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Post by d204mom on Jan 21, 2009 12:01:13 GMT -6
204 mom. thanks for the article. Looks like they moved patterson because of parents complaints/concerns. The concerns are shared by the Illinois PTA as well. www.illinoispta.org/user/Continuing%20Positions.pdfEnvironment Concerns We will support legislation banning mass releases (launches) of latex and/or mylar balloons. (1990) We will support legislation that would protect children from the detrimental effects of electromagnetic fields. (1991) We will support legislation to enforce more stringent standards for protection from indoor air contaminants as research continues to reveal sources and for improved ventilation standards and building codes for schools (1998) |
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Post by steckdad on Jan 21, 2009 12:31:00 GMT -6
204 mom. thanks for the article. Looks like they moved patterson because of parents complaints/concerns. The concerns are shared by the Illinois PTA as well. www.illinoispta.org/user/Continuing%20Positions.pdfEnvironment Concerns We will support legislation banning mass releases (launches) of latex and/or mylar balloons. (1990) We will support legislation that would protect children from the detrimental effects of electromagnetic fields. (1991) We will support legislation to enforce more stringent standards for protection from indoor air contaminants as research continues to reveal sources and for improved ventilation standards and building codes for schools (1998) great. now to answer my question...was patterson moved because high power lines cause cancer? here was your post from before...."Your repeated references to brain cancer made me think that you were familiar with the results of the study group's recommendation to move Patterson away from the high power lines. Sorry - my mistake." the article you provided said a group of people from white eagle started a group to warn folks of the "dangers" of high power lines. kinda sounds like NSFOC? the site was moved because of concerns and complaints by residents of the district. (their motives cannot be proven) Not because high power lines cause cancer..... |
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Post by Arch on Jan 21, 2009 12:39:08 GMT -6
The health effects can not be proven nor can they be disproven.. However, since certain genetic manipulation techniques do include inducing a relatively small amount of EMR to cells to start to splice/split genes.... there's good reason to be concerned about a possible connection. Will it always cause cancer? No. Could it possibly cause some cancers in some people? Possibly, based on the known use of EMR and as a vital step in genetic manipulation.
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Post by doctorwho on Jan 21, 2009 12:44:00 GMT -6
The concerns are shared by the Illinois PTA as well. www.illinoispta.org/user/Continuing%20Positions.pdfEnvironment Concerns We will support legislation banning mass releases (launches) of latex and/or mylar balloons. (1990) We will support legislation that would protect children from the detrimental effects of electromagnetic fields. (1991) We will support legislation to enforce more stringent standards for protection from indoor air contaminants as research continues to reveal sources and for improved ventilation standards and building codes for schools (1998) great. now to answer my question...was patterson moved because high power lines cause cancer? here was your post from before...."Your repeated references to brain cancer made me think that you were familiar with the results of the study group's recommendation to move Patterson away from the high power lines. Sorry - my mistake." the article you provided said a group of people from white eagle started a group to warn folks of the "dangers" of high power lines. kinda sounds like NSFOC? the site was moved because of concerns and complaints by residents of the district. (their motives cannot be proven) Not because high power lines cause cancer..... believe that is a red herring argument as shown by the ILlinois PTA rules - as well as state restrictions on building in places like California. Patterson was moved to avoid taking the risk that those who believe there is a connection ( groups include some of the most respected people in the medical field in the world) might be right- and the group that believes there is no connection ( again has many highly respected people)- I don't think you or anyone else can say there is no connection. Again I am very close to this topic and whle it cannot be proven conclusiely- it also cannot be disproven conslusiely. By was it important to avoid that risk then and not now- that is the real question ? btw- there atone time were groups were diametrically opposed on effects of things like second hand smoke - heck smoking in general, alcohol, different pesticides , asbestos et al..... why take the risk- we did not build a machine shop shed here- this is a school inhabited many hours a day for prolonged periods. |
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Post by d204mom on Jan 21, 2009 12:46:55 GMT -6
