talking about. wfhsparent was agreeing with me that northbound Eola Rd. intersection at Indian Trail is bad, and what is bad about it is the left turn lane backs up into the left-hand straight lane. If you are going straight and eventually turning right as the bus would do at AME, there is also a right-turn lane and the right-hand straight lane doesn't tend to back up. So, in that context you said a lot of kids would be coming from the south and going through that intersection, and I'm explaining why it's not a problem coming from the south through that intersection. Longwood/Brookdale if they come that way would be on North Aurora Road heading east and turning right onto Eola. That is also not a problem IME. Turning left onto Eola from that intersection is another place that tends to back up. It would be extremely unusual to have to wait two lights in any direction at that intersection at 3pm EXCEPT the left-turning northbound. |
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Post by d204mom on Jan 25, 2008 9:08:22 GMT -6
I a$sumed that you know that kids will have to go home at the end of the day. Hense heading back south in the afternoon.
Will they take a different way?
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Post by Arch on Jan 25, 2008 9:30:23 GMT -6
What about at the time certain after school activities finish? 4PM and later...? 4pm until sometime around 5 or a little later is not bad, but yes, it is bad from then until around 6:30. How do I know? I drive that route from my house to WV on a regular basis at that time! As many have been doing for years. I don't wish it on anyone, truly. I'm just saying it won't be a problem for the buses and the kids driving themselves for regular after-school activities, but for sports and other extended activities it will be just as it is today. Well, it will be just as it is today now with the extra traffic of the school's comings and goings. |
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Post by sd204taxpayer on Jan 25, 2008 9:50:49 GMT -6
The school bus ride was quoted as 40 minutes by the asst super. The school bus ride is 25-30 minutes ( depending what end of Watts you are in) today to Hill. SO 40 minutes is definitely accurate if not slightly longer. School buses are not cars and they make stops and go around RR grade crossings, and unfortunately do have to travel in busier times. The 40 minute bus ride- the longest in the district will reside here. And really a diagonal road is not the issue the issue is that the closest HS is NV -- the next closest is WV, and the furthest - by far, is MV @ AME- and that is where we are going. No one else in the district except Watts and Cowlishaw will attend the furhest school from their home. So much for sense of community We have to trade a 15 minute bus ride for a 40 minute plus bus ride - and extra 50 minutes per day x 200 days , 167 hours per school year for this privilege. ( and that's not counting all the multiple trip days due to sports and activities). There is no way to get from WE, TG, Tamarack, Ashwood, etc. without going over a grade crossing. That's going to be a lot of cars and buses crossing the RR tracks. I can't even imagine the traffic backups after they increase the freight trains to 40 per day. Remember, every bus has to stop at the RR tracks every time they cross, so that should make for some nice traffic jams. Don't forget that the Canadian National Railroad is in the process of an acquisition that when completed will move train traffic that currently goes through Chicago to the E J & E railroad and make the traffic on the EJ&E dramatically increase! So much for safety being considered in a school site selection lol. |
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Post by momto4 on Jan 25, 2008 10:27:37 GMT -6
4pm until sometime around 5 or a little later is not bad, but yes, it is bad from then until around 6:30. How do I know? I drive that route from my house to WV on a regular basis at that time! As many have been doing for years. I don't wish it on anyone, truly. I'm just saying it won't be a problem for the buses and the kids driving themselves for regular after-school activities, but for sports and other extended activities it will be just as it is today. Well, it will be just as it is today now with the extra traffic of the school's comings and goings. What about the decrease in traffic from those of us who normally drive to/from WV? |
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Post by Arch on Jan 25, 2008 10:30:11 GMT -6
Well, it will be just as it is today now with the extra traffic of the school's comings and goings. What about the decrease in traffic from those of us who normally drive to/from WV? Opposite direction and a smaller subset than an entire high school. |
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Post by momto4 on Jan 25, 2008 10:31:00 GMT -6
