A/C in the schools

[justme]

bob said:

And the solution would be, if it concerns the parents that much, the kids can go to Peterson or Owen.

Students can attend any 204 grade school, if that school has room for them.

I completely disagree. The more that I research the more encouraging the data supporting good air quality in ALL schools is. However, I will save the info. for the SB.

Like it has been stated again and again...take action and get involved if it means so much to you. Well it does and I will.

[wvhsparent]

204parent said:

All the schools in neighboring Naperville School District 203 are air conditioned.

And their test scores are higher...

There is absolutely no way you will ever get me to believe that AC had anything to do with that.

[doctorwho]

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204parent said:

All the schools in neighboring Naperville School District 203 are air conditioned.

And their test scores are higher...

And they take the standardized tests when ? This is really a stretch unless the effects linger for months.

All the HS are A/C - so what is the reason there.

Also if you look at the standardized test scores 9 of the top 13 ES are 204 between 203 and 204 - so this holds no water at all. Where are the rest of those 203 A/C schools - behind



SCHOOL ISAT % DISTRICT ST RANK
Highlands 0.838 203 13
Prairie 0.796 203 41
May Watts 0.784 204 47
Riverwoods 0.777 203 52
Fry 0.773 204 56
Clow 0.770 204 58
MeadowGlens0.776 203 65
White Eagle 0.753 204 86
Owen 0.750 204 95
Springbrook 0.747 204 97
Kendall 0.738 204 111
Brooks 0.737 204 118
Steck 0.736 204 121

[doctorwho]

justme said:

bob said:

And the solution would be, if it concerns the parents that much, the kids can go to Peterson or Owen.

Students can attend any 204 grade school, if that school has room for them.

I completely disagree. The more that I research the more encouraging the data supporting good air quality in ALL schools is. However, I will save the info. for the SB.

Like it has been stated again and again...take action and get involved if it means so much to you. Well it does and I will.

and I agree with that -- it's simple - will the voters of the district believe $15M for A/C is worth it to the schools -- a simple majority will win that. I think it's a tough sell financially right now - even though I would vote for it.

But have to be careful with some of the reasons I am readin here, equating A/C to higher test scores is not going to work. All of our MS and HS are A/C and 203 is still the higher scoring district - unless someone is going to claim the effects linger forever....a real stretch, few are going to buy that direct correlation.

[bob]

It is not just $15 million. There is also the cost of electricity to run the AC.

[Arch]

bob said:

It is not just $15 million. There is also the cost of electricity to run the AC.

Absolutely.. and things break and need repair and upkeep along the way too. That should all be factored in with some 'WOOPS!' cushion and put as a dollar figure for a vote.

[slt]

FWIW the column showed up in today's paper

www.suburbanchicagonews.com/beaconnews/lifestyles/545672,2_5_AU07_VVTATAR_S1.article

[204parent]

doctorwho said:

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204parent said:

And their test scores are higher...

And they take the standardized tests when ? This is really a stretch unless the effects linger for months.

All the HS are A/C - so what is the reason there.

Also if you look at the standardized test scores 9 of the top 13 ES are 204 between 203 and 204 - so this holds no water at all. Where are the rest of those 203 A/C schools - behind



SCHOOL ISAT % DISTRICT ST RANK
Highlands 0.838 203 13
Prairie 0.796 203 41
May Watts 0.784 204 47
Riverwoods 0.777 203 52
Fry 0.773 204 56
Clow 0.770 204 58
MeadowGlens0.776 203 65
White Eagle 0.753 204 86
Owen 0.750 204 95
Springbrook 0.747 204 97
Kendall 0.738 204 111
Brooks 0.737 204 118
Steck 0.736 204 121



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It has nothing to do with the temperature on testing day. It's all about a quality educational experience at an early age.

If you don't think it makes a difference, turn off the air conditioning in your office, and let me know how productive you are.

[doctorwho]

204parent said:

doctorwho said:

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And they take the standardized tests when ? This is really a stretch unless the effects linger for months.

All the HS are A/C - so what is the reason there.

