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Post by Arch on Mar 23, 2007 13:56:53 GMT -6
Shame on her parents for letting her wear it. I'll agree with that...If you agree to shame on any children's parents who let their kids wear pro-gay clothing. Personally I wouldn't my kids let either, school is not a place to promote sexuality or sexual views. I think both pro and anti things like that do not belong in K-12. That's what college campuses are for. So again, shame on the parents. |
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Post by steckmom on Mar 23, 2007 14:18:57 GMT -6
I agree that the 'Day of Silence' observation was not appropriate for high school.
However, being in favor of ending discrimination for homosexual individuals and being 'pro-gay' are two different things. In my opinion, anti-gay is not the alternative to being in favor for ending discrimination for homosexuals.
Not allowing students to wear anti-gay (or pro-gay for that matter) is appropriate.
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Post by blankcheck on Mar 23, 2007 18:08:26 GMT -6
What's good for the goose..... If you allow one side to express their opinion, you have to allow the other side as well. Our society is so PC. She is a Christian expressing her view point as well as any other. In reading the article, it sounded to me that the "Day of Silence" shirts were worn the day before. I think she has a valid argument.
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Post by Arch on Mar 23, 2007 19:17:32 GMT -6
2 wrongs don't make a right.
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Post by EagleDad on Apr 6, 2007 7:59:13 GMT -6
www.dailyherald.com/search/searchstory.asp?id=298445Deal in works over anti-gay T-shirt By Rob Olmstead Daily Herald Staff Writer Posted Thursday, April 05, 2007 The lawyers for a Naperville teen and Neuqua Valley High School are trying to hammer out an agreement that would let the student express her opposition to homosexuality on a T-shirt, the parties said in court Wednesday. Heidi Zamecnik, 17, and her parents sued Indian Prairie Unit District 204 March 21, alleging that last year students were allowed to wear shirts voicing support for tolerance of gays on a national “Day of Silence,” but that Zamecnik was censored the following day when she tried to wear a T-shirt that read “Be happy, not gay” in support of a competing “Day of Truth.” Zamecnik asked a federal court to enter an order forbidding the school from preventing her expression of her opinion this year on April 19, the date of this year’s “Day of Truth.” “We started some good discussion toward resolution of this matter,” Jonathan Scruggs, Zamecnik’s attorney, told U.S. District Judge William T. Hart. Jack Canna, the district’s attorney, confirmed that, but did not guarantee a resolution. He noted the district wants to know exactly what would be on the T-shirt Zamecnik wears. In case talks break down, Scruggs asked Hart to set a date to rule on the request before April 19, but Hart would not commit to that, noting that while time is of the essence, Scruggs’ client knew of the disagreement long ago but filed suit only recently. “In a sense, it’s an artificial pressure,” Hart said. “I can’t promise you a ruling by the 19th.” Still, Hart committed to trying. He ordered Scruggs to file by Friday a statement clearly indicating what Zamecnik’s shirt will say, and he ordered the parties to return to his court Wednesday for an update.
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Post by Arch on Apr 6, 2007 8:01:24 GMT -6
This is beyond silly.
Why not save all the time and money and instead of wearing a Tshirt just have Heidi walk around saying she hates gays?
Then again, maybe that's not what Jesus would do.
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Post by stellar1 on Apr 6, 2007 9:13:26 GMT -6
Didn't one of our aspiring school board candidates have reducing the number of lawsuits as part of their platform? From the last Candidates' Forum. I hadn't heard about this one until now but what a priviliged life one has if this is a major issue for them to deal with. Actually in the 3/15 forum L2 did mention cutting down on the amount of law suits in the district in response a question about providing more resources or something like that. Not sure specifcally what type of law suits she was referring to. Does anyone remember? |
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Post by jenrik2714 on Apr 6, 2007 12:21:15 GMT -6
Jesus would of loved both girls equally.
I am tired of the Christian Right trying to dictate morals to people in this country. They are no different than muslim terrorists in their fundamentalism. They are turning this country upside down.
How do you know that Jesus would of hated gay people?
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Post by Arch on Apr 6, 2007 12:26:23 GMT -6
Some seem to have missed the whole point about loving your enemies and my favorite: Whatsoever you do to the least of my people, that you do unto me.
