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Post by concerned2 on Mar 28, 2008 7:06:14 GMT -6
I see this as apples and oranges. To compare the two sites is ludicrous. It's time to accept the fact that Eola will be the site of the new school. All this negative hysteria does nothing to help unite the district. The IEPA will be involved, as stated earlier in this thread more than once, after the close. The BB lawsuit has no precedent. The NSFOC lawsuit has no precedent. It would be fiscally irresponsible to buy BB (as much as we'd like it) - there are other voters who voted no who would not share our zeal to spend more $ than voted on. Would it be nice to wait another 3 years and see the end result of the lawsuit - maybe. We don't have three years. All of us realize how badly the new school is needed. The atty's would like nothing better than to drag this on for perpetuity to keep the billable hours coming. Hopefully, it will get thrown out in May. My opinion. Arch, I agree and the SB stated BB is their first choice. Not happening. Next. what's ludicrous is that you want people to just accept a site that I don't believe is safe - has not proven to be safe- but you'll have us risk our kids because you say it is time? that's ludicrous in my book. Amen doc!! I feel so much better to hear that the IEPA will be involved after the sale and probably will only be looking at hand picked site reports. Now I can sleep at night and know all is well. |
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Post by snerdley on Mar 28, 2008 7:09:13 GMT -6
what's ludicrous is that you want people to just accept a site that I don't believe is safe - has not proven to be safe- but you'll have us risk our kids because you say it is time? that's ludicrous in my book. Amen doc!! I feel so much better to hear that the IEPA will be involved after the sale and probably will only be looking at hand picked site reports. Now I can sleep at night and know all is well. This is all just more manipulation by our SB. Reassure the public that everything will be just fine and plow ahead. All the while keeping us in the dark about the real details. Sounds alot like how they handled BB. |
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Post by doctorwho on Mar 28, 2008 7:11:40 GMT -6
what's ludicrous is that you want people to just accept a site that I don't believe is safe - has not proven to be safe- but you'll have us risk our kids because you say it is time? that's ludicrous in my book. Everyone is acting like there is a monster under the bed. It's going to turn out to actually be a pair of socks, but everyone is going to run around saying, "Well, it sure looks like a monster!" sounds exactly like what people told us about second hand smoke -- how'd that turn out ? |
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Post by sushi on Mar 28, 2008 7:22:48 GMT -6
It is an unfortunate situation. The world we live in is SO polluted, it's scary to think of all the chemicals and pollutants in our water and our food. Just today, dioxin was found on 12 dairy farms in Italy, whose chief export is mozzarella cheese. Who knows how many of us have eaten it. Lead in toys. Is any of it acceptable? No. But don't claim that spilled diesel than will be removed is the same thing as second hand smoke. Most of us live on former farmland farmed long before a lot of chemicals were outlawed. Who knows what is under/around us. We know what has to be removed from Eola; it will be done.
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Post by doctorwho on Mar 28, 2008 7:30:15 GMT -6
It is an unfortunate situation. The world we live in is SO polluted, it's scary to think of all the chemicals and pollutants in our water and our food. Just today, dioxin was found on 12 dairy farms in Italy, whose chief export is mozzarella cheese. Who knows how many of us have eaten it. Lead in toys. Is any of it acceptable? No. But don't claim that spilled diesel than will be removed is the same thing as second hand smoke. Most of us live on former farmland farmed long before a lot of chemicals were outlawed. Who knows what is under/around us. We know what has to be removed from Eola; it will be done. How do we 'know' when we have not even checked for everything ? And you may be comfortabel with the EMF situation and the peaker plants there, I never will be, There is my comparison to 2nd hand smoke. For years we knew they was some statistical correlation to 2nd hand smoke and health issues, but the nay sayers all chimed in- well you can't prove anything - as hard as you try. Similar to ENVIRON's statement on EMF's. I will no tlook back on e day and say, gee I wish we hadn't done that -- I hope you never have to. I think those of us who would actually have children attend that site would be better judges of the risks WE want to take. You are taking none either way. |
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Post by Arch on Mar 28, 2008 7:39:41 GMT -6
It is an unfortunate situation. The world we live in is SO polluted, it's scary to think of all the chemicals and pollutants in our water and our food. Just today, dioxin was found on 12 dairy farms in Italy, whose chief export is mozzarella cheese. Who knows how many of us have eaten it. Lead in toys. Is any of it acceptable? No. But don't claim that spilled diesel than will be removed is the same thing as second hand smoke. Most of us live on former farmland farmed long before a lot of chemicals were outlawed. Who knows what is under/around us. We know what has to be removed from Eola; it will be done. They said they tested for Diesel and AntiFreeze and 50% of things tested for were found. How many others did they test for? Anything else? Do you even know what else exists and in what quantities? Quantities and actual substances are what matters when it comes to pollution as well as the subjects being exposed to pollution. Take something like Flouride. A little bit is good for you.. over that tiny threshold, it's deadly. Medically we know what that threshold is because it has been identified. If you do not identify something, you can not state that it is safe. Please share the list of other chemicals that were tested for in the soil, because the only two that have been reported are DFO and Antifreeze. |
