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Post by jwh on May 29, 2008 17:54:39 GMT -6
Language directly from the dismissal appears to clear School Board of wrongdoing and put the blame where it belongs ... see below .... directly from Popejoy!!! …. However, it appears from the record that defendants had every intention of using Brach-Brodie for the site of the new high school, but ultimately were unable to do so due to facts and circumstances that arose afer the referendum vote. There is absolutely no evidence of intent to deceive Conclusion: Though plaintiffs deny it, each of their arguents is a back door method to obtain discretion over where the site of the new school wil be built, or at least where it wil not be built. Ths is not their right, but the right granted to the school district by Ilinois law. See i 05 ILCS 5/19:'3; 1O-22.35A; 1 I guess a post like this answers my question in a previous post....will people move forward or simply chose to pour more salt in wounds....  ?? Take the high road for a change please. Um, the salt you quoted above was administered by Judge Popejoy. In his official ruling. His words. |
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Post by slp on May 29, 2008 17:57:09 GMT -6
I guess a post like this answers my question in a previous post....will people move forward or simply chose to pour more salt in wounds.... ?? Take the high road for a change please. Slp, You and I think alike. I had the same feelings regarding this post. Somehow, I don't hold much hope that certain portions of the community will chose the "high road". Especially the portion of the community that tried to tank the 06 referendum with an 80% no vote. We can thank the school board for promoting this "I win, you lose" type behavior that persists (and has gone on for too long) in this district. ETA: despite the ruling by Judge Popejoy today the BB chapter in district 204's history is FAR from over. There are a few outstanding lawsuits that still hang over our heads. AND, I noticed that when Mustang six posted the same info on the green board, that mustang six spoke of "entitlement" ....yet claims that salt should be saved for margaritas. Sounds to me like mustang six is talking out of both sides of her mouth! This all needs to stop. Being a good winner is as important as being a good loser. |
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Post by slp on May 29, 2008 17:57:57 GMT -6
I guess a post like this answers my question in a previous post....will people move forward or simply chose to pour more salt in wounds.... ?? Take the high road for a change please. Um, the salt you quoted above was administered by Judge Popejoy. In his official ruling. His words. Then let everyone read it themselves. Posting that portion was not necessary unless the sole desire was to aggitate. You and I both know it so don't play coy. |
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Post by MustangSix on May 29, 2008 17:59:14 GMT -6
I guess a post like this answers my question in a previous post....will people move forward or simply chose to pour more salt in wounds.... ?? Take the high road for a change please. Um, the salt you quoted above was administered by Judge Popejoy. In his official ruling. His words. Hey, thanks! You are right - those were Popejoy's words not mine. At this point, let's all leave rubbing salt to the drinking of margaritas! We are building a high school and life is moving on and that's great. It has actually been a relief to be able to forget about all this for awhile. |
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Post by MustangSix on May 29, 2008 18:04:10 GMT -6
Slp, You and I think alike. I had the same feelings regarding this post. Somehow, I don't hold much hope that certain portions of the community will chose the "high road". Especially the portion of the community that tried to tank the 06 referendum with an 80% no vote. We can thank the school board for promoting this "I win, you lose" type behavior that persists (and has gone on for too long) in this district. ETA: despite the ruling by Judge Popejoy today the BB chapter in district 204's history is FAR from over. There are a few outstanding lawsuits that still hang over our heads. AND, I noticed that when Mustang six posted the same info on the green board, that mustang six spoke of "entitlement" ....yet claims that salt should be saved for margaritas. Sounds to me like mustang six is talking out of both sides of her mouth! This all needs to stop. Being a good winner is as important as being a good loser. I posted both at the same time and put the entitlement piece in at that time - then thought about it and realized it was not nice. I'm on the margarita train now! |
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Post by slp on May 29, 2008 18:06:28 GMT -6
AND, I noticed that when Mustang six posted the same info on the green board, that mustang six spoke of "entitlement" ....yet claims that salt should be saved for margaritas. Sounds to me like mustang six is talking out of both sides of her mouth! This all needs to stop. Being a good winner is as important as being a good loser. I posted both at the same time and put the entitlement piece in at that time - then thought about it and realized it was not nice. I'm on the margarita train now! so is that an apology? (and our school board might learn that sometimes apologies can go a long way ). ETA: I went and checked the green board again and still see your entitlement comment. Why wouldn't you have removed it if you felt it was not nice? |
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Post by lorip on May 29, 2008 18:16:06 GMT -6
Well, if the SB has that much power and can lie and treat taxpayers they way the did, I will always be a no voter. As I have always said that a win is also a loss on either end. If NSFOC wins the suit, they lose in how much of the community views the supporters. If the district wins, it is only short lived. A teacher said it best to me yesterday, "If district wins then I can kiss any salary improvements goodbye. No voters will not come out of the woodwork for any future referendums." I must say that I do agree with her. My hope is that those disappointed with today's outcome won't just give a blanket "no" to future referendums. Some,if not all, of the referendums that will come up with greatly impact our kids. Like SSM said, "with every win, there is a loss on the other end". I hope that everyone will keep an open mind when voting for these referendums and realize how our choices will affect the kids. If you choose to vote "no" on future referendums, that is your perogative. However, do it for the right reasons and not to spite the SB. They've not handled everything very well at times, but it's our kids who will be affected by any spitefulness at the voting booth. |
