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Post by doctorwho on Apr 21, 2008 14:21:24 GMT -6
Someone should offer a 'How to take standardized tests' after/before school course. It would benefit every test taken, even ACT/SATs. I'd be surprised if that inexpensive act alone didn't bounce some numbers in the right direction. they do a lot of this in class I understand the weeksprior. They did offer ( @ Hill) a 5 weeks before school session on passing the Catholic High School Entrance Exam session - my daughter said she found it to be rather good. |
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Post by Arch on Apr 21, 2008 14:25:09 GMT -6
Someone should offer a 'How to take standardized tests' after/before school course. It would benefit every test taken, even ACT/SATs. I'd be surprised if that inexpensive act alone didn't bounce some numbers in the right direction. they do a lot of this in class I understand the weeksprior. They did offer ( @ Hill) a 5 weeks before school session on passing the Catholic High School Entrance Exam session - my daughter said she found it to be rather good. They use course-instruction time for this??? |
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Post by doctorwho on Apr 21, 2008 14:30:02 GMT -6
they do a lot of this in class I understand the weeksprior. They did offer ( @ Hill) a 5 weeks before school session on passing the Catholic High School Entrance Exam session - my daughter said she found it to be rather good. They use course-instruction time for this??? not for the Catholic school test no - that started at 7 AM |
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Post by Arch on Apr 21, 2008 14:31:46 GMT -6
They use course-instruction time for this??? not for the Catholic school test no - that started at 7 AM No.. the 'how to take a standardized test' part.. They do that during normal school? The reason I suggested it as a Before/After was to not encroach on the coursework time. That way, only those that specifically want it have to go through it. |
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Post by steckmom on Apr 21, 2008 14:34:26 GMT -6
not for the Catholic school test no - that started at 7 AM No.. the 'how to take a standardized test' part.. They do that during normal school? The reason I suggested it as a Before/After was to not encroach on the coursework time. That way, only those that specifically want it have to go through it. I don't know about HS, but they did it at Steck during class time. ETA: Only for a short time the a week before the ISAT. |
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Post by specailneedsmom on Apr 21, 2008 14:53:28 GMT -6
Actually, it would be a stupid decision because it won't work. NCLB has been flawed from the get go. When you try to superimpose a template like NCLB over a district like ours it just does not work. By 2014 every school in the country could potentially fail (one of the few true statements I heard MM make) and the government agenda for funding private and charter schools will rise to the surface. If this is why the site was moved up north and the boundaries were changed the way they were, I would like to see how this argument makes sense. Also, IMO, I don't see that changes in Washington will bring about the demise of NCLB in any hurry. Nothing will probably be done for a year or two. We're too far down this road now.
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Post by doctorwho on Apr 21, 2008 15:23:19 GMT -6
Actually, it would be a stupid decision because it won't work. NCLB has been flawed from the get go. When you try to superimpose a template like NCLB over a district like ours it just does not work. By 2014 every school in the country could potentially fail (one of the few true statements I heard MM make) and the government agenda for funding private and charter schools will rise to the surface. If this is why the site was moved up north and the boundaries were changed the way they were, I would like to see how this argument makes sense. Also, IMO, I don't see that changes in Washington will bring about the demise of NCLB in any hurry. Nothing will probably be done for a year or two. We're too far down this road now. I agree on nothing changing up front as with the economy and the War, I don't think NCLB is #1 on anyones agenda. Also the assumption here is also that McCain doesn't win - not sure that is a lock either. |
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Post by snerdley on Apr 21, 2008 15:25:18 GMT -6
Actually, it would be a stupid decision because it won't work. NCLB has been flawed from the get go. When you try to superimpose a template like NCLB over a district like ours it just does not work. By 2014 every school in the country could potentially fail (one of the few true statements I heard MM make) and the government agenda for funding private and charter schools will rise to the surface. If this is why the site was moved up north and the boundaries were changed the way they were, I would like to see how this argument makes sense. Also, IMO, I don't see that changes in Washington will bring about the demise of NCLB in any hurry. Nothing will probably be done for a year or two. We're too far down this road now. I agree on nothing changing up front as with the economy and the Was, I don't think NCLB is #1 on anyones agenda. Also the assumption here is also that McCain doesn't win - not sure that is a lock either. agree - on all points. |
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Post by twhl on Apr 21, 2008 17:01:01 GMT -6
Question for all you attorneys out there. "The school board" is named on the BB and NSFOC lawsuit. If a SB member resigns between now and when the trial (or discovery) starts, does that excuse the sb member from testifying or deposition? Or can they sopena anyone they feel has relevant information? Resignation would not excuse them from the lawsuit. I'm not an attorney, but once you're named, you're named. And yes, anyone with relevant information can receive a subpoena. Not only an English teacher, but a Government one as well. Good to wear many hats to be hired these days. That includes Howie and the arhitect firm, and the company that did all the testing. Better put that sun tan lotion away HC. |
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Post by kimmie on Apr 21, 2008 17:17:33 GMT -6
For some reason I can't link anything on this blogever!?! anyways
snerdley, I agree with you NCLB isn't on the front burner, it will be a while (years) before anything changes.
