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Post by fryfox on Apr 13, 2008 22:18:34 GMT -6
"If you hear your fearless leaders saying things like "ninkompoop" and "fence that baby off"...you might be a District 204 Resident"
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Post by Avenging Eagle on Apr 13, 2008 22:45:20 GMT -6
"If you orchestrate a under the table deal to steal a principal for your new school and then the school moves away from you and you get sent back to the original school that lost the principal .........you might be a District 204 Resident"
"If you find yourself subscribing to "Soldier of Fortune" magazine to find the latest and greatest night vision goggles so that you can see and record license plate numbers after nighttime NSFOC meetings......you might be a District 204 Resident"
"If you conduct witch hunts against your fellow residents .........you might be a District 204 Resident or a citizen of Salem, Mass in the 1800s"
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Post by doctorwho on Apr 13, 2008 23:25:48 GMT -6
I have never banned anyone from this site for anything- but the slanderous crap that is being spewed is not going to be thrown at me -- If I do not get an apology for being absolutely wrong on anything I have said about Hill or WVHS -- This will the the first banning, I will not have you slandering this site or a moderator or me. and if your accusation shows up on the green board- I am sure the same responses will be printed there...not everyone thinks as poorly of me as you do. here is the link for my responses ( which I didn't even remember ) hillmom -- tell me again I jumped on the anti-Hill badwagon. I support Hill every step I get, and I do so without throwing mud at others in the district. I love Hill and WVHS and fo you to suggest otherwise it BS - plain and simple- and I won't stand for it. I put these responses out there for the entire board to read. We hide nothing here, Hell I didn't even remember Stinks - but I admit I had heard about them, I believe they were a regular on this board long before I joined- they must have dropped back for a few in Jan 2006 - and I corrected their opinion- did I not ? read these responses and tell me again .... ipsd204.proboards76.com/v45index.cgi?board=ame&action=display&thread=706&page=29 Next time do your d**n homework first.... Re: Where is the new HS going? « Reply #426 on Jan 16, 2008, 4:58pm Okay, I am a 20 year resident of Watts and had a 1 1999 Hill graduate and I have an 8th grader - and there has not been any incident of consequence like you speak of while either was there, so I think you have either a 1 time incident - or a fabrication. So things are far from as you portray them as I view Hill as the finest MS in the district.This is the kind of crapola that gets spread that causes much of the issue this district has -- and it's always someone who told someone - never first hand response 2 « Reply #430 on Jan 16, 2008, 5:06pm » I won't disagree that some balance could help booster clubs - etc -- but let's not drag down a school with 2nd hand info from 10 years ago -- even if they had one incident 10 years ago - that is 1. There has been nothing the last 9 that I am aware of, in fact the kids there should be a model of how to get along. it's this stereotypical crapola that perpetuates issues. I hear rumors today of exactly the same incidents supposedly happening that were told me me 10 years ago except the names are changed- their called urban myths. There was no need to enter that into the conversation to get a different point across.
just want to make sure there is continuity since this was posted under the thread where it startedipsd204.proboards76.com/v45index.cgi?board=news&action=display&thread=1651&page=13Doctorwho - you have my apology just also found your comment and removed your info from mine. I'm sorry for the error. One thing I must say is that there have been many ommissions from my comment to the press - like the fact that I thought there was a very small group that were elitists and racist and that this was their motivation. Also that I was upset that whole neighborhoods were getting labeled ie: WE & TG and that the labeling needed to stop. I never said ritzy homes. And for those that have posted that I can't afford a larger home - is it so unbelievable that maybe I like my neighborhood and don't need or want a bigger home or to move further south. Why did you immediately have to say I can't afford one. What I love is that you will let a cut and paste quote determine who I am and that for those that know me or know my face not a direct call or comment to even verify was that really what happened or was said. When did the Naperville Sun become the pillar of the community on truth - if we believed everything we read! |
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Post by sashimi on Apr 14, 2008 9:27:48 GMT -6
Hillside MOM:
I hope that you will be there this evening. I truly would like to spend a few moments with you out of the limelight to say hello and introduce myself (I imagine that to both of our surprise, we may at the very least actually end up not disliking each other).
