NSFOC meeting 3-25 VFW 908 Jackson 7p

[rural]

Truly, what's the point?

There are some people with entirely too much time on their hands.

[fryfox]

I was at the meeting and someone asked if they knew who the leaders of NSFOC fraud were and those speaking (not Todd Andrews) were pretty impressive because they said it really didn't matter who the people were and that we would just respond to their arguments when and if they had some good ones. They're not on a witch hunt like others have been against the NSFOC.

[fryfox]

scarbroughknight said:

We will hear about it soon enough. Since I wasn't there I wonder if any of the so called leaders of NSFOC crawled out of their holes instead of having a stooge like Andrews lake the hits. Why do people donate to them when the movers and shakers hide like rats in the celler. Then again alot of what goes on in this SD has never made any sense.

If you're really so interested, why don't you come to a meeting - you would see who the people are that are running the meeting, you can tell who is involved, etc. You might actually see that their position makes a lot of sense. I know, I know, it's easier to just tow the party line.

[rural]

fryfox said:

If you're really so interested, why don't you come to a meeting - you would see who the people are that are running the meeting, you can tell who is involved, etc. You might actually see that their position makes a lot of sense. I know, I know, it's easier to just tow the party line.

Now, I won't go to a meeting for the same reason I won't sign up for n-fraud. I do not want my presence to be counted as an in-support-of number. How many people were there last night in support of the suit or just out of curiosity? You can't separate that number any better than you can who is from Fry, WE, Watts or anywhere else for that matter.

But those are the numbers that will be touted as their support.

[d204mom]

rural said:

Truly, what's the point?

There's a war going on, haven't you heard?

GOOD vs. EVIL! C'mon! Pick sides! It's fun!

[fryfox]

I don't think anyone was keeping track of numbers and I agree it's hard to separate, but in the end, does it really matter? The lawsuit has been filed no matter what. If they have enough people donating to make it a go, that's all it takes.

They really emphasized that they are a grass roots organization and their goals beyond the lawsuit are legislative reform of the whole process - that's something that I really like - a set of checks and balances to make the elected officials and SD more accountable.

[Arch]

snerdley said:

doctorwho said:

How would the press not be invited ? It was a public meeting -- they were too busy covering that riveting annexation meeting - you know just in case the rubber stamp fell apart before it hit the paper.

maybe the nsfocfraud team will report on it since their leader was there and asking questions.

Of course from what I have head, they'll have to check their list of license plate numbers to see how many are from outside of WE and TG.

How can they check license plate information?

Would they have to have someone in law enforcement do that?

Is that unlawful or unethical? I would think you could only check license plate ownership if you had a legitimate reason for doing so. Satisfying their curiosity (or calling people out which seems more likely) wouldn't seem legitimate.

Hmmm...

Legally, I believe it should cost about $20 each at the DMV and the DMV should send the owner a notice that someone looked it up (not sure if they are required to disclose who looked it up).

Using other access to do this should be, in most cases, an abuse of access from wherever they do it from (job) and can and should result in disciplinary action and opens one's self up to lawsuits for abuse of power. It is my understanding that the LEADS system tracks who looks up who. From a system perspective, they would be stupid not to track those basic access things.

The fact that this topic even has come up or needs to be visited is an indicator that many in the extreme evangelical corners of the camps may not be playing with a proper full deck and may be too emotionally involved to make proper judgments.

[doctorwho]

rural said:

fryfox said:

If you're really so interested, why don't you come to a meeting - you would see who the people are that are running the meeting, you can tell who is involved, etc. You might actually see that their position makes a lot of sense. I know, I know, it's easier to just tow the party line.

Now, I won't go to a meeting for the same reason I won't sign up for n-fraud. I do not want my presence to be counted as an in-support-of number. How many people were there last night in support of the suit or just out of curiosity? You can't separate that number any better than you can who is from Fry, WE, Watts or anywhere else for that matter.

But those are the numbers that will be touted as their support.

to paraphrase your previous response - truly who cares ?

you get 'bukceted' every day. Even here- if you live in Naperville you are associated by some as snobbish, if you drive a certain type of car you get categorized - BMW/Mercedes - again snob, Japanese car ( anti American / anti -union) - old car - you must be poor ( instead of someone who watches their money /

shop Target or Wal Mart - oh man - quite a separation there . What type of beer do you drink ? do you drink at all ?

It goes on and on every day of your life.... someone is categorizing you................my response is - let them... sometimes they may be right, sometimes they may be wrong, but truly they're going to do it anyway...

I get it all the time with this stuff

I am listening to nsfoc so I am a TG/WE resident who does not want to go to WVHS. And I am anti 3rd HS. It's simple- look at some of the posts on the blogs - they have me dead to rights don't they ? If I was assigned to WVHS, I'd be perfectly fine with AME-MWGEN - why ? Because these people KNOW - that's why !

I alays look at it as people who really know me know why I stand where I do -- as for the others I really give a rats behind, so let them put me anywhere they like.

I was at the meeting last night to hear some things first hand - if that makes me a bad person - so be it. I am anti AME-MWGEN site regardless of where mya rea is assigned - again, if this makes me bad fine - but to connect the dots to anti 3rd HS would only show how little the person would actually know.

I'd rather be accused of being this or that, than actually associate with anyone who thinks researching who is at this meeting or that is somehow important. Those are the truly small minds IMHO.