There are good points and some that will never work, it is what is. But it has made acountablity that wasn't there before.
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Post by fence on Apr 21, 2008 20:17:40 GMT -6
Sleepless I know that this is just you relaying info, so just a caveat that this isn't TO you, but in response to your post.  NCLB might be tough but its what we have to meet. So I get that people don't like it, but that doesn't really matter. Other schools seem to do OK with it. We've missed AYP for 5 years at WV and that's just the facts. For the record, I don't think our issues w/ NCLB was the main driver of w/ moving from BB to AME, but I believe it IS the main driver behind why they need to make a major change by 2009. And by default then, the site change is probably related. And missing AYP going on year 6 requires major changes or else..... Get rid of principal. Check. Re-do boundaries to show restructuring. Check. Move personnel. (remember that weird rumor - a bunch of teachers will be leaving WV for MV). Check. Obviously, the approach of moving kids around to "edit" problems with scores is something we're not new to. The Young situation and weird ES satellite boundary changes even now are evidence of that. Seriously, call it a conspiracy theory if you want to, but I don't believe in this many coincidences. And then, if they will call me crazy once again, there's always the novel idea of freaking sitting down and explaining what's going on. That usually works to extinguish rumors and speculation... Just a tip for anyone listening. So again, NCLB panic the reason for leaving BB? Not entirely. NCLB panic the reason to rush a 2009 opening? Absolutely. I must say, the NCLB is a questionable project at best. Here is some interesting facts from the other board. Another thing. In Illinois, the percentage of children in a subgroup who must score either "meets" or "exceeds" goes up just about every year by 7.5%. For this year, that number is 62.5%. IN 2014, that number will be 100%. So in 2014, if even one child fails the exam, the school is considered not in compliance. What is our state going to do when every single school doesn't meet these standards eventually? You got to admit, this is pretty strict. |
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Post by sleeplessinnpvl on Apr 21, 2008 20:32:46 GMT -6
Sleepless I know that this is just you relaying info, so just a caveat that this isn't TO you, but in response to your post. NCLB might be tough but its what we have to meet. So I get that people don't like it, but that doesn't really matter. Other schools seem to do OK with it. We've missed AYP for 5 years at WV and that's just the facts. For the record, I don't think our issues w/ NCLB was the main driver of w/ moving from BB to AME, but I believe it IS the main driver behind why they need to make a major change by 2009. And by default then, the site change is probably related. And missing AYP going on year 6 requires major changes or else..... Get rid of principal. Check. Re-do boundaries to show restructuring. Check. Move personnel. (remember that weird rumor - a bunch of teachers will be leaving WV for MV). Check. Obviously, the approach of moving kids around to "edit" problems with scores is something we're not new to. The Young situation and weird ES satellite boundary changes even now are evidence of that. Seriously, call it a conspiracy theory if you want to, but I don't believe in this many coincidences. And then, if they will call me crazy once again, there's always the novel idea of freaking sitting down and explaining what's going on. That usually works to extinguish rumors and speculation... Just a tip for anyone listening. So again, NCLB panic the reason for leaving BB? Not entirely. NCLB panic the reason to rush a 2009 opening? Absolutely. I must say, the NCLB is a questionable project at best. Here is some interesting facts from the other board. Another thing. In Illinois, the percentage of children in a subgroup who must score either "meets" or "exceeds" goes up just about every year by 7.5%. For this year, that number is 62.5%. IN 2014, that number will be 100%. So in 2014, if even one child fails the exam, the school is considered not in compliance. What is our state going to do when every single school doesn't meet these standards eventually? You got to admit, this is pretty strict. Thank you for your post, fence. It makes sense. I guess now that I know the guidelines for reform, I see that our SB is taking steps. The strange decisions and current actions do make sense. It just irritates me when people start wondering if what we are doing is illegal and filled with ulterior motives and can we add this to our n-fud lawsuit. Can't we just see it for what it is? Can't the school quietly try and fix this problem? |
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Post by snerdley on Apr 21, 2008 20:43:58 GMT -6
How many kids in the district are being moved to a farther school so the district can "quietly fix its problem"? Add to that they've started a virtual war in the district. I would call it anything but "quiet".
