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Post by researching on Dec 30, 2008 13:18:47 GMT -6
Maybe I'll toss my hat in there for giggles. Historically, I seem to be able to dig up more facts for free in a few hours than some who are paid with tax dollars can dig up in months. Why not... Time to fill out and turn in that packet. school board is evil and incompetent platform? The word "evil" tends to be an emotional word and wouldn't garner too many votes. The use of it in this instance is also meant as a sneer and I think our presidential election showed us how many people like that approach. However, "incompetent" is a completely relevant word and relates directly to the performance of the SB members and how well they perform in their currently held positions. Luckily, the incompetence of the current SB is WELL DOCUMENTED. Personally, I will vote for those who support FULL DISCLOSURE as well as accountability. In referring to accountability, one example would be a plan to make the MV site as safe as possible (ie. replacing the pipelines, etc...). |
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Post by Arch on Dec 30, 2008 13:42:34 GMT -6
Point taken. If he were to actually go out there and visit the site and as a result change his tune in light of 'new learned facts', would that change your opinion? Facts that change with time can, at times, necessitate a change in opinion or decision. That's a good thing, IMO. No. I have a pretty low opinion from the few times I botherered to read his column. When we were in the middle of the first referendum the Napervillle actually printed an absolutly ficticious map of the proposed Brach-Brodie site tha someone would have actually had to make up. If he did a good job as editor and the newspaper presented the actual facts the referendum would have been passed the first time and the school would have been built by now at a better location for a fraction of the cost. He admitted that he had no interest in representing the facts in the 204 referendum. If I remember correctly he said something to the extent of' "I ldon't have a dog in this fight..I live in district 203." You certainly know more of his history than I do. His residency (or lack thereof) disqualifies him. |
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Post by doctorwho on Dec 30, 2008 14:54:44 GMT -6
Point taken. If he were to actually go out there and visit the site and as a result change his tune in light of 'new learned facts', would that change your opinion? Facts that change with time can, at times, necessitate a change in opinion or decision. That's a good thing, IMO. No. I have a pretty low opinion from the few times I botherered to read his column. When we were in the middle of the first referendum the Napervillle actually printed an absolutly ficticious map of the proposed Brach-Brodie site tha someone would have actually had to make up. If he did a good job as editor and the newspaper presented the actual facts the referendum would have been passed the first time and the school would have been built by now at a better location for a fraction of the cost. He admitted that he had no interest in representing the facts in the 204 referendum. If I remember correctly he said something to the extent of' "I ldon't have a dog in this fight..I live in district 203." yeah, actually I do remember that comment also - however he does seemto have come around some- and at least he doesn't wait to be told what to print like his predecessor. ( we hired a pr person when they stopped covering 204- coincidence ?) the onus for the ref not passing the first time lies squarely on the shoulders of the SB- they did ZERO to promote it or explain it - their job to do so. |
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Post by steckdad on Dec 30, 2008 16:19:29 GMT -6
but do the majority of voters see your side or even care? BTW...good luck! I've never been one for popularity because that just tends to lead to deception when 'unpopular' facts get in the way. People have to decide for themselves if they care. I can't make anyone care. when one throws his or hers "hat in the ring" the popular or majority vote is elected into office. In that instance it is kind of important. I think one would benefit from talking about their owns strengths versus the bad mouthing the incumbent(s) btw... |
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Post by steckdad on Dec 30, 2008 16:25:42 GMT -6
school board is evil and incompetent platform? The word "evil" tends to be an emotional word and wouldn't garner too many votes. The use of it in this instance is also meant as a sneer and I think our presidential election showed us how many people like that approach. However, "incompetent" is a completely relevant word and relates directly to the performance of the SB members and how well they perform in their currently held positions. Luckily, the incompetence of the current SB is WELL DOCUMENTED. Personally, I will vote for those who support FULL DISCLOSURE as well as accountability. In referring to accountability, one example would be a plan to make the MV site as safe as possible (ie. replacing the pipelines, etc...). [/color] there are seven? other people on the board...Isn't this how board members are held accountable? that one person alone is not making decisions with the taxpayers money? Aren't those board members voted in by the taxpayers? this is where the accountability lies in this process IMO. |
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Post by Arch on Dec 30, 2008 16:26:58 GMT -6
I've never been one for popularity because that just tends to lead to deception when 'unpopular' facts get in the way. People have to decide for themselves if they care. I can't make anyone care. when one throws his or hers "hat in the ring" the popular or majority vote is elected into office. In that instance it is kind of important. I think one would benefit from talking about their owns strengths versus the bad mouthing the incumbent(s) btw... Not everyone who runs is under the illusion that they'll win. One of the interesting freebies from running is that there does come a better opportunity and forum to bring forth issues to the masses via debates, interviews, the papers, advertising etc. Only a very very small subset of the electorate heard me speak at the April 14th SB meeting. It's also there that some incumbents had an opportunity placed before them to give pause and look into things but instead fluffed it off and voted AYE with disregard for the issue and evidence presented. |