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Post by momof3 on Apr 6, 2007 12:40:50 GMT -6
Jesus would of loved both girls equally. I am tired of the Christian Right trying to dictate morals to people in this country. They are no different than muslim terrorists in their fundamentalism. They are turning this country upside down. How do you know that Jesus would of hated gay people? Don't forget our friend Caulfield & his taypayer ticket friends over in 203 that want to ban science books that don't teach creationism. I was surprised to hear he is a member at Sts. Peter and Paul because the last time I checked, the pope affirmed that evolution is in line with the teachings of the Catholic Church. Maybe they are pandering to the far right fundamentalists? |
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Post by gatormom on Apr 18, 2007 11:27:01 GMT -6
Judge: School was right to ban anti-gay T-shirt www.suburbanchicagonews.com/napervillesun/news/345533,6_1_NA18_TSHIRT_S1.article April 18, 2007 By BRITT CARSON Staff Writer A federal judge ruled Tuesday that a Neuqua Valley High School student's controversial homemade T-shirts can be censored, siding with Indian Prairie School District 204. Federal Judge William T. Hart ruled in favor of the district supporting their school policy on student appearance. The lawsuit was filed by Neuqua students Heidi Zamecnik and Alex Nuxoll, alleging discrimination against their views on homosexuality. The lawsuit was in response to school officials refusing to sanction Zamecnik's anti-gay T-shirt last April. The homemade T-shirt read, "My day of silence, straight alliance," on the front and "Be happy, not gay," on the back. Hart said the decision is "recognizing that confrontations between students based on race, ethnicity, religion, or sexual orientation can seriously interfere with the educational mission of District 204's schools. The (school) board and school administrators have engaged in a considerable effort to create a positive and tolerant school environment with an emphasis on respectful attitudes and discourse." District 204 Superintendent Howie Crouse said the court's decision also noted the district was not trying to suppress the plantiff's views, but was "favoring tolerance," which the court determined was "... a reasonable promotion of the school's basic educational mission." Jonathan Scruggs, an attorney from the Alliance Defense Fund who represents Zamecnik, said he was disappointed by the court's ruling and they plan to appeal. "We respectfully disagree with the court's analysis," Scruggs said. "This is a complicated issue. We feel the school clearly violated the First Amendment rights of our clients." Zamecnik, who has strong religious beliefs, wore the shirt a day after the school had its annual Day of Silence, designed to promote tolerance of homosexuality. During the Day of Silence, students are allowed to not talk throughout the school day unless doing so interferes with their grades. Although the decision came in time for today's Day of Silence, Scruggs said he is unsure what Zamecnik's plans were for the day. The Day of Silence is sponsored by the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network, a national education organization that "strives to assure that each member of every school community is valued and respected regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity/expression," according to its Web site. |
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Post by jenrik2714 on Apr 18, 2007 11:37:57 GMT -6
My daughter participated in the day of silence today at WV. I had no problems with that. I also have no problems with opposing viewpoints either.
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Post by Arch on Apr 18, 2007 12:05:12 GMT -6
If one turns things around, I'm sure the attorney and the family would feel differently if IPSD allowed a teacher to project an anti-christian spiel in the classroom. IMO, the court made a correct decision. As parents, they should have taught her by now that HS is not the appropriate place to be promoting her dislike/hate/fear/whatever you want to call it of those that are different than her.
loops back around yet again to: Shame on the parents.
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Post by dpc on Apr 18, 2007 12:47:29 GMT -6
I could care less whether a person is straight, gay, bi, etc. What I do have a problem with is bringing the whole concept of one's sexuality into the schools. Our schools do not allow sexually provactive behaviour, tshirts and other stuff yet they allow the day of silence which is tied to one's sexual orientation. I say leave any kind of sexual reference (straight, gay, lesbian, bi) out of the schools.
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Post by jenrik2714 on Apr 18, 2007 13:17:27 GMT -6
They can't leave it out of school. They teach sex ed. Kids are more knowledgeable than ever about this. Sex is part of our culture. You see it on tv shows, it is all over. The innocent world of the 1950's is gone. I would rather have my kids have knowledge about this from school plus whatever we say as parents, than to have no sex ed and kids are having unprotected sex, getting pregnant, etc.
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