I a$sumed that you know that kids will have to go home at the end of the day. Hense heading back south in the afternoon. Will they take a different way? Umm, no need to get nasty here. There is no traffic problem on the way back south at the end of the school day since it is nowhere near rush hour. Also many after school clubs are done well before 5pm. What is the point of all this arguing about the traffic on Eola? It is what it is and the site has been chosen. All we can do now is find out what might be done about any of the problem intersections. |
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Post by momto4 on Jan 25, 2008 10:33:44 GMT -6
What about the decrease in traffic from those of us who normally drive to/from WV? Opposite direction and a smaller subset than an entire high school. When it's parents driving the kids to/from the school it is both directions at either end of the day. No matter at WV or MV. |
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Post by Arch on Jan 25, 2008 10:56:35 GMT -6
Opposite direction and a smaller subset than an entire high school. When it's parents driving the kids to/from the school it is both directions at either end of the day. No matter at WV or MV. A school at Eola puts everyone on Eola. WV pulls people to the site via Eola and via Ogden. (a major intersection) Think of it as a funnel effect. Where there were 2 large ways to get bring people to and away from the WV site there is now 1 for MV, unless you are going to claim that as many people who would have taken Ogden to get to and from WV are now going to take only Molitor to come to and from the site (MV). |
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Post by d204mom on Jan 25, 2008 11:13:58 GMT -6
I a$sumed that you know that kids will have to go home at the end of the day. Hense heading back south in the afternoon. Will they take a different way? Umm, no need to get nasty here. There is no traffic problem on the way back south at the end of the school day since it is nowhere near rush hour. Also many after school clubs are done well before 5pm. What is the point of all this arguing about the traffic on Eola? It is what it is and the site has been chosen. All we can do now is find out what might be done about any of the problem intersections. I honestly think that if the SB had solicited real input from the community and built a consensus instead of ramming this decision down our throats people would be more accepting and wouldn't be annoyed with every problem. There was absolutely NO expectations-setting prior to the announcement. The only sites mentioned in the papers were Macom and BB. North site information was attained through pure rumor and speculation. As it stands a good portion of the district is unhappy and they will pick on and fight every little decision going forward. Especially since a good many of us feel like they are withholding information. That is the domino effect of a lack of trust. The school board is making that problem worse, not better, with every step they've taken lately. Once you find out that they have been untruthful or misleading once, you start to wonder what else they are hiding. Hense the posts regarding bussing, traffic, budget, and environmental concerns. Just post the dang budget and the enviornmental reports. The "answers" given at the sb meeting were not adequate. It's not ok to gloss over a Midwest Gen spokeman's enviornmental concerns by saying that we don't control what people say in the paper. How about "We will find out what they meant by that and let everyone know." |
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Post by wvhsparent on Jan 25, 2008 11:17:18 GMT -6
When it's parents driving the kids to/from the school it is both directions at either end of the day. No matter at WV or MV. A school at Eola puts everyone on Eola. WV pulls people to the site via Eola and via Ogden. (a major intersection) Think of it as a funnel effect. Where there were 2 large ways to get bring people to and away from the WV site there is now 1 for MV, unless you are going to claim that as many people who would have taken Ogden to get to and from WV are now going to take only Molitor to come to and from the site (MV). There is only 1 and it's W/B only entrance to WVHS from Ogden. and I think it was put in only recently to service the faculty lot. So 99% of WVHS traffic is also on Eola. |
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Post by doctorwho on Jan 25, 2008 11:19:37 GMT -6
Opposite direction and a smaller subset than an entire high school. When it's parents driving the kids to/from the school it is both directions at either end of the day. No matter at WV or MV. Those comng from Watts & Cowlishaw spend almost no time on Eola- Ogden would be the road travelled. 75th to Ogden and there, pretty simple. |
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Post by d204mom on Jan 25, 2008 11:23:12 GMT -6
When it's parents driving the kids to/from the school it is both directions at either end of the day. No matter at WV or MV. Those comng from Watts & Cowlishaw spend almost no time on Eola- Ogden would be the road travelled. 75th to Ogden and there, pretty simple. Same as Owen. |
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