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Post by Arch on Sept 16, 2007 19:53:59 GMT -6
Perfect for when everything is in bloom.. bring the outdoors indoors. Like I said earlier.. this is like the dangerous intersection that needs a traffic light. I am confused.... Do all of your kids go from your hermetically sealed homes, get into their environmental suits for the walk to the car, with all their HEPA filters, and then have to suffer thru a "unsterile" school environment? My kids play outside...ride bikes, go for walks...heck we even drive with our sunroof open (Could not afford a convertible). They are all fine. The biggest complaints I have heard was the heat and lack of airflow. Count your blessings that you have children that can participate and do everything you listed without any fear or concern for their health, breathing and overall well being at the end of (or throughout) the day. I know many families who are not in that position and would love to know what's its like one day. The multitude of children that suffer w/ allergies of various degrees from various triggers all have different tolerances. Lack of need to the extreme of a character played by a young John Travolta (The Boy in the Plastic Bubble) does not give the air quality in the elementary school a clean bill of health and you know it so why you would post such an insensitive thing is beyond me. |
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Post by harry on Sept 16, 2007 19:56:33 GMT -6
Perfect for when everything is in bloom.. bring the outdoors indoors. Like I said earlier.. this is like the dangerous intersection that needs a traffic light. I am confused.... Do all of your kids go from your hermetically sealed homes, get into their environmental suits for the walk to the car, with all their HEPA filters, and then have to suffer thru a "unsterile" school environment? My kids play outside...ride bikes, go for walks...heck we even drive with our sunroof open (Could not afford a convertible). They are all fine. The biggest complaints I have heard was the heat and lack of airflow. WHSP I am guessing that everyone of the people posting here regarding allergies/asthma has the following in their homes Windows that open Carpet Stuffed animals REAL ANIMALS Food loaded with additives Aeresol cans and let's their child go to homes with carpeting, stuffed animals go to homes with pets lets their child do outside sports ad infinitum I am with Dcyst and WVHS I will, however, vote for AC for the minorty if they, in turn, will do the following remove the carpets in their house, remove all stuffed animals not allow their kids to play outside sports, stop feeding their kids junk no cleaning products with aerosol cans And before any parent writes back about "if they remove the carpeting my child will suffer from...............(fill in the blank) I can provide a laundry list of things that you can and probably DON'T do in order to insure safety and utmost care for your child's issues My edit is this......Our generation is a blamer one. Unless and until we pull ourselves up by our bootstraps and, in the words of Spike Lee "Do the right thing"..we need to STOP asking the world to make amends for things we, ourselves, can do. |
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Post by southsidemom on Sept 16, 2007 20:04:41 GMT -6
I am confused.... Do all of your kids go from your hermetically sealed homes, get into their environmental suits for the walk to the car, with all their HEPA filters, and then have to suffer thru a "unsterile" school environment? My kids play outside...ride bikes, go for walks...heck we even drive with our sunroof open (Could not afford a convertible). They are all fine. The biggest complaints I have heard was the heat and lack of airflow. WHSP I am guessing that everyone of the people posting here regarding allergies/asthma has the following in their homes Windows that open Carpet Stuffed animals REAL ANIMALS Food loaded with additives Aeresol cans and let's their child go to homes with carpeting, stuffed animals go to homes with pets lets their child do outside sports ad infinitum I am with Dcyst and WVHS I will, however, vote for AC for the minorty if they, in turn, will do the following remove the carpets in their house, remove all stuffed animals not allow their kids to play outside sports, stop feeding their kids junk no cleaning products with aerosol cans And before any parent writes back about "if they remove the carpeting my child will suffer from...............(fill in the blank) I can provide a laundry list of things that you can and probably DON'T do in order to insure safety and utmost care for your child's issues I do recall starting the thread on the discussion on lack of air quality in the ES. But I also recall that the thread was closed since we seemed to be belaboring the same debate over and over. Perhaps we need to place less energy into debating on this blog and put our time to better use by working with those that are already gathering information for the SB. That is what I have done and suggest all others that are passionate about this do the same. And the back and forth sarcasm is a waste of time. I agree with your latest comment post Arch. |