The concerns are shared by the Illinois PTA as well. www.illinoispta.org/user/Continuing%20Positions.pdfEnvironment Concerns We will support legislation banning mass releases (launches) of latex and/or mylar balloons. (1990) We will support legislation that would protect children from the detrimental effects of electromagnetic fields. (1991) We will support legislation to enforce more stringent standards for protection from indoor air contaminants as research continues to reveal sources and for improved ventilation standards and building codes for schools (1998) great. now to answer my question...was patterson moved because high power lines cause cancer? here was your post from before...."Your repeated references to brain cancer made me think that you were familiar with the results of the study group's recommendation to move Patterson away from the high power lines. Sorry - my mistake." the article you provided said a group of people from white eagle started a group to warn folks of the "dangers" of high power lines. kinda sounds like NSFOC? the site was moved because of concerns and complaints by residents of the district. (their motives cannot be proven) Not because high power lines cause cancer..... Their stated reason was the emf exposure/cancer/leukemia link. I cannot speak to the evil motives you imply were behind their stated reason. Maybe they paid off the Illinois PTA!  |
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Post by rew on Jan 21, 2009 14:31:08 GMT -6
The official language from the federal govvernment is that there is "increased risk", meaning that they have shown that children who live next to power lines have increased numbers of cancers.
To say the power lines cause it, they would have to reproduce the cause and effect under strict laboratory controls. It is a very high hurdle.
Remember the Amoco Research floor where an unusually high number of brain cancers were diagnosed amongst employees? They never found any cause and effect...the hurdle was never overcome, but Amoco closed the floor.
Are you saying, Steckdad, that you would be willing to work on that floor, because they never proved anything scientifically?
Today, we all accept that smoking causes lung cancer. There were suspicious findings about a causal link 60-70 years ago. Does that make you feel better or worse?
Let me say some scary things, while the number of cancer deaths is declining, because of early detection and treatments, the incidence of cancers is rising. Some of it is because people are living longer (ie 80% of men over the age of 80 have prostate cancer) But the incidence is rising in all age groups.
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Post by steckdad on Jan 21, 2009 14:38:47 GMT -6
great. now to answer my question...was patterson moved because high power lines cause cancer? here was your post from before...."Your repeated references to brain cancer made me think that you were familiar with the results of the study group's recommendation to move Patterson away from the high power lines. Sorry - my mistake." the article you provided said a group of people from white eagle started a group to warn folks of the "dangers" of high power lines. kinda sounds like NSFOC? the site was moved because of concerns and complaints by residents of the district. (their motives cannot be proven) Not because high power lines cause cancer..... I cannot speak to the evil motives you imply were behind their stated reason. Maybe they paid off the Illinois PTA! not based on the article posted...here is the quote from scullen: Supt. Thomas Scullen`s office investigated parents ` complaints that the electromagnetic fields from such power lines might be linked to increased cases of cancer in children, even though scientists have said research has yet to demonstrate the link. Scullen`s office could not confirm the claims, but the district decided
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Post by rew on Jan 21, 2009 16:01:06 GMT -6
Steckdad, I have been hesitant to get involved in any argument regarding EMFs, because people without kids attending MV put themselves at risk of being accused of fear mongering for ulterior motives. I would actually not be bringing any of this up, but since you did... Please note the following quote from the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences found on the National Institute of Health website www.niehs.nih.gov"In 1999, at the conclusion of the EMF RAPID Program, the NIEHS reported to the U.S. Congress that the overall scientific evidence for human health risk from EMF exposure is weak. No consistent pattern of biological effects from exposure to EMF had emerged from laboratory studies with animals or with cells. However, epidemiological studies (studies of disease incidence in human populations) had shown a fairly consistent pattern that associated potential EMF exposure with a small increased risk for leukemia in children and chronic lymphocytic leukemia in adults. Since 1999, several other assessments have been completed that support an association between childhood leukemia and exposure to power-frequency EMF." |
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