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Post by Arch on Dec 30, 2008 16:29:40 GMT -6
The word "evil" tends to be an emotional word and wouldn't garner too many votes. The use of it in this instance is also meant as a sneer and I think our presidential election showed us how many people like that approach. However, "incompetent" is a completely relevant word and relates directly to the performance of the SB members and how well they perform in their currently held positions. Luckily, the incompetence of the current SB is WELL DOCUMENTED. Personally, I will vote for those who support FULL DISCLOSURE as well as accountability. In referring to accountability, one example would be a plan to make the MV site as safe as possible (ie. replacing the pipelines, etc...). [/color] there are seven? other people on the board...Isn't this how board members are held accountable? that one person alone is not making decisions with the taxpayers money? Aren't those board members voted in by the taxpayers? this is where the accountability lies in this process IMO. [/quote] 'Lies' is a good word choice. |
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Post by researching on Dec 30, 2008 17:14:43 GMT -6
The word "evil" tends to be an emotional word and wouldn't garner too many votes. The use of it in this instance is also meant as a sneer and I think our presidential election showed us how many people like that approach. However, "incompetent" is a completely relevant word and relates directly to the performance of the SB members and how well they perform in their currently held positions. Luckily, the incompetence of the current SB is WELL DOCUMENTED. Personally, I will vote for those who support FULL DISCLOSURE as well as accountability. In referring to accountability, one example would be a plan to make the MV site as safe as possible (ie. replacing the pipelines, etc...). [/color] there are seven? other people on the board...Isn't this how board members are held accountable? that one person alone is not making decisions with the taxpayers money? Aren't those board members voted in by the taxpayers? this is where the accountability lies in this process IMO. [/quote] Accountability "lies" with the vote, but accountability also "lies" within the elected individual. IMO they don't get a free pass AFTER the election. Luckily we have 4 seats up during this election. That's a majority. ;D |
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Post by doctorwho on Dec 30, 2008 17:34:47 GMT -6
I've never been one for popularity because that just tends to lead to deception when 'unpopular' facts get in the way. People have to decide for themselves if they care. I can't make anyone care. when one throws his or hers "hat in the ring" the popular or majority vote is elected into office. In that instance it is kind of important. I think one would benefit from talking about their owns strengths versus the bad mouthing the incumbent(s) btw... easy to do a compare/contrast at the same time. A promise of transparency of why decisions are made vs the back room deals and mystery decisions of recent memory would be one way. |
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Post by doctorwho on Dec 30, 2008 17:38:50 GMT -6
when one throws his or hers "hat in the ring" the popular or majority vote is elected into office. In that instance it is kind of important. I think one would benefit from talking about their owns strengths versus the bad mouthing the incumbent(s) btw... Not everyone who runs is under the illusion that they'll win. One of the interesting freebies from running is that there does come a better opportunity and forum to bring forth issues to the masses via debates, interviews, the papers, advertising etc. Only a very very small subset of the electorate heard me speak at the April 14th SB meeting. It's also there that some incumbents had an opportunity placed before them to give pause and look into things but instead fluffed it off and voted AYE with disregard for the issue and evidence presented. forums present the opportunity for candidates to answer to same questions - and no matter how closely the questions may be screened by 'nonpartial' note card takers  , there are ways to make sure the right questions get put on the table for all to hear responses. ( know exactly how these operate helps ) most of us know who all the players are today without a scorecard - that wasn't necessarily true before. |
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Post by doctorwho on Dec 30, 2008 17:41:00 GMT -6
The word "evil" tends to be an emotional word and wouldn't garner too many votes. The use of it in this instance is also meant as a sneer and I think our presidential election showed us how many people like that approach. However, "incompetent" is a completely relevant word and relates directly to the performance of the SB members and how well they perform in their currently held positions. Luckily, the incompetence of the current SB is WELL DOCUMENTED. Personally, I will vote for those who support FULL DISCLOSURE as well as accountability. In referring to accountability, one example would be a plan to make the MV site as safe as possible (ie. replacing the pipelines, etc...). [/color] there are seven? other people on the board...Isn't this how board members are held accountable? that one person alone is not making decisions with the taxpayers money? Aren't those board members voted in by the taxpayers? this is where the accountability lies in this process IMO. [/quote] re 7: one would think so - don't assume that is strictly true here as for part 2 - based on what has transpired many of us would love our vote back - that day is coming. A fair number of those who worked very hard and tirelessly last time will be doing so again - but not for the same clique |
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Post by Risperdal 4mg on Jan 1, 2009 23:06:09 GMT -6
IMHO internal intimidation and social pressure have played an enormous role in the direction and process of this group
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, there are ways to make sure the right questions get put on the table for all to hear responses. ( know exactly how these operate helps )