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Post by doctorwho on Apr 20, 2007 8:30:11 GMT -6
.... To say that the above post was the most intelligent posting you have read is almost comical! Anyone can ask 'What If's  ' , Looking to facts and comparable situations and then drawing educated conclusions seems like a much more intelligent approach to me. Also, what basis is used for believing that the sb will over pay for the BB land? What appraisals/comparisons are used to come to that conclusion? Or is is pure negativity and speculation? It's FUD, actually. Not sure of the purpose. Elections are 2 years away. And, if you ask these folks what the solutions are, or if they've contacted the SB with their questions, concerns, and presumptions, you just hear silence. Lots of energy is being spent here complaining & worrying - I think it could put to better use. because it's way easier to complain than actually get involved and do something about an issue. If one has no involvement, they can blame everyone who does... look at the voter turnout -- |
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Post by momof3 on Apr 20, 2007 8:55:25 GMT -6
because it's way easier to complain than actually get involved and do something about an issue. If one has no involvement, they can blame everyone who does... look at the voter turnout -- And of the voters that turn out, how many of them take the time to actually inform themselves about what they are voting about? Unfortunately, the uninformed vote counts just as much as an informed one. So, when it surprised you on the ballot, did you vote no? You are correct. I voted no, since I didn't know why they wanted 68 million. |
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Post by Arch on Apr 20, 2007 8:59:23 GMT -6
Another suggestion:
Run for the school board yourself, or back candidates who have the same or similar point of view. Let the voters of the district decide if that's the direction we want to go or if they're happy with the job done thus far (all things considered) with the current members.
Oh wait, that already happened... voila! History!
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Post by warriorpride on Apr 20, 2007 9:17:25 GMT -6
never claimed to be nor would I ever want to join the utter implosion that continues to occur It's all speculation, hand wringing Nothing will be happening until it happens and no one knows when that will be despite posters 'self importance' on this board o' few hey ric and sd204taxpayer, Can you please tell us the purpose of your continued posts here? to take out your anger about the 06 and 07 election results? to show us how many of us on this board are stupid & naive (and how much smarter and savvy you are)? to tell us how horrible 204 is and how horrible the SB is? just to be contrarian? to tell us all how we're not fiscally responsible & you're as mad as hell about it? to try to work us all up in a frenzy worried about 100 'what if' scenarios? Do you think that posting the same thing over and over and over and over will accomplish something tangible? If so, you're the one that's stupid & naive. You're not going to change anyone's mind, nor are you actually getting anything accomplished in the district - once you've achieved something for 204, give us a call. |
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Post by doctorwho on Apr 20, 2007 9:20:44 GMT -6
well at least the repeating of the 10's of thousands of unhappy voters in the district and how out of touch some of us are, has ended.
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Post by doctorwho on Apr 20, 2007 9:24:29 GMT -6
because it's way easier to complain than actually get involved and do something about an issue. If one has no involvement, they can blame everyone who does... look at the voter turnout -- And of the voters that turn out, how many of them take the time to actually inform themselves about what they are voting about? Unfortunately, the uninformed vote counts just as much as an informed one. You are correct. I voted no, since I didn't know why they wanted 68 million. Far more are informed than 2 years ago.....but not enough, I agree. |
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Post by ric on Apr 20, 2007 10:12:26 GMT -6
hey ric and sd204taxpayer, Can you please tell us the purpose of your continued posts here? to take out your anger about the 06 and 07 election results? to show us how many of us on this board are stupid & naive (and how much smarter and savvy you are)? to tell us how horrible 204 is and how horrible the SB is? just to be contrarian? to tell us all how we're not fiscally responsible & you're as mad as hell about it? to try to work us all up in a frenzy worried about 100 'what if' scenarios? Do you think that posting the same thing over and over and over and over will accomplish something tangible? If so, you're the one that's stupid & naive. You're not going to change anyone's mind, nor are you actually getting anything accomplished in the district - once you've achieved something for 204, give us a call. It's a free world warriorpride even under the current regime Out of my 'archive' i pulled up your post swearing to ignore me. please do so back on topic where is the quick take proceedings as of today??? curious as ever |
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Post by doctorwho on Apr 20, 2007 10:19:25 GMT -6
hey ric and sd204taxpayer, Can you please tell us the purpose of your continued posts here? to take out your anger about the 06 and 07 election results? to show us how many of us on this board are stupid & naive (and how much smarter and savvy you are)? to tell us how horrible 204 is and how horrible the SB is? just to be contrarian? to tell us all how we're not fiscally responsible & you're as mad as hell about it? to try to work us all up in a frenzy worried about 100 'what if' scenarios? Do you think that posting the same thing over and over and over and over will accomplish something tangible? If so, you're the one that's stupid & naive. You're not going to change anyone's mind, nor are you actually getting anything accomplished in the district - once you've achieved something for 204, give us a call. It's a free world warriorpride even under the current regime Out of my 'archive' i pulled up your post swearing to ignore me. please do so back on topic where is the quick take proceedings as of today??? curious as ever Since you choose to belittle anyone who might have any 'insight' and of course we know no one does  , you can check the status for yourself with this link to the bill hb0153 www.ilga.gov/legislation/billstatus.asp?DocNum=0153&GAID=9&GA=95&DocTypeID=HB&LegID=26774&SessionID=51 |