I am sure that you are a wonderful, involved person who, like many of us on the other side of the aisle, are very much caught up in the passion of this issue.
Although I strongly do not agree, I can at least understand the perception that "elitism" is involved in some of the actions that have taken place in the last few weeks. However, I can not see (no matter how far I stretch my imagination) what has happened that would lead to you be calling people who disagree with your thoughts or the District's actions (and building of the new school at the EOLA site) as racists.
I am not jumping up and down demanding an apology, but would truly like to know how you have come to the conclusion that racism is at all involved. It is clear that when the school was to be built in the South, the North was up in arms. When the school has been proposed to be built in the North, the South was up in arms. Thus, I have no doubt that self interests have been involved in this debate for many, many years (and were in fact relected in the 2006 voting results). However the Board unfortunately played right into these self interests by hiring consultants to advise them on how these interests could best be aligned to get the referendum reversed in 2006.
As I understand it, until a couple of months ago, your community was very vocal against building the third high school (at least in a location that was so far from where you reside). Up until a few months ago, my community was very much of building the third school (as long as it was at the BB site as promised when we voted). The discord that has resulted should not be a surprise to anyone (especially the Board and Administration leaders), and I am disappointed that our 204 leaders have not done more to try to bring the community together.
I can honestly tell you that one of the Board members advised leaders from TG that they needed to represent their interests in regards to boundaries on February 19th in that the boundaries were not closed (as I hope you can understand, the idea of travelling on a 30 minute bus ride or having to drive 30 minutes in the reverse direction from where most of us drive to work was in fact concerning to many of our self interests). Thus, it was amazing to hear Dr. Daeschner start the 2/19 meeting with his entitlement comments.
Nonetheless, many of us were totally unaware of the history involved until we got involved in the boundary hearings (which is a "shame on us" revelation). Unlike yourself, I had my head in the sand and had little involvement until the announcement was made that the District was suggesting a new location for the third high school.
I can only speak for myself, but my motives are related to accountability and fiscal responsibility (and we disagree in that although I can read, I was voting on a referendum to build the third high school on BB land as was represented by the District and Mr. Metzger in numerous communications leading up to the very morning of the election).
Regardless, I am hoping that perhaps some of us can reintroduce some civility to this debate (and perhaps tonight is an opportunity to start?).
Looking forward to meeting you and best regards,
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Post by WeBe204 on Apr 14, 2008 9:55:06 GMT -6
I imagine that to both of our surprise, we may at the very least actually end up not disliking each other. Great note as always. And I strongly agree with the above line. Although, sometimes I/we slip into narrow focus that results in labeling. We are all much more than just this issue. In fact, we all probably have a lot in common as we struggle are way through the day. |
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Post by scarbroughknight on Apr 14, 2008 10:19:17 GMT -6
So it has come to this. It is amazing, this SD has brought out the worst in everyone. I was thinking of that movie Fast Times At Ridgemont High. Except in the movie the students are nuts. In 204 its the adults. I can just see Spicoli in MMs chair.