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Post by doctorwho on Apr 21, 2008 20:53:24 GMT -6
Sleepless I know that this is just you relaying info, so just a caveat that this isn't TO you, but in response to your post. NCLB might be tough but its what we have to meet. So I get that people don't like it, but that doesn't really matter. Other schools seem to do OK with it. We've missed AYP for 5 years at WV and that's just the facts. For the record, I don't think our issues w/ NCLB was the main driver of w/ moving from BB to AME, but I believe it IS the main driver behind why they need to make a major change by 2009. And by default then, the site change is probably related. And missing AYP going on year 6 requires major changes or else..... Get rid of principal. Check. Re-do boundaries to show restructuring. Check. Move personnel. (remember that weird rumor - a bunch of teachers will be leaving WV for MV). Check. Obviously, the approach of moving kids around to "edit" problems with scores is something we're not new to. The Young situation and weird ES satellite boundary changes even now are evidence of that. Seriously, call it a conspiracy theory if you want to, but I don't believe in this many coincidences. And then, if they will call me crazy once again, there's always the novel idea of freaking sitting down and explaining what's going on. That usually works to extinguish rumors and speculation... Just a tip for anyone listening. So again, NCLB panic the reason for leaving BB? Not entirely. NCLB panic the reason to rush a 2009 opening? Absolutely. Thank you for your post, fence. It makes sense. I guess now that I know the guidelines for reform, I see that our SB is taking steps. The strange decisions and current actions do make sense. It just irritates me when people start wondering if what we are doing is illegal and filled with ulterior motives and can we add this to our n-fud lawsuit. Can't we just see it for what it is? Can't the school quietly try and fix this problem? No, not when they move my child to the furthest school from our house as part of that plan -- that is NOT quietly in my home / area is it ? The part you seem to be missing in all this is there ARE kids being hurt by this, and ARE families being hurt by this. That isn't quietly fixing a problem in my book. Again it likely is easier to look at it that way if you are not the one being screwed over by it, but try for a minute to put yourself in one of our shoes - if this was you and your family being shafted by this, you'd see if differently - I know for sure your area would. Seriously I find it offensive you ( or any other SB apologists) are willing to compromise my childs future so that the SB can 'quietly' fix something under the table -- maybe you'd like to explain to her face to face why she is getting hosed in this and how others only has what's good in their hearts....this is not an attack on you, but it is on this general idea and concept. And people wonder how dictatorships flourish - people allow stuff to be done quietly and under the table/ on the fringe of legality - as long as it doesn't affect them directly. |
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Post by doctorwho on Apr 21, 2008 20:55:18 GMT -6
Sleepless I know that this is just you relaying info, so just a caveat that this isn't TO you, but in response to your post. NCLB might be tough but its what we have to meet. So I get that people don't like it, but that doesn't really matter. Other schools seem to do OK with it. We've missed AYP for 5 years at WV and that's just the facts. For the record, I don't think our issues w/ NCLB was the main driver of w/ moving from BB to AME, but I believe it IS the main driver behind why they need to make a major change by 2009. And by default then, the site change is probably related. And missing AYP going on year 6 requires major changes or else..... Get rid of principal. Check. Re-do boundaries to show restructuring. Check. Move personnel. (remember that weird rumor - a bunch of teachers will be leaving WV for MV). Check. Obviously, the approach of moving kids around to "edit" problems with scores is something we're not new to. The Young situation and weird ES satellite boundary changes even now are evidence of that. Seriously, call it a conspiracy theory if you want to, but I don't believe in this many coincidences. And then, if they will call me crazy once again, there's always the novel idea of freaking sitting down and explaining what's going on. That usually works to extinguish rumors and speculation... Just a tip for anyone listening. So again, NCLB panic the reason for leaving BB? Not entirely. NCLB panic the reason to rush a 2009 opening? Absolutely. I must say, the NCLB is a questionable project at best. Here is some interesting facts from the other board. Another thing. In Illinois, the percentage of children in a subgroup who must score either "meets" or "exceeds" goes up just about every year by 7.5%. For this year, that number is 62.5%. IN 2014, that number will be 100%. So in 2014, if even one child fails the exam, the school is considered not in compliance. What is our state going to do when every single school doesn't meet these standards eventually? You got to admit, this is pretty strict. I'll take it one step further ( and why my area gets shafted commute wise) - the NCLB issues would rule out any southern site - ( Macom / Hamman) - because of boundaries - they would even have had to be more bizarre than now to accomplish what they did Could that be why they didn't look at another offer received last Wednesday that was significantly lower in price before buying AME ? |
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