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Post by Avenging Eagle on May 29, 2008 18:21:22 GMT -6
AND, I noticed that when Mustang six posted the same info on the green board, that mustang six spoke of "entitlement" ....yet claims that salt should be saved for margaritas. Sounds to me like mustang six is talking out of both sides of her mouth! This all needs to stop. Being a good winner is as important as being a good loser. I posted both at the same time and put the entitlement piece in at that time - then thought about it and realized it was not nice. I'm on the margarita train now! I just spotted the suitcase with the tax money in it...i believe that is mustang six hanging off the bottom. Its a mad scramble to get that money, but we all know that BB is going to get it in the end.  |
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Post by southsidemom on May 29, 2008 18:23:48 GMT -6
As I have always said that a win is also a loss on either end. If NSFOC wins the suit, they lose in how much of the community views the supporters. If the district wins, it is only short lived. A teacher said it best to me yesterday, "If district wins then I can kiss any salary improvements goodbye. No voters will not come out of the woodwork for any future referendums." I must say that I do agree with her. Sad but very true......I can not envision a single referendum being passed for quite some time. I think this is going to be a real tragedy in regards to teacher salaries and improvements for many years to come.Bottom line is that we can't keep gouging our pockets, so many will no vote for that reason alone. Especially those that live in district and have no children in the schools. I for one plan to vote NO for a simple reason! Why? It is all about the $$$$ right now. Can't fault me for that. Just being honest. We don't all have open pocketbooks! |
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Post by Arch on May 29, 2008 18:24:07 GMT -6
Let's see how much money we 'saved'.
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Post by macy on May 29, 2008 18:25:25 GMT -6
The problem, in my opinion, is today's ruling stated that voters (despite how educated they are) can be easily deceived.
I don't believe for one second that the majority of voters in 2006 thought that the location would change.
From now on, I'm sad to say, I will find it hard to trust any "language" in any referendum district 204 puts out to voters.
Any future referendum will have to be ridiculously specific for me to vote yes.
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Post by macy on May 29, 2008 18:26:55 GMT -6
I guess a post like this answers my question in a previous post....will people move forward or simply chose to pour more salt in wounds.... ?? Take the high road for a change please. Um, the salt you quoted above was administered by Judge Popejoy. In his official ruling. His words. Um, I disagree. The salt is coming from you Jwh. Beware of Karma though (stole that "Karma" thing from a Brookdale poster on another blog) because your comments now may come back and bite you in the future. I'd be careful right now. Aren't you from Brookdale? How did you vote in the 06 referendum? Just curious. ETA: I'm sure you voted yes. I have yet to meet a person from Brookdale that didn't support the third high school yet the neighborhood voting results were 80% against the referendum. Go figure. |
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Post by southsidemom on May 29, 2008 18:27:04 GMT -6
Slp, You and I think alike. I had the same feelings regarding this post. Somehow, I don't hold much hope that certain portions of the community will chose the "high road". Especially the portion of the community that tried to tank the 06 referendum with an 80% no vote. We can thank the school board for promoting this "I win, you lose" type behavior that persists (and has gone on for too long) in this district. ETA: despite the ruling by Judge Popejoy today the BB chapter in district 204's history is FAR from over. There are a few outstanding lawsuits that still hang over our heads. AND, I noticed that when Mustang six posted the same info on the green board, that mustang six spoke of "entitlement" ....yet claims that salt should be saved for margaritas. Sounds to me like mustang six is talking out of both sides of her mouth! This all needs to stop. Being a good winner is as important as being a good loser. Last time I checked this district is losing big time all around. And I am looking past this MV situation when I make this statement. It is quite sad. |
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Post by d204mom on May 29, 2008 18:29:10 GMT -6
Sad but very true......I can not envision a single referendum being passed for quite some time. I think this is going to be a real tragedy in regards to teacher salaries and improvements for many years to come.Bottom line is that we can't keep gouging our pockets, so many will no vote for that reason alone. Especially those that live in district and have no children in the schools. I for one plan to vote NO for a simple reason! Why? It is all about the $$$$ right now. Can't fault me for that. Just being honest. We don't all have open pocketbooks! I'm sorry but the district has cried "wolf" too many times. If we vote NO none of the dire things they threaten us with will happen. Our kids will do great. We won't have split shifts. They've already thrown down the gauntlet to the teachers - NO OP REF until 2012 even though their contract comes up before then. What will they threaten us with then? No extracurriculars? Just like they threatened to cut all ES PE after the 2005 ref failed? In hindsight, I'm sure that was a strategy recommended by the Center for Community Opinion. |
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Post by southsidemom on May 29, 2008 18:34:29 GMT -6
The problem, in my opinion, is today's ruling stated that voters (despite how educated they are) can be easily deceived.I don't believe for one second that the majority of voters in 2006 thought that the location would change. From now on, I'm sad to say, I will find it hard to trust any "language" in any referendum district 204 puts out to voters. Any future referendum will have to be ridiculously specific for me to vote yes. Bingo!!!!! |
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