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Post by yeson321 on Mar 16, 2008 9:39:31 GMT -6
Thank you so much for clarifying what we knew all along. How about an aerial of the pool powerlines? 528ft isn't exactly living under the powerlines. |
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Post by sushi on Mar 16, 2008 9:39:48 GMT -6
Brad, no TG bashing, NSFOC bashing. This is where it all started and everyone knows it.
It is hard to give credibility to a group that lives among the very hazards they claim to be against in the Eola site.
Ok, I know some people who don't live there have concerns, I know, I know. This is where it started. This is why I give no credibility to this group of hypocrites.
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Post by fence on Mar 16, 2008 9:43:44 GMT -6
You're avoiding arch's request, and his questions. This is why you feel like you are repeating yourself. Because you are. What you're saying isn't addressing the questions people are asking. I couldn't care less that average joe resident tells me the site is safe. A degree in EE can get you a cup of coffee in this town. And I couldn't care less that the attorney lives near powerlines. (What a shock btw - an attorney that doesn't practice what he preaches. How totally unbelievable.) What I care about is that people perceive this site is unsafe, it is a difficult location, and we don't have any information on the results of the environmental tests yet. Not to mention that they are not being done by an independent third party. Add all of that together and that makes me nervous, not just for safety but for general PR for the district. Heaven knows that perception is reality around here, and whether anyone wants to admit it or not, we need to consider that. So my question is simply this - WHY is it so much to ask for testing to be done by an independent company, the results shared, and the SB addressing in a public forum concerns that people have? If the site came back clean, if the SB works to reassure everyone, and if people had the chance to ask their questions, I think you'd get much less resistance. It wouldn't be zero, but it would be enough. Why keep trying to beat people over the head with personal opinion, or try to introduce irrelevant data like the attorney lives near a power line, or turn things around to say that people just don't want to attend WV? Why is it so hard to just put your money where your mouth is and get an independent review and have a civilized disussion about the results? Having someone stand up on a soapbox and talk AT you is just exhausting. How about being a leader instead of managing people like they're widgets? So if you wanted to form this opinion, you could have easily taken readings from the AME site before the other group started taking the pictures. If you were doing this years back then you had another oppty to take a reading at AME, b/c it was in the running 2 years ago, but then it became discounted b/c of the questionable land...so are you saying this didn't peak your curiosity....if you were so diligent with BB and other schools, why not the AME site....IMO, this does not add up or you forgot to do part of your homework assignment. I feel like I'm talking to a toddler - let me be more clear - pulling the whole EMF thing is commonly used as a scare tactic - plain and simple. Again - if you had any working knowledge of powerlines you would know that the part that matters is the distance - I know the distance at the the AME from the power lines and the power lines are at such a distance that the EMF levels would disipate to normal background levels. That is basic electrical line principals. Doesn't matter how hot or cold. You are arguing a point that is irrelevant because of distance. Everyone keeps pointing at ugly power lines - you got it there ugly but they are not going to effect that property becasue of the distance. I took other readings to put things into perspective. How can you actually continue to argue about EMF's when you are sitting in front of a computer that is emitting more EMF's than the highest point disclosed to you on any of the sites!!! The point is the EMF argument is ridiculous unless you plan to move to a tepee out in the middle of no where!! |
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Post by wvhsparent on Mar 16, 2008 9:43:47 GMT -6
