Post by casey on Dec 21, 2010 15:52:11 GMT -6
Sent to me by a friend. Ironically, I happened to catch 60 Minutes on Sunday. I couldn't help but cheer when Governor Christi spoke out.
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Public union pensioneers are set up nicely at present to receive $3-5 Million in pensions in many cases. That is 3-5 times more than oil companies pay to similarly compensated workers. And we still have politicians who say people want to pay more taxes. Not sure what study showed that, but with these kinds of revelations, we bet few tapayers want to give the government another dime to burn. In fact, any politician saying such things is disconnected from reality according to some folks. Perhaps they just want to make sure their own pension gets funded, so they can vacation in Cabo every year.
A public union employee was telling Governor Christi of NJ, that the governor was taking away compensation for her education, years of service, etc. His answer: "If you are not happy [with the proposed compensation changes], then go get a job somewhere else" [that compensates better].
Illinois is now the worst debtor state in the union. Legislator's staff are being thrown out of offices for not paying rent. Highway Patrol is being turned away from gas stations as are other dead beats. This was all on 60 minutes this past Sunday - how embarrassing for our fair state. But hey, they do not even care about that - and assume it will too pass....so business as usual in Illinois.
Link to editorial in SUN (reprinted below)
napervillesun.suntimes.com/opinions/2765597-474/government-pensions-tobin-public-administrators.html
Tobin right about pensions, but wrong about Edgar
Dec 14, 2010 02:37AM
Naperville Sun Editorial
The National Taxpayers United of Illinois — a self-proclaimed watchdog group that regularly blasts government expenditures — is right to unleash its latest salvo about government employee pensions.
As has been pointed out many times, the pensions of state and local government administrators, school district administrators, and even teachers are far outstripping not only the retirement money available in the private sector but also the ability of the taxpayers to continue to support such largesse.
This time, the organization’s target was public employee pensions in DuPage County.
NTUI pointed to pensions for government officials that were over $140,000 each at the high end and of school administrators in excess of $230,000.
James Tobin, the organization’s president, referred to many of these people as “pension millionaires,” and said a state trooper who retired at 50 years old with 25 years of service would collect $5 million in pension money if he lived to age 81.
A teacher with a salary of $100,000 — not unusual for teachers in DuPage — who retired at age 55 would collect $3 million if he lived to the same age.
Needless to say in the private sector, where pensions are almost unheard of these days and Social Security provides a small fraction of what public pensions pay out, the kind of largesse that government gives its workers is increasingly hard to justify.
NTUI’s call for government workers to pay into Social Security like private sector employees and to use 401(k) accounts to bolster that is well taken.
There was once a time when government workers were poorly paid and a good pension was offered to offset that. Now, with long-tenured teachers and government administrators easily making $100,000 a year and above, that time is long past.
As the recent flap over the city of Naperville’s police contract showed, unionized public workers not only command substantial salaries but can get relatively large wage increases (in this case 3 percent a year for three years) when in the private sector employees’ wages are frozen, or their salaries cut, or their jobs eliminated.
For the most part, we agree with what NTUI and Tobin have to say.
However, we part company when Tobin takes a gratuitous shot at former Gov. Jim Edgar, telling a group at a recent press conference that “This man never had an honest job in is life.”
Even though our state’s recent experience with past governors has been, shall we say, less than satisfactory, Edgar stands out as an honest, ethical, hard-working exception to the others.
It is also hypocritical of Tobin, who has sought state office, albeit unsuccessfully, himself to say that public service is not an honest job.
If so, why did Tobin seek it?
Government service can and should be an honest and even admirable calling, and Edgar is a good example of the sort of public servant we need more of in Illinois.
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Public union pensioneers are set up nicely at present to receive $3-5 Million in pensions in many cases. That is 3-5 times more than oil companies pay to similarly compensated workers. And we still have politicians who say people want to pay more taxes. Not sure what study showed that, but with these kinds of revelations, we bet few tapayers want to give the government another dime to burn. In fact, any politician saying such things is disconnected from reality according to some folks. Perhaps they just want to make sure their own pension gets funded, so they can vacation in Cabo every year.
A public union employee was telling Governor Christi of NJ, that the governor was taking away compensation for her education, years of service, etc. His answer: "If you are not happy [with the proposed compensation changes], then go get a job somewhere else" [that compensates better].
Illinois is now the worst debtor state in the union. Legislator's staff are being thrown out of offices for not paying rent. Highway Patrol is being turned away from gas stations as are other dead beats. This was all on 60 minutes this past Sunday - how embarrassing for our fair state. But hey, they do not even care about that - and assume it will too pass....so business as usual in Illinois.
Link to editorial in SUN (reprinted below)
napervillesun.suntimes.com/opinions/2765597-474/government-pensions-tobin-public-administrators.html
Tobin right about pensions, but wrong about Edgar
Dec 14, 2010 02:37AM
Naperville Sun Editorial
The National Taxpayers United of Illinois — a self-proclaimed watchdog group that regularly blasts government expenditures — is right to unleash its latest salvo about government employee pensions.
As has been pointed out many times, the pensions of state and local government administrators, school district administrators, and even teachers are far outstripping not only the retirement money available in the private sector but also the ability of the taxpayers to continue to support such largesse.
This time, the organization’s target was public employee pensions in DuPage County.
NTUI pointed to pensions for government officials that were over $140,000 each at the high end and of school administrators in excess of $230,000.
James Tobin, the organization’s president, referred to many of these people as “pension millionaires,” and said a state trooper who retired at 50 years old with 25 years of service would collect $5 million in pension money if he lived to age 81.
A teacher with a salary of $100,000 — not unusual for teachers in DuPage — who retired at age 55 would collect $3 million if he lived to the same age.
Needless to say in the private sector, where pensions are almost unheard of these days and Social Security provides a small fraction of what public pensions pay out, the kind of largesse that government gives its workers is increasingly hard to justify.
NTUI’s call for government workers to pay into Social Security like private sector employees and to use 401(k) accounts to bolster that is well taken.
There was once a time when government workers were poorly paid and a good pension was offered to offset that. Now, with long-tenured teachers and government administrators easily making $100,000 a year and above, that time is long past.
As the recent flap over the city of Naperville’s police contract showed, unionized public workers not only command substantial salaries but can get relatively large wage increases (in this case 3 percent a year for three years) when in the private sector employees’ wages are frozen, or their salaries cut, or their jobs eliminated.
For the most part, we agree with what NTUI and Tobin have to say.
However, we part company when Tobin takes a gratuitous shot at former Gov. Jim Edgar, telling a group at a recent press conference that “This man never had an honest job in is life.”
Even though our state’s recent experience with past governors has been, shall we say, less than satisfactory, Edgar stands out as an honest, ethical, hard-working exception to the others.
It is also hypocritical of Tobin, who has sought state office, albeit unsuccessfully, himself to say that public service is not an honest job.
If so, why did Tobin seek it?
Government service can and should be an honest and even admirable calling, and Edgar is a good example of the sort of public servant we need more of in Illinois.