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Post by rural on Mar 28, 2008 7:40:00 GMT -6
It is an unfortunate situation. The world we live in is SO polluted, it's scary to think of all the chemicals and pollutants in our water and our food. Just today, dioxin was found on 12 dairy farms in Italy, whose chief export is mozzarella cheese. Who knows how many of us have eaten it. Lead in toys. Is any of it acceptable? No. But don't claim that spilled diesel than will be removed is the same thing as second hand smoke. Most of us live on former farmland farmed long before a lot of chemicals were outlawed. Who knows what is under/around us. We know what has to be removed from Eola; it will be done. AME was all farmland. Grew soybeans and corn on it the entire time MWGEN was operating up until now. If they weren't planning on putting the school there they would be turning the earth over right about now. Just think all those soybeans and corn grown on that property and others like it in the area are in our cereals, cornflakes and crackers. Mmmmm. Yummy. |
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Post by snerdley on Mar 28, 2008 7:41:26 GMT -6
It is an unfortunate situation. The world we live in is SO polluted, it's scary to think of all the chemicals and pollutants in our water and our food. Just today, dioxin was found on 12 dairy farms in Italy, whose chief export is mozzarella cheese. Who knows how many of us have eaten it. Lead in toys. Is any of it acceptable? No. But don't claim that spilled diesel than will be removed is the same thing as second hand smoke. Most of us live on former farmland farmed long before a lot of chemicals were outlawed. Who knows what is under/around us. We know what has to be removed from Eola; it will be done. Maybe I just woke up on the wrong side of the bed today or something......but if you won't have kids affected by any of this, then I don't understand your agenda to shove down everyone else's throats your ideas. How dare you tell us who will have kids in the system (and some have kids who will go to MVHS) how to think and feel about all of this? Our children are directly affected by the decisions the SB and district make. If your's aren't, then you are not in the same position that we are. |
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Post by rural on Mar 28, 2008 7:48:04 GMT -6
Snerdley,
I don't think there was anything in Sushi's post telling you what to do or how you should feel. I can't speak for her, but my take was it was just her skew of things in general.
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Post by specailneedsmom on Mar 28, 2008 7:52:12 GMT -6
If anyone is convinced that the IL EPA will be involved with the clean up at Eola then they are sadly misinformed. To have the EPA involved in any meaningful way would mean we would have to voluntarily enroll in one of their programs. That has not and will not happen if the SB plans for MV to open in 2009.
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Post by sushi on Mar 28, 2008 7:56:38 GMT -6
I have 5 soon to be 6 nieces and nephews, some will go to WV, some to MV. I love my neighbors kids like my own. I do care about your kids too. My intent is not to shove anything, anywhere. My point is, this is what's going to be, IMO.
When the phase II are released we will know more about other chemicals. Although they have made a lot of mistakes, I don't believe anyone including our SB would move forward if there were anything in those reports to be alarmed about.
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Post by Arch on Mar 28, 2008 8:00:26 GMT -6
I have 5 soon to be 6 nieces and nephews, some will go to WV, some to MV. I love my neighbors kids like my own. I do care about your kids too. My intent is not to shove anything, anywhere. My point is, this is what's going to be, IMO. When the phase II are released we will know more about other chemicals. Although they have made a lot of mistakes, I don't believe anyone including our SB would move forward if there were anything in those reports to be alarmed about.The phrase "Ignorance is bliss" is ringing over and over. |
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Post by sushi on Mar 28, 2008 8:00:42 GMT -6
Specialneedsmom, I am convinced the IEPA will be contacted by the contractor before remediation has begun. The IEPA says it takes 6 to 24 months to issue an approval. It may be 6 or longer. The area to be remediated is in a far corner away from the school building and away from construction.
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Post by sushi on Mar 28, 2008 8:02:17 GMT -6
Arch, what do you know about phase II that you're not sharing?
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Post by Arch on Mar 28, 2008 8:02:29 GMT -6
Specialneedsmom, I am convinced the IEPA will be contacted by the contractor before remediation has begun. The IEPA says it takes 6 to 24 months to issue an approval. It may be 6 or longer. The area to be remediated is in a far corner away from the school building and away from construction. What is the safety distance required to clean up what is presently known to be found there for the quantities present? |
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