Post an Environ EMF reading report for BB and Macom, then compare to MWGEN. Let that be a fair comparison criteria along with the others I pointed out. OK see if you can get N-group to hire Environ to perform the tests, and be sure to post the results. |
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Post by WeBe204 on Mar 16, 2008 9:44:18 GMT -6
Brad, no TG bashing, NSFOC bashing. This is where it all started and everyone knows it. It is hard to give credibility to a group that lives among the very hazards they claim to be against in the Eola site. Ok, I know some people who don't live there have concerns, I know, I know. This is where it started. This is why I give no credibility to this group of hypocrites. I think bashing needs to stop. Issue dicussion is great.. I am reposting something I said middle of the week.. I had a rather spirited conversation last night with someone who worked (past tense) in the board offices for many years . (Yes, its official I need a life.) We went around and around the same list of talking points. One point that was reinforced was the district does not operate like a corporation. When I apply my logic such as being risk adverse in this case (lawsuit) adverse the analysis fails. The district is bound by a different set of rules and operating principles. I'll admit I still have not really got an handle on these rules or opertaing principles. Their point was if you assume for a moment, that the administration and board are truly acting in good faith and they truly believe the current site is the right site, then the execution speed is heroic. Now, I know there are plenty of people out there who think the board/admin has side agendas or they are acting without all the information or worse disregarding certain information. If that is true, then it’s within the public’s right to sue the district. Actually there was really no emotion on the other side of conversation about the lawsuit. Again their point was lawsuits against the district are not unique. Parents will take legal action when they think their child is not receiving the proper education or if they think their child’s first amendment rights were violated. Net, net it is what it is. This conversation gave me a different perspective. If you assume the admin/board are operating above board and doing what they think is right and also assume the nsfoc group also is operating in a manner they believe is right then what we have here is a difference of opinion. That difference is following its natural course which is a lawsuit. You also need to expand this assumption model to include the nsfocfraud group and assume they are also operating in a way that they feel is right. (Yes, I have left myseilf wide open for the standard assume one liners) The reason I am posting this is because thinking this way has helped take a lot of the emotion out of the conversation for me. For some it will be complete bs and maybe for others it will help. At this point, I have no idea… |
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Post by concerned2 on Mar 16, 2008 9:47:31 GMT -6
Sushi, your name calling never stops.
My EE husband said that voltage from the TG station are not the same as the voltage on the Eola site. I showed my husband the pictures of the site and we have driven to the site and he stated he would never send his children there. It is an industrial area, not a place where a school should be built.
Just to add I have not contributed to the lawsuit. Do I think the SB has made a ton of mistakes, YES!!! If they had been more truthful we would not be in this situation. When they lie about the most basic of info then how are we to trust they are doing due dillengence on this site.
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Post by wvhsparent on Mar 16, 2008 9:47:55 GMT -6
How many of your TG kids spend the majority of their day at the pool in the summer....during the times of peak demand...right next to the switching station and right next to the power lines?
That's what I call being a hypocrite.....
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Post by concerned2 on Mar 16, 2008 9:50:18 GMT -6
Fence, you are right on. If there are no issues and if the SB would listen to the public and hire a 3rd party and disclose the info we all can be assured that our 150mil school will be safe and serve the district for years!!!
How hard would that be to do. It would be soooo refreshing!!!