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Post by hillmom on Apr 14, 2008 10:30:58 GMT -6
Hillside MOM: I hope that you will be there this evening. I truly would like to spend a few moments with you out of the limelight to say hello and introduce myself (I imagine that to both of our surprise, we may at the very least actually end up not disliking each other). I am sure that you are a wonderful, involved person who, like many of us on the other side of the aisle, are very much caught up in the passion of this issue. Although I strongly do not agree, I can at least understand the perception that "elitism" is involved in some of the actions that have taken place in the last few weeks. However, I can not see (no matter how far I stretch my imagination) what has happened that would lead to you be calling people who disagree with your thoughts or the District's actions (and building of the new school at the EOLA site) as racists. I am not jumping up and down demanding an apology, but would truly like to know how you have come to the conclusion that racism is at all involved. It is clear that when the school was to be built in the South, the North was up in arms. When the school has been proposed to be built in the North, the South was up in arms. Thus, I have no doubt that self interests have been involved in this debate for many, many years (and were in fact relected in the 2006 voting results). However the Board unfortunately played right into these self interests by hiring consultants to advise them on how these interests could best be aligned to get the referendum reversed in 2006. As I understand it, until a couple of months ago, your community was very vocal against building the third high school (at least in a location that was so far from where you reside). Up until a few months ago, my community was very much of building the third school (as long as it was at the BB site as promised when we voted). The discord that has resulted should not be a surprise to anyone (especially the Board and Administration leaders), and I am disappointed that our 204 leaders have not done more to try to bring the community together. I can honestly tell you that one of the Board members advised leaders from TG that they needed to represent their interests in regards to boundaries on February 19th in that the boundaries were not closed (as I hope you can understand, the idea of travelling on a 30 minute bus ride or having to drive 30 minutes in the reverse direction from where most of us drive to work was in fact concerning to many of our self interests). Thus, it was amazing to hear Dr. Daeschner start the 2/19 meeting with his entitlement comments. Nonetheless, many of us were totally unaware of the history involved until we got involved in the boundary hearings (which is a "shame on us" revelation). Unlike yourself, I had my head in the sand and had little involvement until the announcement was made that the District was suggesting a new location for the third high school. I can only speak for myself, but my motives are related to accountability and fiscal responsibility (and we disagree in that although I can read, I was voting on a referendum to build the third high school on BB land as was represented by the District and Mr. Metzger in numerous communications leading up to the very morning of the election). Regardless, I am hoping that perhaps some of us can reintroduce some civility to this debate (and perhaps tonight is an opportunity to start?). Looking forward to meeting you and best regards, I would love to meet you this evening - I have had lots of tears shed ove rthe misquote in the paper. I was very very insistent to both papers that they print my defense of WE & TG and all the communities and that entire communities not be hurt - obviously this back fired when they clipped a very small portion of what I said that they thought would sell their paper. I know hind site is 20/20 but please know that my thoughts and comments were completely taken out of context. I was trying to explain many people are lumping this entire group into the group from the past and people need to know that this only represents a very small few. Do I feel like there is a motive other than environmental for some - I do but those are only the group that from way back have fought and fought to stay out of one school and have used what ever argument might make that happen. I will never be okay with that behavior and unfortunately those that are honestly concerned are being lumped in with those individuals. I have always said I support any parents right to be concerned for the health of their child and that everyone has a different level of tolerance. Again I am so sorry if I hurt you or your community - it was not my intent. Since I don't know you - please seek me out - I'm the one with the short dark hair - I'm wearing black pants and a jean type jacket. |
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Post by slp on Apr 14, 2008 10:52:11 GMT -6
hillmom
maybe we can all use this opportunity to heal some wounds and befriend people and know who they really are.