[rural]

doctorwho said:

to paraphrase your previous response - truly who cares ?

you get 'bukceted' every day. Even here- if you live in Naperville you are associated by some as snobbish, if you drive a certain type of car you get categorized - BMW/Mercedes - again snob, Japanese car ( anti American / anti -union) - old car - you must be poor ( instead of someone who watches their money /

shop Target or Wal Mart - oh man - quite a separation there . What type of beer do you drink ? do you drink at all ?

It goes on and on every day of your life.... someone is categorizing you................my response is - let them... sometimes they may be right, sometimes they may be wrong, but truly they're going to do it anyway...

I get it all the time with this stuff

I am listening to nsfoc so I am a TG/WE resident who does not want to go to WVHS. And I am anti 3rd HS. It's simple- look at some of the posts on the blogs - they have me dead to rights don't they ? If I was assigned to WVHS, I'd be perfectly fine with AME-MWGEN - why ? Because these people KNOW - that's why !

I alays look at it as people who really know me know why I stand where I do -- as for the others I really give a rats behind, so let them put me anywhere they like.

I was at the meeting last night to hear some things first hand - if that makes me a bad person - so be it. I am anti AME-MWGEN site regardless of where mya rea is assigned - again, if this makes me bad fine - but to connect the dots to anti 3rd HS would only show how little the person would actually know.

I'd rather be accused of being this or that, than actually associate with anyone who thinks researching who is at this meeting or that is somehow important. Those are the truly small minds IMHO.

I suppose you're right about being lumped in anyway. The spin going on all over this district is enough to make the sale of Dramamine shoot through the roof at the local drug stores.

[cornholio]

doctorwho said:

rural said:

I haven't checked the site in a while, nsfoc is now accepting installment payments.

So, no news coverage of the meeting last night. I guess the press weren't invited or is the article coming tomorrow?

How would the press not be invited ? It was a public meeting -- they were too busy covering that riveting annexation meeting - you know just in case the rubber stamp fell apart before it hit the paper.

maybe the nsfocfraud team will report on it since their leader was there and asking questions.

Of course from what I have head, they'll have to check their list of license plate numbers to see how many are from outside of WE and TG.

I love how they nsfocFRUAD people are trying to figure out who is involved with NSFOC instead of arguing the true issues.

Why don't they talk about the real issues? Is it because they don't have a leg to stand on? NSFOC people came out and showed their faces. Now we need the same of the Fraud people.

Anyone know who is behind nsfocfraud.com? I heard a rumor his name is Chad M (I'll hold off on the last name until I get it confirmed). According to the phonebook, he's from Brookdale. Again, this is just a rumor.....so far.....

If the fraud people want to call out which subdivision everyone is from, why don't they start and tell us where their organizers live?

[sleeplessinnpvl]

It's only natural to do this to the n-group. I feel there are so many people in that group with different agendas. It seems like there are boundary people, environmental people, SB-haters, and people that want the third high school squashed-am I missing anyone? So a lot of people lump them into one category, which is wrong.

[WeBe204]

sleeplessinnpvl said:

It's only natural to do this to the n-group. I feel there are so many people in that group with different agendas. It seems like there are boundary people, environmental people, SB-haters, and people that want the third high school squashed-am I missing anyone? So a lot of people lump them into one category, which is wrong.

I assume you are talking about both n-groups.

Edit - I say that because niether side is pure. What if I identify a person in NSFOCFraud who voted no on the ref. What would that say? What would their intentions be? I am curious.

[sleeplessinnpvl]

brad204 said:

sleeplessinnpvl said:

It's only natural to do this to the n-group. I feel there are so many people in that group with different agendas. It seems like there are boundary people, environmental people, SB-haters, and people that want the third high school squashed-am I missing anyone? So a lot of people lump them into one category, which is wrong.

I assume you are talking about both n-groups.

I just don't know that much about the other n-fraud group to make a judgement on them yet. But sure, they could all have different agendas too.

Edit: Why would someone who voted no to the ref want to be in the n-fraud group?

[WeBe204]

sleeplessinnpvl said:

brad204 said:

I assume you are talking about both n-groups.

I just don't know that much about the other n-fraud group to make a judgement on them yet. But sure, they could all have different agendas too.

Edit: Why would someone who voted no to the ref want to be in the n-fraud group?

Location and boundaries my friend Just because NSFOCFraud seems to be on the side of the SB do not assume they are all good intentioned.

I would love to see that as an op ed. The many reasons for NSFOCFraud. Unlikely I am sure...

[casey]

sleeplessinnpvl said:

It's only natural to do this to the n-group. I feel there are so many people in that group with different agendas. It seems like there are boundary people, environmental people, SB-haters, and people that want the third high school squashed-am I missing anyone?

Yes, you are missing someone. The people that just refuse to sit back and allow our SB to make poor decisions with no consequences. The people that are calling out to the SB and demanding information and honesty. Why do you believe that everyone in the n-group has a different agenda? Can't you just recognize that there are many who feel the Eola site is just completely wrong for the whole district due to environmental, financial, transportation/transit issues, etc.? That doesn't give us a hidden agenda.

Don't fool yourself to thinking that a school at Eola won't effect the entire district down the road - whether it be abandoning it for health reasons, closing WV, future litigation costs, higher transportation costs, etc. This decision will effect our school district forever!