MV@BB

[steckdad]

feel free to post why you voted yes or no if you feel comfortable doing so.

[steckdad]

Jun 12, 2009 20:25:59 GMT -6 @steckdad said:

feel free to post why you voted yes or no if you feel comfortable doing so.

eta..I messed up the poll please only vote for one option...sigh

[doctorwho]

Jun 12, 2009 20:25:59 GMT -6 @steckdad said:

feel free to post why you voted yes or no if you feel comfortable doing so.

I voted yes at the time.... my vote was based on the following:

1/ belief of population of 10,400 by 2009
2/ belief of split shifts by 2008/09
3/ was a very good location population wise and there were no safety issues ( safety wasn't even a topic )
4/ Belief we were spending $124M and a few million buffer ( not $25M)

My posts ( in the archives) were always concerned about:
1/ ensuring the school was complete upon opening- no construction and not missing anything - temporarily or permanently
2/ wanted varsity sports the year it opened
3/ Concerned about the staffing of a new school

Also stated at the time preferred to stay @ Waubonsie - but would have attended any of the three schools as none of the commutes were horrific and there were no safety issues involved. And I listened as some told me the concerns I had, others had too and would be looked at.


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I was far from anti SB until the 10,400 turned out to be a ruse, the split shifts were just FUD, the real cost was uncovered and the move made the commute and the safety major issues for me. I absolutely feel I was sold a bill of goods and today question all the decisions made because major issues turned out to be untruths - and when the comment was made about not being able to read the ballot after listening to and for God's sake writing some of the material being sold- I know people like me were just used along the way. Being that trusting of some I viewed as friends cost me being part of the district I supported for 18 years as well as a significant financial burden -- but then I guess I was supposed to sit down and shut up and take one ( or 3 or 4 ) for the team. Sorry

[Arch]

I voted based on the 10,400 and the fact that the location itself was void of the normal 'sh!t hole' surrounding hazards such as RR tracks, gas lines, chemical plants, power plants, high voltage lines/substations, truck terminals, toxic chemical storage facilities, etc.

I would have voted NO for MV @ Macom and NO for MV @ Hammond and NO for MV @ MWGEN/AME

I would have only voted to place it at Wagner Farms or BB, based on the sites shown to be under consideration...and again, if the enrollment numbers were actually true.

I trusted people who were getting fed info directly from M2, and that information was later discovered to be false.

[twhl]

Voted no the first time due to lack of information and details about anything. Voted no again because I thought it to be awful fishy smelling when they hired the consultant (without taxpayer approval) using taxpayer money to get it passed. Also didn't like the fact that a board member (JC) was blatantly allowed to push for Brookdale and wearing an orange shirt was IMO a conflict of interest. I also thought it sounded suspicious when they almost immediately bought the property supposedly for another middle school from Brach Brodie because they had the cash laying around shortly after the ref was voted down. Didn't see very prudent.

[kidsfirst]

Voted yes the first time and yes the second time. I feel we need smaller high schools with capacities similar to other high schools in the area.

[concerned2]

I voted no both times. First time because of lack of info. The second time because they did not have the land.

[blankcheck]

I voted no for many reasons (you can look back in the archives). How could you vote yes for something when you had no idea what it was going to cost? They were still in court as to the value of the BB property. As a community, we had NO idea what the final price of the land would be. All we had was M2 & Howie saying it would fall within our budget - yeah right.

When the first referendum failed and they bought that small part of the BB property (for a potential middle school), they started out offering 105,000/acre and settled on 257,000/acre.

Not only were their numbers off for the cost of the land, their numbers for enrollment were pure FUD. Remember the lovely pamphlets they mailed out with pictures of the overcrowded HS's? To bad those pictures were not either NV or WV. Their PR Firm was brilliant at playing the voters. 400 phone calls - over 50% wanting to add on to existing buildings...........

I was a NO & NO!

[rew]

I voted YES in 05 and YES in 06, I feel smaller HSs are better for students.

I did not favor drawing boundaries in 06, no matter what voters wanted. I do think they used the boundaries to gain YES votes and when they moved the site, it was a broken promise to voters.

I would have voted YES for other sites, including northern sites, but I would not have voted YES for AME, there are too many negatives at that site that will never go away.

[slp]

Jun 13, 2009 7:32:00 GMT -6 rew said:

I voted YES in 05 and YES in 06, I feel smaller HSs are better for students.

I did not favor drawing boundaries in 06, no matter what voters wanted. I do think they used the boundaries to gain YES votes and when they moved the site, it was a broken promise to voters.

I would have voted YES for other sites, including northern sites, but I would not have voted YES for AME, there are too many negatives at that site that will never go away.

ditto for me on all points.

eta: except voted NO for first referendum; didn't have enough info...specifically wanted to know where it would be.

[blankcheck]

So you voted yes based on location when the location was anything but a done deal? That is the problem - on of many.

[lacy]

I voted yes the first time and no the second.

I felt the SB and administration were not being straight forward with the community.

[southsidesignmaker]

I voted yes the second time around because of the overcrowding at the middle and high school level. I did not believe we would see the day of 10,400 high school students, but did feel the #'s could be as high as 9400+/-. I never felt BB was "in the bag", but also felt the district did not work hard enough to get the property.

In light of what has gone down in the past two years.. Would I vote the same... I don't know.

I am in agreement with Arch with regard to safety concerns at the locations he noted. Simply put BB was the best location and we lost that location. A location that is still vacant today .

[casey]

Jun 13, 2009 7:05:24 GMT -6 concerned2 said:

I voted no both times. First time because of lack of info. The second time because they did not have the land.

That's exactly how I voted as well as the reasons for my no votes. I was a strong NO vote both times but unfortunately not enough people listened.

I am on record (many times over) telling people to vote NO because we didn't have all the information. I kept asking about a plan B because I had no faith that we would be guaranteed to get the land. I remember standing at many of the meetings asking what Plan B was if we didn't get Breach Brodie. Of course, everyone from the SB did their best to assure the community that the land was a slam dunk (you know, "our numbers are better than theirs" "Quick Take will happen" blah, blah, blah). I didn't believe the SB then and I sure as heck don't now. Thankfully more and more people are now waking up!

FWIW, I used to be a big cheerleader of the 204 community. I sat at the phone banks at Mid America bank calling people to support the previous referendums (prior to 05). Wow! That seems a long time ago . I used to believe in our 204 SB community but unfortunately I do not - I have seen too many blatant examples of falsehoods presented. I am cynical now of all decisions and it makes me sad to feel such a way. Those that truly know me, know that I'm generally a very positive person. All this ugliness just kills me.

[Arch]

Jun 13, 2009 19:22:21 GMT -6 southsidesignmaker said:

I voted yes the second time around because of the overcrowding at the middle and high school level. I did not believe we would see the day of 10,400 high school students, but did feel the #'s could be as high as 9400+/-. I never felt BB was "in the bag", but also felt the district did not work hard enough to get the property.

In light of what has gone down in the past two years.. Would I vote the same... I don't know.

I am in agreement with Arch with regard to safety concerns at the locations he noted. Simply put BB was the best location and we lost that location. A location that is still vacant today .

The big misconception being that we didn't "lose" it, we walked away from it after WINNING the right to buy it.

People need to remember that fact.