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Post by wvhsparent on Sept 16, 2007 20:29:23 GMT -6
I am confused.... Do all of your kids go from your hermetically sealed homes, get into their environmental suits for the walk to the car, with all their HEPA filters, and then have to suffer thru a "unsterile" school environment? My kids play outside...ride bikes, go for walks...heck we even drive with our sunroof open (Could not afford a convertible). They are all fine. The biggest complaints I have heard was the heat and lack of airflow. Count your blessings that you have children that can participate and do everything you listed without any fear or concern for their health, breathing and overall well being at the end of (or throughout) the day. I know many families who are not in that position and would love to know what's its like one day. The multitude of children that suffer w/ allergies of various degrees from various triggers all have different tolerances. Lack of need to the extreme of a character played by a young John Travolta (The Boy in the Plastic Bubble) does not give the air quality in the elementary school a clean bill of health and you know it so why you would post such an insensitive thing is beyond me. My point is (not trying to be insensitive at all BTW) there are sooooo many places our children go everyday, where they are exposed to things (nature) all the time. My son had exersice induced asthma, but has outgrown it. AC is not the cure all to those ills. Yes it helps, but IMHO only a very little bit. I have allergies too...Go from my AC home to My AC car to my AC work...guess what my allergies still bother me. The return on the investment is too small. Other options need to be utilized first. The info/arguments so far are not convincing enough to me yet. sorry. |
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Post by doctorwho on Sept 16, 2007 20:36:53 GMT -6
WHSP I am guessing that everyone of the people posting here regarding allergies/asthma has the following in their homes Windows that open Carpet Stuffed animals REAL ANIMALS Food loaded with additives Aeresol cans and let's their child go to homes with carpeting, stuffed animals go to homes with pets lets their child do outside sports ad infinitum I am with Dcyst and WVHS I will, however, vote for AC for the minorty if they, in turn, will do the following remove the carpets in their house, remove all stuffed animals not allow their kids to play outside sports, stop feeding their kids junk no cleaning products with aerosol cans And before any parent writes back about "if they remove the carpeting my child will suffer from...............(fill in the blank) I can provide a laundry list of things that you can and probably DON'T do in order to insure safety and utmost care for your child's issues I do recall starting the thread on the discussion on lack of air quality in the ES. But I also recall that the thread was closed since we seemed to be belaboring the same debate over and over. Perhaps we need to place less energy into debating on this blog and put our time to better use by working with those that are already gathering information for the SB. That is what I have done and suggest all others that are passionate about this do the same. And the back and forth sarcasm is a waste of time. I agree with your latest comment post Arch. Already part of the same group.... |
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Post by Arch on Sept 16, 2007 20:45:07 GMT -6
I'm don't believe anyone made the assertion that indoor climate control *CURES* allergies.
They are something you have to deal with and minimize the triggers as much as possible. If you're lucky you have the ones that make your eyes puffy and watery and your nose run. Others have to have that emergency inhaler on hand not only for a asthma attack but also for the gradual slowdown the body will do from constricting airways that slowly choke off your oxygen exchange potential until you are so tired you feel like you are going to pass out (from lack of O2). Both are triggered. One is usually a trigger that suddenly hits, the other is from being in bad air for an extended period of time.
I find it odd that some look at this as some ROI. I personally just look at it as a simple obligation to provide a safe clean environment for learning. ROI to me implies willing to take some risk versus benefits where those risks are capital and health.
You're right, and we agree AC is not the single answer. If we're going to do anything about it then it should include doing something about temperature, humidity and air quality. Just slapping in a blower a chiller and a compressor doesn't address them all.
