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Post by Arch on Apr 10, 2008 22:10:34 GMT -6
Let's get out on the table the negatives about any other locations out there and start a realistic scorecard.
Nothing formal, just start tossing them out and the hazards of each and let's start identifying them.
I'll start w/ Macom:
RR Tracks
Pipelines
HV lines to the south
Realistically, RR tracks about the same or further distance than at Eola, just the opposite side (West of school instead of east). BB=0
Pipelines are 1000 feet away from any building location and are only out by the tracks. 0 through the property itself. BB=0. Eola has 2-36" and 1-20" pipeline 220 feet from the building itself.
HV lines run to the south on one side of the property, not 2 like at Eola. BB=0 or 1 set out by 75th which are not the larger voltage ones but we can count them as a hazard if we want to.
what else?
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Post by proschool on Apr 10, 2008 22:16:20 GMT -6
More Macom drawbacks:
Won't be finished on time.
Away from population center.
My Favorite site is Calvary Church. It has all the advantages of BB except that there are 40 less acres. It's closer to walkers.
Another possibility is buying the near completed HS from Plainfield district.
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Post by 3woodgal on Apr 10, 2008 22:17:25 GMT -6
I don't see doors opening for years to come. We can't even get it together to select and be able to keep a site. Pathetic.
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Post by Arch on Apr 10, 2008 22:24:40 GMT -6
I can appreciate the pessimistic POV, believe me, but let's please keep this thread to sites and hazards as much as possible.
Pro-- I like Calvary too. I see it as being virtually identical in hazards (or lack thereof) as BB and even more set-back from the powerlines on 75th. What else is bad about it?
After re-checking the pipeline mapping system, I would have to personally disqualify Plainfield East. The gasoline and crude pipelines run along 119th street. I should have checked that first before suggesting it, but there they are.
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Post by 3woodgal on Apr 10, 2008 22:27:38 GMT -6
I can appreciate the pessimistic POV, believe me, but let's please keep this thread to sites and hazards as much as possible. Pro-- I like Calvary too. I see it as being virtually identical in hazards (or lack thereof) as BB and even more set-back from the powerlines on 75th. What else is bad about it? Good point. I apologize. Just soooooooooo frustrated. |
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Post by Avenging Eagle on Apr 10, 2008 22:28:55 GMT -6
I can appreciate the pessimistic POV, believe me, but let's please keep this thread to sites and hazards as much as possible. Pro-- I like Calvary too. I see it as being virtually identical in hazards (or lack thereof) as BB and even more set-back from the powerlines on 75th. What else is bad about it? The most obvious negative of any non-BB site is having to pay the damages and legal fees. If we go to BB, both BB lawsuits are dropped and they will waive the legal fees. Having to pay those legal fees and damages are a big hazard to our district which will result in cancellations of programs and school amenities. |
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Post by proschool on Apr 10, 2008 22:31:17 GMT -6
I can appreciate the pessimistic POV, believe me, but let's please keep this thread to sites and hazards as much as possible. Pro-- I like Calvary too. I see it as being virtually identical in hazards (or lack thereof) as BB and even more set-back from the powerlines on 75th. What else is bad about it? It's 15 acres too little. The residents at Stonehaven might have objections to the traffic but there are things that can be done. Calvary wanted to use the land as an ampitheater but neighbors objected. If the school goes in Calvary could borrow the stadium for musical events. I think they will sell because they have no plans for the land. There are no power lines on 75th. |
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Post by Arch on Apr 10, 2008 22:32:02 GMT -6
I added this above after people already replied so I thought I should make it its own post:
After re-checking the pipeline mapping system, I would have to personally disqualify Plainfield East. The gasoline and crude pipelines run along 119th street. I should have checked that first before suggesting it, but there they are.
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Post by Arch on Apr 10, 2008 22:33:40 GMT -6
I can appreciate the pessimistic POV, believe me, but let's please keep this thread to sites and hazards as much as possible. Pro-- I like Calvary too. I see it as being virtually identical in hazards (or lack thereof) as BB and even more set-back from the powerlines on 75th. What else is bad about it? Good point. I apologize. Just soooooooooo frustrated. Not a problem. We all are frustrated... Just trying to get something productive going in parallel, that's all... |
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Post by proschool on Apr 10, 2008 22:38:41 GMT -6
I can appreciate the pessimistic POV, believe me, but let's please keep this thread to sites and hazards as much as possible. Pro-- I like Calvary too. I see it as being virtually identical in hazards (or lack thereof) as BB and even more set-back from the powerlines on 75th. What else is bad about it? The most obvious negative of any non-BB site is having to pay the damages and legal fees. If we go to BB, both BB lawsuits are dropped and they will waive the legal fees. Having to pay those legal fees and damages are a big hazard to our district which will result in cancellations of programs and school amenities. But will the BB take another offer if it works out for them. If BB wants to keep anything they want to keep land that abutts 75th Street. That land has commercail value (especailly if a school is there) and it gives access of the Route 59 1/2 of their property to the street light that will be at 75th and Commons. Calvary could be a win for everybody. |
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Post by concerned2 on Apr 10, 2008 22:41:45 GMT -6
Even though I was never a big fan of BB, I think that is where the school should be built. I know the cost is high, but it seems like it would be the fair site for the north and south. I also believe it is the safest site available.
Yes, those gas lines run down 119th st. I never noticed the Morgan Kinder signs until all this mess began.
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Post by eb204 on Apr 10, 2008 23:19:29 GMT -6
Good, productive topic to start.
Calvery might work if the price is right. However, traffic there would be a nightmare unless there is an alternative entrance from Commons like there would have been at BB. Police are there every Saturday night and Sunday mornings to direct traffic in/out of the church parking lot. Also, traffic backs up past Frontenac on Montgomery(83rd St) on a good day/night, not including church services. I can only imagine the traffic problems for a football game or other event if an alternate entrance/exit is not planned. Walkers might be identified from 3 subdivisions, possibly 4 with White Eagle and also the town houses on Commons. Maybe too small in acreage...not sure on that one.
I'm curious...Calvery was never considered before. Why would it be considered now?
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Post by steckdad on Apr 11, 2008 9:40:10 GMT -6
ARCH.....sorry for the threadjack, but if the schoolboard buys out AME, eola is still a possibility? and can they build out of the danger zone of the pipelines?
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Post by Arch on Apr 11, 2008 9:44:21 GMT -6
ARCH.....sorry for the threadjack, but if the schoolboard buys out AME, eola is still a possibility? and can they build out of the danger zone of the pipelines? Because they have a 650-700 foot radius, you CAN NOT get the building or the kids OUTSIDE that stand-off distance. If they buy out the land they will be sitting with land they can not use for a HS. |
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Post by slp on Apr 11, 2008 9:51:21 GMT -6
ARCH.....sorry for the threadjack, but if the schoolboard buys out AME, eola is still a possibility? and can they build out of the danger zone of the pipelines? Because they have a 650-700 foot radius, you CAN NOT get the building or the kids OUTSIDE that stand-off distance. If they buy out the land they will be sitting with land they can not use for a HS. not to mention building a high school next to land which has contaminants which will NOT be remediated. Are there any guarantees of what Midwest Gen will do their land? Who will they sell it to? Some kind of industrial company? Is that what we want next to a high school? The problem is worse IMO. |
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