Disappointment - Cont'd Part3

[fryfox]

I feel totally disrespected by the board, like you momof156. I thought our neighborhood brought up a lot of really impactful points and data and the board didn't even discuss alternatives for us. Yet Owen, with about 120 HS students at any one time, got a 1/2 hour plus of discussion. They couldn't even take the time to address, discuss or rebuff our comments.

Great data about the bridge and it's support by the city, state and Park District. Not one comment. Not one comment about the infamous memo full of misinformation.

Not one comment about the bait and switch and the promises MM made.

A room full of people who were polite and patient and barely lipservice.

Additionally, they didn't even address Watts or Cowlishaw and their situations.

This process has been so poor in its complete lack of due diligence. IT's really unbelievable.

[fryfox]

I have to self-correct: Chris Vickers did talk about the bait and switch only to say it was our fault for voting for it. Translation: It was our fault for trusting our board to stand firm on their promises. It was our fault to think these people had integrity or enough self-respect to follow through on their word. My bad.

[bob]

I don't understand the Bait and Switch theory.

In order to pull it off, the jury, BB, AME, the SB, The Admin, the judge, BB lawyers, and the Illinois Senate would all have to be in on it.

[fryfox]

Mark Metzger stood at our PTA meeting weeks before the referendum vote and stated that they would get the land, no matter what. They could handle the jury's price. We questioned them pretty intently because we were doubtful, but he was insistent.

[Arch]

fryfox said:

Mark Metzger stood at our PTA meeting weeks before the referendum vote and stated that they would get the land, no matter what. They could handle the jury's price. We questioned them pretty intently because we were doubtful, but he was insistent.

If this is not bait/switch then it's arrogant incompetence.

[bob]

fryfox said:

Mark Metzger stood at our PTA meeting weeks before the referendum vote and stated that they would get the land, no matter what. They could handle the jury's price. We questioned them pretty intently because we were doubtful, but he was insistent.

The referendum vote was 18 months before the jury price was known.

[hmmm]

archwinsome said:

fryfox said:

Mark Metzger stood at our PTA meeting weeks before the referendum vote and stated that they would get the land, no matter what. They could handle the jury's price. We questioned them pretty intently because we were doubtful, but he was insistent.

If this is not bait/switch then it's arrogant incompetence.

Yep, but people keep voting for him.

Keep drinking that kool aid folks. ;D

[Arch]

bob said:

fryfox said:

Mark Metzger stood at our PTA meeting weeks before the referendum vote and stated that they would get the land, no matter what. They could handle the jury's price. We questioned them pretty intently because we were doubtful, but he was insistent.

The referendum vote was 18 months before the jury price was know.

Remember,


Metzger said he isn't worried about getting locked into whatever price the jury sets.

"I don't believe there's much risk of it being an out-of-control number in the first place," he said. "Our data is better than their data. Even if it's the worst case scenario, we can afford it so it doesn't matter."

Source: www.studentsfirst.us/news/contentview.asp?c=197819

[Arch]

Now they claim their data on the MWGEN site says it's safe.

Who feels like gambling again with their data?

Are people willing to take the downside if they are wrong again?

[kmjone]

lacy said:

bob said:

Unfortunately, that person proved Dr D's point.

So you're saying that because one person says something, they can paint an entire area.

And treat them differently?

It seems that's the gig - label an entire subdivision as outcasts and then treat them in a manner inconsistent with other areas. Then say it was justified because one person said or did something.

We all know this is complete BS - we've seen and heard comments from many people over the last few years that were disrespectful or politically incorrect - it certainly hasn't been limited to one area - but this is the strategy to deal with TG IMO.

I wonder if that's legal? What about the first amendment?

A few people certainly don't represent an entire community. Unfortunately, some of the publicly vocal, whether its at a board meeting or on a blog (Naperville Potluck), don't help that perception in some others. In the world PERCEIVED = REAL. IMO, that's true of all types of relationships. Reputation is a delicate thing. Careless comments from a few can ruin it for many. I think some of these comments need to be directed at those few as well as those who have been disrespectful.

[kmjone]

doctorwho said:

kimmie said:

Everyone is new at one time or another. Waubonsee is fine for TG; the biggest problem it is not what we were told that would happend. It was the new high school at BB. Than it was hey we don't have BB here is what you get a school miles from your home when you are across the street from the one you go to now. our kids are active; in before school stuff as well as after school sports. Driving a mile is alot quicker than driving 5 to drop off/pick up them. We moved to TG because we are close to NV.

Yep I understand -- look at Watts parents -- last night they were effectively shut out of volunteering to help at HS during the week and many will not see their kids perform if they play in early games -- thank you SB & ADMIN

An extra 20-30 mins each way in rush hour at the end of the work day make that kind of difference - but I know they don't care anyway.
They desparately wanted a northern school- and that's what they will have -

Can't believe May Watts was totally ignored last night. I've driven down Ogden and Raymond at rush hour. Traffic is horrific. I can only imagine the commute to and from MV. Probably lots of stops at Thornton's to fill up. Not only time, but gas expense.

[researching]

Okay, someone tell me how the Fry area should feel after everything that has occurred? Should we be happy about the BLATANT disrespect we are continually shown by this Administration and SB? Just put your communities in our position.

BTW- Tall Grass alone has about 1200 home sites and that doesn't include Penncross Knolls, the Signature Club or the Townhouses at Tall Grass. That is a huge amount of ticked off people. To fixate on the comments of one frustrated individual futher demonstrates why we are furious.

[wolverine]

fryfox said:

I have to self-correct: Chris Vickers did talk about the bait and switch only to say it was our fault for voting for it. Translation: It was our fault for trusting our board to stand firm on their promises. It was our fault to think these people had integrity or enough self-respect to follow through on their word. My bad.

I share your disappointment. For years I have been a big supporter of the admin and SB through work in the PTA, for referendums, and for the re-election of certain SB members. For years I have placed my trust and faith in them, that they would do the right thing.

Last nights actions completely shattered that. Am I ticked about Watts? Yeah, but I'm also angry about all the other areas that got shafted. When there's that kind of widespread anger among your constituents, something is terribly wrong.

Unfortunately, I will never trust another word coming out of the SB or Admin again. For me, that's a bitter pill to swallow.

[WeBe204]

lacy said:

concerned said:

One guy out of at least 70 speakers spoke in that manner and he was booed and the next speaker spoke said that is not how we feel.

One guy doesn't represent everyone. That's just old spin.

And predictable.

Plus, Dr. D's use of the word entitlement came at the very beginning of the night. The guy you're referring to was closer to the end.

I knew though that some people would try to use his words against the whole neighborhood.

It really doesn't matter - I think most people get the game.

IMO, the FRY group was well organized and gave some excellent view points. I absolutely did not assume that the one person who went completely off the reservation was represenating a FRY community viewpoint.

I was very calm when I went to the meeting, but I will be honest and say I brissled when the entitlement comment was made. I am not trying to make some major point here other than to say I think it was said out of emotion and was not a good way to set the tone for the meeting.

[204family]

archwinsome said:

Now they claim their data on the MWGEN site says it's safe.

Who feels like gambling again with their data?

Are people willing to take the downside if they are wrong again?

Lastnight it really hit home for me that we don't really know what's in that soil. Even if they clean it up...make their claims. For every kid that gets sick, their parents are always going to wonder. I know I would. You always want to know why this happened to your kid. It's really opening us up for some serious litigation.