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Post by harry on Sept 16, 2007 21:03:09 GMT -6
I'm don't believe anyone made the assertion that indoor climate control *CURES* allergies. They are something you have to deal with and minimize the triggers as much as possible. If you're lucky you have the ones that make your eyes puffy and watery and your nose run. Others have to have that emergency inhaler on hand not only for a asthma attack but also for the gradual slowdown the body will do from constricting airways that slowly choke off your oxygen exchange potential until you are so tired you feel like you are going to pass out (from lack of O2). Both are triggered. One is usually a trigger that suddenly hits, the other is from being in bad air for an extended period of time. I find it odd that some look at this as some ROI. I personally just look at it as a simple obligation to provide a safe clean environment for learning. ROI to me implies willing to take some risk versus benefits where those risks are capital and health. You're right, and we agree AC is not the single answer. If we're going to do anything about it then it should include doing something about temperature, humidity and air quality. Just slapping in a blower a chiller and a compressor doesn't address them all. I'll vote for elimination of school triggers (1/3 of a student's time spent) if parents eliminate at-home triggers (2/3 of a student's time spent) |
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Post by wvhsparent on Sept 16, 2007 21:15:25 GMT -6
I'm don't believe anyone made the assertion that indoor climate control *CURES* allergies. They are something you have to deal with and minimize the triggers as much as possible. If you're lucky you have the ones that make your eyes puffy and watery and your nose run. Others have to have that emergency inhaler on hand not only for a asthma attack but also for the gradual slowdown the body will do from constricting airways that slowly choke off your oxygen exchange potential until you are so tired you feel like you are going to pass out (from lack of O2). Both are triggered. One is usually a trigger that suddenly hits, the other is from being in bad air for an extended period of time. I find it odd that some look at this as some ROI. I personally just look at it as a simple obligation to provide a safe clean environment for learning. ROI to me implies willing to take some risk versus benefits where those risks are capital and health. You're right, and we agree AC is not the single answer. If we're going to do anything about it then it should include doing something about temperature, humidity and air quality. Just slapping in a blower a chiller and a compressor doesn't address them all. I'll vote for elimination of school triggers (1/3 of a student's time spent) if parents eliminate at-home triggers (2/3 of a student's time spent) Actually harry, if they had a child that had real bad problems, I am sure they would do all that they could on the homefront for that very reason. |
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Post by wvhsparent on Sept 16, 2007 21:17:36 GMT -6
I'm don't believe anyone made the assertion that indoor climate control *CURES* allergies. They are something you have to deal with and minimize the triggers as much as possible. If you're lucky you have the ones that make your eyes puffy and watery and your nose run. Others have to have that emergency inhaler on hand not only for a asthma attack but also for the gradual slowdown the body will do from constricting airways that slowly choke off your oxygen exchange potential until you are so tired you feel like you are going to pass out (from lack of O2). Both are triggered. One is usually a trigger that suddenly hits, the other is from being in bad air for an extended period of time. I find it odd that some look at this as some ROI. I personally just look at it as a simple obligation to provide a safe clean environment for learning. ROI to me implies willing to take some risk versus benefits where those risks are capital and health. You're right, and we agree AC is not the single answer. If we're going to do anything about it then it should include doing something about temperature, humidity and air quality. Just slapping in a blower a chiller and a compressor doesn't address them all. Then you and I have intrepreted the postings here and the SB presentations differently. |
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Post by harry on Sept 16, 2007 21:46:53 GMT -6
I'll vote for elimination of school triggers (1/3 of a student's time spent) if parents eliminate at-home triggers (2/3 of a student's time spent) Actually harry, if they had a child that had real bad problems, I am sure they would do all that they could on the homefront for that very reason. wvhs I get my info from my profession as well as watching my neighbors blatently disregard what is needed for their affected children. All of the things I mention (animals, stuffed or otherwise, carpets, open windows, neat freaks, crappy food diets, on and on) occur in households where children have compromised immune systems. Yet these are the parents who want to retro fit our schools for an exhorbitant amount of money with AC/filters when they do not hold themselves to these very standards. Don't believe me?? Then why has no poster refuted what, scratch that, challenged what I have to say??? I rest my case. I find the irony in this less than intelligent. |
