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Post by steckdad on Jun 26, 2009 19:52:09 GMT -6
a gas line could leak and explode at the any of the schools listed. smaller likely but still deadly. peaker is going away or gone. the "hazardous material" is a very weak argument. there were no radioactive or materials dangerous to the touch on site. small gas feeder line vs 36" mains under much higher pressure concentration and for those in reverse flow- no scent/warning -- sorry that is a very weak comparison, one has the potential for mass casualities on a very large scale... you can drive past that area and tell me the power line concentration there is not an issue - look up man.. As far as hazardous materials - did the EPA do a complete test of the area ? There were areas not even sampled.. I guess the landfill would have worked for you also if this board would have chosen it ? there's a reason why some land is worth $x and some worth $XXXX - for the money we pissed away on expediting we could have opened at BB next year and had a capital investment worth much more - even though we didn't need to spend the money on either. If they had realtors & buyers with that kind of trust - they'd still be selling houses @ Love Canal, NY. ironic that it was the decision to build a school on a lousy site that triggered that fiasco also. And when the first site was said to be unfit for a school - they moved it like 90 feet... I realize Love Canal is an extreme example ( before that gets pointed out) , however the same blind eye to red flag issues cost big time eventually.. my last post on the subject. if a interior gas line blows and starts a fire, a lot of people could be injured. power lines are FAR away. besides the fact that there is no proven health risk, the lines at NV are closer to the girls softball fields than the tennis courts/football field at MV. just for perspective.... there probably was not a need for a test on a cornfield for hazards. landfills are dangerous? I play golf at settlers hill frequently and there is a 20,000 capacity stadium and lots of residential surrounding...going on 20 years? the reason BB is worth more is because of the proximity to rt. 59. and BTW it is still not sold so we don't know the true value of the land.... |
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Post by doctorwho on Jun 26, 2009 21:23:05 GMT -6
small gas feeder line vs 36" mains under much higher pressure concentration and for those in reverse flow- no scent/warning -- sorry that is a very weak comparison, one has the potential for mass casualities on a very large scale... you can drive past that area and tell me the power line concentration there is not an issue - look up man.. As far as hazardous materials - did the EPA do a complete test of the area ? There were areas not even sampled.. I guess the landfill would have worked for you also if this board would have chosen it ? there's a reason why some land is worth $x and some worth $XXXX - for the money we pissed away on expediting we could have opened at BB next year and had a capital investment worth much more - even though we didn't need to spend the money on either. If they had realtors & buyers with that kind of trust - they'd still be selling houses @ Love Canal, NY. ironic that it was the decision to build a school on a lousy site that triggered that fiasco also. And when the first site was said to be unfit for a school - they moved it like 90 feet... I realize Love Canal is an extreme example ( before that gets pointed out) , however the same blind eye to red flag issues cost big time eventually.. my last post on the subject. if a interior gas line blows and starts a fire, a lot of people could be injured. power lines are FAR away. besides the fact that there is no proven health risk, the lines at NV are closer to the girls softball fields than the tennis courts/football field at MV. just for perspective.... there probably was not a need for a test on a cornfield for hazards. landfills are dangerous? I play golf at settlers hill frequently and there is a 20,000 capacity stadium and lots of residential surrounding...going on 20 years? the reason BB is worth more is because of the proximity to rt. 59. and BTW it is still not sold so we don't know the true value of the land.... Total denial - BB is worth more because it is a safe piece of land - even your own precious SB said so the first time thru...no hazards, and just because you choose to ignore them does not make them go away....of course you don't have to deal with them. 20 years - how long before the issues @ Loves Canal showed up ? Feel free- play in traffic, dance in a minefield...whatever you like - but no one should put that many others at risk.. I assume everyone in the state of California is an idiot like me - since they wouldn't have allowed this construction...I am sure some wacko come up with the law- not that is was fully researched by any qualified people. Also we knew the value of the land we bought - it was 1/3 what we paid for it just 3 years earlier - of course I am sure someone else would have snapped it up by now -  |
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Post by Arch on Jun 26, 2009 22:20:44 GMT -6
my last post on the subject. if a interior gas line blows and starts a fire, a lot of people could be injured. Yes, it could be bad. The nice difference between an interior line and a transit line are as follows: Diameter: Transit = 20" or 36" (x2) Interior = 1/2 to 1" at best, Each hookup is usually 3/8" or 1/4" at the devices using the gas. PSI: Transit = 650-750psi Interior = about 4-12psi depending on the meter/regulator outside. Odorization so you can smell if there is a leak: Transit = NO Interior = YES Age: Transit lines = 50+ years old Interior lines = BRAND NEW. I'm sure a smart guy like yourself can work out the fuel flow rate per minute given the diameter and the pressure to feed the fire in both cases. Additionally, I bet you could even look up on the net how to determine the thermal index of each resulting fire fed by that much fuel per second. If a transit lines goes, it will melt anyone outside having PE or doing sports to the ground in a matter of seconds and take half the MVHS building with it. An interior line will have to set the rest of the building on fire to start something massively catastrophic, unless people just ignore the gas smell for a long long time enough for it to build up inside... Internally, there are also these things called 'sprinklers' to contain a resulting fire inside (unless you get a blowout from a very long release of gas... which should have people evacuating WELL BEFORE THAT anyway as part of the emergency response plan). Yup, really equal risk there... Seriously, do you not know the differences, or do you think people here are ignorant? |
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