Also if you look at the standardized test scores 9 of the top 13 ES are 204 between 203 and 204 - so this holds no water at all. Where are the rest of those 203 A/C schools - behind



SCHOOL ISAT % DISTRICT ST RANK
Highlands 0.838 203 13
Prairie 0.796 203 41
May Watts 0.784 204 47
Riverwoods 0.777 203 52
Fry 0.773 204 56
Clow 0.770 204 58
MeadowGlens0.776 203 65
White Eagle 0.753 204 86
Owen 0.750 204 95
Springbrook 0.747 204 97
Kendall 0.738 204 111
Brooks 0.737 204 118
Steck 0.736 204 121



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It has nothing to do with the temperature on testing day. It's all about a quality educational experience at an early age.

If you don't think it makes a difference, turn off the air conditioning in your office, and let me know how productive you are.[/quote]

then EXPLAIN to me why all the 203 schools are not ahead of all the 204 schools since they have A/C

and EXPLAIN to me why even though all the high schools are A/C their scores are higher

you are avoiding explaining your theory that A/C = higher scores -- I don't see it

[bob]

204parent said:

It has nothing to do with the temperature on testing day. It's all about a quality educational experience at an early age.

Exactly and AC has almost nothing to do with it. If AC was a major factor, then the southern states would be academic superior to the rest of the country.

[justme]

doctorwho said:

justme said:

I completely disagree. The more that I research the more encouraging the data supporting good air quality in ALL schools is. However, I will save the info. for the SB.

Like it has been stated again and again...take action and get involved if it means so much to you. Well it does and I will.

and I agree with that -- it's simple - will the voters of the district believe $15M for A/C is worth it to the schools -- a simple majority will win that. I think it's a tough sell financially right now - even though I would vote for it.

But have to be careful with some of the reasons I am readin here, equating A/C to higher test scores is not going to work. All of our MS and HS are A/C and 203 is still the higher scoring district - unless someone is going to claim the effects linger forever....a real stretch, few are going to buy that direct correlation.

I would agree about the testing correlation. It isn't proven and using that as an argument for AC will just muddle the issue and ensure that it won't pass. Sticking to documented facts is the best plan.

[justme]

archwinsome said:

bob said:

It is not just $15 million. There is also the cost of electricity to run the AC.

Absolutely.. and things break and need repair and upkeep along the way too. That should all be factored in with some 'WOOPS!' cushion and put as a dollar figure for a vote.

The referendum for MV didn't include operating or maintenence costs. Where was this logic there?

[doctorwho]

justme said:

doctorwho said:

and I agree with that -- it's simple - will the voters of the district believe $15M for A/C is worth it to the schools -- a simple majority will win that. I think it's a tough sell financially right now - even though I would vote for it.

But have to be careful with some of the reasons I am readin here, equating A/C to higher test scores is not going to work. All of our MS and HS are A/C and 203 is still the higher scoring district - unless someone is going to claim the effects linger forever....a real stretch, few are going to buy that direct correlation.

I would agree about the testing correlation. It isn't proven and using that as an argument for AC will just muddle the issue and ensure that it won't pass. Sticking to documented facts is the best plan.

I agree justme, as I will vote yes on a referendum for A/C - so I am only trying to help when I state the scores = AC argument will only confuse people and they will blow holes in that as easily as I did. I had these facts left from other work done - they are readily available.

If AC = scores - than Owen s/b the number 1 ISAT ES in 204 - it is not.

Stick to the health issues etc. =

[EagleDad]

justme said:

I found something more relevent.

"There are legal requirements that affect how schools deal
with students and staff who have asthma. Federal laws
(Individuals with Disabilities Education Act [IDEA] of 1997 and
Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973) require that schools
both promote the health, development and achievement of students
with asthma, where the disease interferes with their learning,
and remove “disability barriers” (e.g., poor indoor air quality)
that impede health, participation and achievement. The law
requires schools and parents to work together as partners to
develop and implement health plans to protect the welfare of
the child."

Hmmm... sound very legal to me and needs to be investigated (and yes, I will be doing just that).

Justme, please take a moment to link to the source of this information so that everyone can see the full context it is presented in if possible.

It is important to see if this comes from an actual legal source or is just a person's own interpretations somewhere on the internet (say a blog).

That said, the quote provided speaks only of air quality, not temperature, and leaves open the interpretation of what is a diability barrier. But, I wish you well on your mission, it appears to be something you are very passionate about and I resepect that (although I disagree).

[bob]

But, I wish you well on your mission, it appears to be something you are very passionate about and I resepect that

I concur.