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Post by Arch on Mar 16, 2008 9:56:43 GMT -6
Did you raise these points regarding the Site Selection report in 2006 to Metzger and the board? The peaker plant was still in operation in 2006 - that is the reason that site wasn't an option. That parcel was not available for sale. I didn't have a preference on site and did not take EMF readings as I disclosed until January 21st which for some reason Macy finds to be suspect - of what I don't know. that was the first time EMF's ever came up and again not worried about EMF's - I'm sure how collecting data to show EMF's are everywhere is suspect. It was not to show one was worse than the other just simply that we are fighting a losing battle on EMF's if you use power - end of sentence. It actually doesn't argue either point - just nullifies it as arch pointed out. Your data is incorrect on the peaker plant operation. In Sep 2004 MWGEN began to study the future feasibility to operate it (and its other 'peaking' locations around the Chicagoland area) competitively and subsequently officially decommissioned it in Dec 2004. Google for their SEC filings. You'll find it. |
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Post by Arch on Mar 16, 2008 9:59:42 GMT -6
Post an Environ EMF reading report for BB and Macom, then compare to MWGEN. Let that be a fair comparison criteria along with the others I pointed out. OK see if you can get N-group to hire Environ to perform the tests, and be sure to post the results. I have a different one waiting in the wings. Their request back in Early Feb was for the current Phase1 and Phase 2 data as a starting point. *crickets* |
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Post by fence on Mar 16, 2008 10:00:18 GMT -6
Brad, I am totally in agreement with you. There is ultimately no resolution, because people all want their own way. And this is not exclusive to one "side" or the other. That is why people would be best served to concede difference of opinion, and not be distracted by this noise. It is best in my experience to just figure out what is important to ourselves and us as a district, and then try to focus on that. There are good examples of this on this board, but unfortunately alot of bad ones. They are hammers, and to them, everything's a nail. Brad, no TG bashing, NSFOC bashing. This is where it all started and everyone knows it. It is hard to give credibility to a group that lives among the very hazards they claim to be against in the Eola site. Ok, I know some people who don't live there have concerns, I know, I know. This is where it started. This is why I give no credibility to this group of hypocrites. I think bashing needs to stop. Issue dicussion is great.. I am reposting something I said middle of the week.. I had a rather spirited conversation last night with someone who worked (past tense) in the board offices for many years . (Yes, its official I need a life.) We went around and around the same list of talking points. One point that was reinforced was the district does not operate like a corporation. When I apply my logic such as being risk adverse in this case (lawsuit) adverse the analysis fails. The district is bound by a different set of rules and operating principles. I'll admit I still have not really got an handle on these rules or opertaing principles. Their point was if you assume for a moment, that the administration and board are truly acting in good faith and they truly believe the current site is the right site, then the execution speed is heroic. Now, I know there are plenty of people out there who think the board/admin has side agendas or they are acting without all the information or worse disregarding certain information. If that is true, then it’s within the public’s right to sue the district. Actually there was really no emotion on the other side of conversation about the lawsuit. Again their point was lawsuits against the district are not unique. Parents will take legal action when they think their child is not receiving the proper education or if they think their child’s first amendment rights were violated. Net, net it is what it is. This conversation gave me a different perspective. If you assume the admin/board are operating above board and doing what they think is right and also assume the nsfoc group also is operating in a manner they believe is right then what we have here is a difference of opinion. That difference is following its natural course which is a lawsuit. You also need to expand this assumption model to include the nsfocfraud group and assume they are also operating in a way that they feel is right. (Yes, I have left myseilf wide open for the standard assume one liners) The reason I am posting this is because thinking this way has helped take a lot of the emotion out of the conversation for me. For some it will be complete bs and maybe for others it will help. At this point, I have no idea… |
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Post by sushi on Mar 16, 2008 10:04:08 GMT -6
I think an independent study would have been more satisfying for the majority.
By the way, the home pictured is not the attorneys' it is Todd Andrews, the plaintiff-in-command.
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Post by Arch on Mar 16, 2008 10:06:28 GMT -6
How many of your TG kids spend the majority of their day at the pool in the summer....during the times of peak demand...right next to the switching station and right next to the power lines? That's what I call being a hypocrite..... Per your earlier suggestion: Why don't you convince the fraud group to go there this summer and wait by the gate and survey each kid that comes by and ask if mommy or daddy is backing the lawsuit. Be sure to Post your results because it's important for a 3rd HS land purchase.  |
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Post by Arch on Mar 16, 2008 10:11:03 GMT -6
I think an independent study would have been more satisfying for the majority. This entire project should have been handed off to a professional construction consulting and management firm that takes care of getting the best in the business at every step along the way. That is their job and they do it well because they have the connections, resources and vast experience all over the area and this is what they do all the time. |
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Post by concerned2 on Mar 16, 2008 10:11:42 GMT -6
Fence again you are right on!!! We really need more of this kind of thinking to get through this. I truely wish we could see this from our leadership. I am tired of the divide and conquer approach.
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