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Post by snerdley on Apr 14, 2008 11:59:59 GMT -6
hillmom maybe we can all use this opportunity to heal some wounds and befriend people and know who they really are. Well, good luck with that, Slp. These are "hillmom's" words on the green board from 4/12. I don't know if her feelings have changed since then, but she claims to know what motivates everyone. I'd like to ask what motivates her. Does she want out of WVHS?  "When are they going to Give it up! How can they actually think people believe them when they have such double standards??? They only thing that has ever been consistent is that they don't want to go to Waubonsie. They fought against quick take for BB so that Macom would be the site when it got so expensive crying their taxes were already too high - because Macom has absolutely no environmental issues - Please! Then all of the sudden Eola comes along and all their comments were don't move us out of Neuqua - not about environment! Boundaries change and suddenly the people who fought against BB become environmental experts/activists forgetting that just months before they loved a property with the same environmental blemishes and were ready to sign their kids up. Go figure the one common thing all along - no WVHS! " |
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Post by snerdley on Apr 14, 2008 12:03:11 GMT -6
Hillside MOM: I hope that you will be there this evening. I truly would like to spend a few moments with you out of the limelight to say hello and introduce myself (I imagine that to both of our surprise, we may at the very least actually end up not disliking each other). I am sure that you are a wonderful, involved person who, like many of us on the other side of the aisle, are very much caught up in the passion of this issue. Although I strongly do not agree, I can at least understand the perception that "elitism" is involved in some of the actions that have taken place in the last few weeks. However, I can not see (no matter how far I stretch my imagination) what has happened that would lead to you be calling people who disagree with your thoughts or the District's actions (and building of the new school at the EOLA site) as racists. I am not jumping up and down demanding an apology, but would truly like to know how you have come to the conclusion that racism is at all involved. It is clear that when the school was to be built in the South, the North was up in arms. When the school has been proposed to be built in the North, the South was up in arms. Thus, I have no doubt that self interests have been involved in this debate for many, many years (and were in fact relected in the 2006 voting results). However the Board unfortunately played right into these self interests by hiring consultants to advise them on how these interests could best be aligned to get the referendum reversed in 2006. As I understand it, until a couple of months ago, your community was very vocal against building the third high school (at least in a location that was so far from where you reside). Up until a few months ago, my community was very much of building the third school (as long as it was at the BB site as promised when we voted). The discord that has resulted should not be a surprise to anyone (especially the Board and Administration leaders), and I am disappointed that our 204 leaders have not done more to try to bring the community together. I can honestly tell you that one of the Board members advised leaders from TG that they needed to represent their interests in regards to boundaries on February 19th in that the boundaries were not closed (as I hope you can understand, the idea of travelling on a 30 minute bus ride or having to drive 30 minutes in the reverse direction from where most of us drive to work was in fact concerning to many of our self interests). Thus, it was amazing to hear Dr. Daeschner start the 2/19 meeting with his entitlement comments. Nonetheless, many of us were totally unaware of the history involved until we got involved in the boundary hearings (which is a "shame on us" revelation). Unlike yourself, I had my head in the sand and had little involvement until the announcement was made that the District was suggesting a new location for the third high school. I can only speak for myself, but my motives are related to accountability and fiscal responsibility (and we disagree in that although I can read, I was voting on a referendum to build the third high school on BB land as was represented by the District and Mr. Metzger in numerous communications leading up to the very morning of the election). Regardless, I am hoping that perhaps some of us can reintroduce some civility to this debate (and perhaps tonight is an opportunity to start?). Looking forward to meeting you and best regards, I would love to meet you this evening - I have had lots of tears shed ove rthe misquote in the paper. I was very very insistent to both papers that they print my defense of WE & TG and all the communities and that entire communities not be hurt - obviously this back fired when they clipped a very small portion of what I said that they thought would sell their paper. I know hind site is 20/20 but please know that my thoughts and comments were completely taken out of context. I was trying to explain many people are lumping this entire group into the group from the past and people need to know that this only represents a very small few. Do I feel like there is a motive other than environmental for some - I do but those are only the group that from way back have fought and fought to stay out of one school and have used what ever argument might make that happen. I will never be okay with that behavior and unfortunately those that are honestly concerned are being lumped in with those individuals. I have always said I support any parents right to be concerned for the health of their child and that everyone has a different level of tolerance. Again I am so sorry if I hurt you or your community - it was not my intent. Since I don't know you - please seek me out - I'm the one with the short dark hair - I'm wearing black pants and a jean type jacket. I would really like to believe that you were referring to some small group of people (whom I have never met or heard from and wonder if they even exist). But your overall comments as indicated above from 4/12 seem very negative toward a large group of people. Even minus the word "racist" the rhetoric is offensive to me. You don't know me. |
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Post by WeBe204 on Apr 14, 2008 12:36:03 GMT -6
I am going to close this thread. I am glad to see a few are going to meet up and try and find common ground.
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