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Post by southsidesignmaker on Oct 23, 2008 11:12:04 GMT -6
DW, I see your point it was a bad post and I pulled it my apologies again.
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Post by doctorwho on Oct 23, 2008 11:14:57 GMT -6
DW, thank you for not using part of it out of context. If I offended you I apologize. It was meant to depict a situation that though highly unlikely, could be a problem for the district when families with multiple children are involved in many different type activities. At what grade level do you tell the families that the next sibling has to go to the new school. I whole heartedly agree and have for months that your family and your neighbors have the worst commute to the new high school. Maybe there is some wiggle room with regard to that situation (I don't know). And lastly, though I poked fun at an imaginary situation ( sorry again if I offended you), You do have a very valid point with regard to opportunities at MVHS being limited in some situations. I like you would like to see these individual situations looked at. My hope is that there would be a handful of these situations and not the couple of hundred you have proposed. I don't know how many there are- a few hundred I would think would be a worst case scenario -- which is why I agree with Curt they need to at least consider them. Just because we did things one way 10 years ago doesn't make them right - a lot of things are different in the 2 scenarios-- and a lot of things change in 10 years. If we are talking about only x volume of people who will want to keep their families together- I am not sure why we need a hard and fast rule- but IMHO it would be the first year that a family only was going to have siblings at 1 HS- the exeption ends. For those handful who have kids stretched across many years and will always be split - I believe it should be their choice. Those numbers are not going to upset anyone's applecart for total HS populations. the reason your story upset me goes back a while as I heard a HS Ad ( still in place by the way) tell a group of parents who had other issues at the time " what do you want me to do, get your kids scholarhips" - and it set me off. First off, again, outside of football, it was a boastful statement for something they couldn't do anyway - secondly it had that same attitude that kids don't play HS sports for school pride --which is what MOST of them do. btw- the group of parents there - all but one of the kids already had scholarhips during junior year, concerns were other things. |
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Post by doctorwho on Oct 23, 2008 11:15:45 GMT -6
DW, I see your point it was a bad post and I pulled it my apologies again. It's appreciated as your posts are way better than that - and most athletes families would tell you that scenrio is just not the case... |
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Post by doctorwho on Oct 23, 2008 11:18:41 GMT -6
DW, There is always time to fine tune boundaries, just as there is a time to change boundaries. As for truth to newspaper articles there is truth in almost all articles I read. Just as there is truth in almost all lTE that are put out there. The concern I have is that newspaper articles seldom have follow-up stories that portray "the other side" of whatever topic is being covered. Case in point: The Captains (Dr. Dash) salary. How about a follow-up article about what other districts are paying their supt. Take for instance East Aurora district which is much smaller than our own and the supt is being paid more. DW you see you will seldom see follow-up articles stating boring analytical data, instead splashy headlines that are low on content imo. no arguments there- just as the parents involved in NSFOC won't get a chance to respodn to the insinuation by M2 that their lawsuit is causing the SB not to consider exceptions, when KB stated 2 years ago that there would be no exceptions. That decision was made far before the lawsuit- --making the comment superfluous..but you won't see that in the paper either. It's why we are all here ---- ;D |
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Post by Arch on Oct 23, 2008 12:14:39 GMT -6
ok, so a 'could be a problem' with a limited number of sibling situations is some horrible slipery slope to avoid at all costs, oh good heavens, the lawsuits!!!!!!
but a life/death 'could be a problem' that if it actually ever becomes a problem will cause more destruction and havoc in the district for years to come (longer than any small percentage of sibling situation would) ... is blowing things out of proportion and nothing to be concerned about..
Dang I love the irony in this district.
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Post by southsidesignmaker on Oct 23, 2008 12:24:56 GMT -6
Arch,
Where were you a couple hours ago when I made my satire debut (very short lived)
Your concern is probably one of the bigger pieces as the concerns to the north rage. Any more data on the systems to keep us all safe and sound.