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Post by Arch on Sept 16, 2007 21:57:55 GMT -6
Actually harry, if they had a child that had real bad problems, I am sure they would do all that they could on the homefront for that very reason. wvhs I get my info from my profession as well as watching my neighbors blatently disregard what is needed for their affected children. All of the things I mention (animals, stuffed or otherwise, carpets, open windows, neat freaks, crappy food diets, on and on) occur in households where children have compromised immune systems. Yet these are the parents who want to retro fit our schools for an exhorbitant amount of money with AC/filters when they do not hold themselves to these very standards. Don't believe me?? Then why has no poster refuted what, scratch that, challenged what I have to say??? I rest my case. I find the irony in this less than intelligent. I find the opposite observation. The ones I know ripped out their rugs and put in all hardwood floors, have no pets and are on modified diets per their child's allergist's advice. We obviously have different neighbors and your generalizations are simply that. |
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Post by harry on Sept 16, 2007 22:04:24 GMT -6
wvhs I get my info from my profession as well as watching my neighbors blatently disregard what is needed for their affected children. All of the things I mention (animals, stuffed or otherwise, carpets, open windows, neat freaks, crappy food diets, on and on) occur in households where children have compromised immune systems. Yet these are the parents who want to retro fit our schools for an exhorbitant amount of money with AC/filters when they do not hold themselves to these very standards. Don't believe me?? Then why has no poster refuted what, scratch that, challenged what I have to say??? I rest my case. I find the irony in this less than intelligent. I find the opposite observation. The ones I know ripped out their rugs and put in all hardwood floors, have no pets and are on modified diets per their child's allergist's advice. We obviously have different neighbors and your generalizations are simply that. Arch With all due respect,,I am in the biz and see it daily. And, Since you are not one of those families with issues and have done preventative measures...this board will wait to hear the 'from the heart' stories from the other 202 posters here,,,, Thank you tho, for your ..........answer. |
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Post by Arch on Sept 16, 2007 22:36:56 GMT -6
I find the opposite observation. The ones I know ripped out their rugs and put in all hardwood floors, have no pets and are on modified diets per their child's allergist's advice. We obviously have different neighbors and your generalizations are simply that. Arch With all due respect,,I am in the biz and see it daily. And, Since you are not one of those families with issues and have done preventative measures...this board will wait to hear the 'from the heart' stories from the other 202 posters here,,,, Thank you tho, for your ..........answer. I'm sorry that you have to work and deal with non complaint parents in those regards. Perhaps the segment you have to deal with is but only a subset of those that are out there with children with these conditions. |
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Post by harry on Sept 16, 2007 22:49:11 GMT -6
Arch With all due respect,,I am in the biz and see it daily. And, Since you are not one of those families with issues and have done preventative measures...this board will wait to hear the 'from the heart' stories from the other 202 posters here,,,, Thank you tho, for your ..........answer. I'm sorry that you have to work and deal with non complaint parents in those regards. Perhaps the segment you have to deal with is but only a subset of those that are out there with children with these conditions. There is no subset...they are all guilty as charged No parent that I have known has followed their doctors orders to the letter and that is what I take issue with |
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Post by Arch on Sept 16, 2007 23:52:21 GMT -6
I'm sorry that you have to work and deal with non complaint parents in those regards. Perhaps the segment you have to deal with is but only a subset of those that are out there with children with these conditions. There is no subset...they are all guilty as charged No parent that I have known has followed their doctors orders to the letter and that is what I take issue with Perhaps all the parents *YOU* deal with have not, but I would suspect that you have not dealt with *ALL* parents in the district. |
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