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Post by Arch on Oct 23, 2008 12:30:49 GMT -6
Arch, Where were you a couple hours ago when I made my satire debut (very short lived) Your concern is probably one of the bigger pieces as the concerns to the north rage. Any more data on the systems to keep us all safe and sound. I've been waiting since June to hear anything from the SB/Admin on the topic. When I hear from them, you'll know. In the meantime, research and data gathering continues... but D204 leaders are not concerned about it (unless silence = concern), so I won't waste any more of their time with it. I've made enough inquiries and explicitly stated why; with supporting documentation and real-world citations. One thing is for certain, the ignorance card can not be played. |
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Post by doctorwho on Oct 23, 2008 12:40:07 GMT -6
ok, so a 'could be a problem' with a limited number of sibling situations is some horrible slipery slope to avoid at all costs, oh good heavens, the lawsuits!!!!!! but a life/death 'could be a problem' that if it actually ever becomes a problem will cause more destruction and havoc in the district for years to come (longer than any small percentage of sibling situation would) ... is blowing things out of proportion and nothing to be concerned about.. Dang I love the irony in this district. It is the one overriding concern that cannot be fixed by : busing / boundaries / expedites/ exceptions etc... it's never going to go away. |
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Post by Arch on Oct 23, 2008 12:46:19 GMT -6
ok, so a 'could be a problem' with a limited number of sibling situations is some horrible slipery slope to avoid at all costs, oh good heavens, the lawsuits!!!!!! but a life/death 'could be a problem' that if it actually ever becomes a problem will cause more destruction and havoc in the district for years to come (longer than any small percentage of sibling situation would) ... is blowing things out of proportion and nothing to be concerned about.. Dang I love the irony in this district. It is the one overriding concern that cannot be fixed by : busing / boundaries / expedites/ exceptions etc... it's never going to go away. This is exactly why BB was 'worth the price'. Never a concern there.... safe distance away to the east of them. |
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Post by southsidesignmaker on Oct 23, 2008 13:33:21 GMT -6
Sashimi,
Your concerns with regard to economic conditions and the loss of tax base are well founded. The district is aware of these concerns and has been represented at commercial tax appeal processes. The recent slowdown in commercial and residential building will indeed cause more concern for our district. We only need to look at Naperville and the budget shortfalls that have been caused by this recent slowdown.
On a brighter note our district is well positioned when compared to other districts to our southwest. Our shortfall though substantial, is still far less because the district was getting close to build out. Hopefully the anticipated revenue from "the tail end of our build out" is small.
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Post by Arch on Oct 23, 2008 13:44:07 GMT -6
Sashimi, Your concerns with regard to economic conditions and the loss of tax base are well founded. The district is aware of these concerns and has been represented at commercial tax appeal processes. The recent slowdown in commercial and residential building will indeed cause more concern for our district. We only need to look at Naperville and the budget shortfalls that have been caused by this recent slowdown. On a brighter note our district is well positioned when compared to other districts to our southwest. Our shortfall though substantial, is still far less because the district was getting close to build out. Hopefully the anticipated revenue from "the tail end of our build out" is small. With all due respect, the only thing that will help the taxpayers is less spending by the district. They can easily 'waste' more manhours appealing tax assessments until the cows come home all they want.. and in fact, if they help the 'commercial' side of the equation, the 'residential' side of the equation will have to go up to meet their levy. Right? Or are you saying they are fighting AGAINST any commercial tax appeals that could result in lower commercial taxes? If they are, then does this fall into the lap of Mr. Altenbern, whom we've been told is working with the 'business' side of the community...? Or do his duties involve making the pill easier to swallow for the commercial side of the funding equation? |
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Post by doctorwho on Oct 23, 2008 13:52:23 GMT -6
Sashimi, Your concerns with regard to economic conditions and the loss of tax base are well founded. The district is aware of these concerns and has been represented at commercial tax appeal processes. The recent slowdown in commercial and residential building will indeed cause more concern for our district. We only need to look at Naperville and the budget shortfalls that have been caused by this recent slowdown. On a brighter note our district is well positioned when compared to other districts to our southwest. Our shortfall though substantial, is still far less because the district was getting close to build out. Hopefully the anticipated revenue from "the tail end of our build out" is small. the devalued property here will have a bigger impact than the 'missing' revenue |
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Post by southsidesignmaker on Oct 23, 2008 14:11:08 GMT -6
DW, I have to agree, and I hope we are both wrong!
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Post by doctorwho on Oct 23, 2008 14:26:03 GMT -6
DW, I have to agree, and I hope we are both wrong! but we know we are right-- anyone want a good Halloween scare this year-- well if you survive opening your 401K quarterly statement - sign into zillow.com and look at where your home value has gone.....  |
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Post by Arch on Oct 23, 2008 14:36:13 GMT -6
 EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!! |
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