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Post by driven on Apr 20, 2007 10:58:59 GMT -6
sd204taxpayer: I agree that your post was well thought out and well written. I also have MANY of the same concerns. However, these questions have been posted on this board time and time again with no suitable answers. Just ... "no one can predict the future". Why do we study history in school? So that we do not continue to make the same mistake over and over. All one has to do is look at the financial planning history of this SB to see our future. But I caution you to not bring up history on this board. Ever since the boundary decision, it's basically irrelevent. Or one can look at the financial rating of this SD as well as the expenditures per student and learn from that 'history' also, but of course that is irrelevant. I stated "financial planning history" as I am sure you are well aware. I don't believe (and, among many other issues, an empty $11 million school supports) that this district has been very good at financial planning. Thank the Lord that this district has such fabulously involved parents, terrific educators, and excellent students. That is why, despite disagreeing with many on this board, I stay in this district. The paid administrators are not my concern. The SB is. "Historically", I believe I have been very clear on this topic. No spin needed. I do not just "complain". I attend SB meetings, I discuss issues with my neighbors, and I vote. I also support the principals, teachers, and staff at the schools my children attend. What I absolutely do not do is just sit around and complain. |
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Post by bob on Apr 20, 2007 11:05:04 GMT -6
Let me get this right, your mad because we took advantage of a building grant given by the State and built Peterson. Our property taxes did not pay for Peterson. So instead of taking that grant, you would rather have pay for it.
Next fall the school will be used and Wheatland will used to expand the Pre K and save the SD money in storage costs.
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Post by doctorwho on Apr 20, 2007 11:11:53 GMT -6
Or one can look at the financial rating of this SD as well as the expenditures per student and learn from that 'history' also, but of course that is irrelevant. I stated "financial planning history" as I am sure you are well aware. I don't believe (and, among many other issues, an empty $11 million school supports) that this district has been very good at financial planning. Thank the Lord that this district has such fabulously involved parents, terrific educators, and excellent students. That is why, despite disagreeing with many on this board, I stay in this district. The paid administrators are not my concern. The SB is. "Historically", I believe I have been very clear on this topic. No spin needed. I do not just "complain". I attend SB meetings, I discuss issues with my neighbors, and I vote. I also support the principals, teachers, and staff at the schools my children attend. What I absolutely do not do is just sit around and complain. so as you've done your history - and discussed the topics -- take another look at your notes on Peterson & explain your thoughts please on the $11M school - as I don't have to repeat again what Bob has just posted and has been covered here and multiple places. So your neighbors agree that we should have had a referendum for the school today or tomorrow instead ? Fiscally responsible ? |
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Post by bob on Apr 20, 2007 11:14:26 GMT -6
You keep blaming the SB for it's past, but the problem the SB isn't the same entity as it was 4 years ago. There are 4 members that have been on the board less than 2 years.
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Post by JB on Apr 20, 2007 11:16:47 GMT -6
I stated "financial planning history" as I am sure you are well aware. I don't believe (and, among many other issues, an empty $11 million school supports) that this district has been very good at financial planning. To which school were you referring? Peterson? The school built by state construction grant money, sitting in the middle of a development, which will house former Wheatland students next year? Just checking  You can't order schools on eBay. Would it have been a better "financial plan" to pass on the state construction grant, wait until all the homes were built, looked at our overcrowded schools and THEN said, "Yep, we need another school. Too bad there's no land left" If we were truly bad at financial planning, the bond market would have told us long ago. |
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Post by warriorpride on Apr 20, 2007 11:22:40 GMT -6
hey ric and sd204taxpayer, Can you please tell us the purpose of your continued posts here? to take out your anger about the 06 and 07 election results? to show us how many of us on this board are stupid & naive (and how much smarter and savvy you are)? to tell us how horrible 204 is and how horrible the SB is? just to be contrarian? to tell us all how we're not fiscally responsible & you're as mad as hell about it? to try to work us all up in a frenzy worried about 100 'what if' scenarios? Do you think that posting the same thing over and over and over and over will accomplish something tangible? If so, you're the one that's stupid & naive. You're not going to change anyone's mind, nor are you actually getting anything accomplished in the district - once you've achieved something for 204, give us a call. It's a free world warriorpride even under the current regime Out of my 'archive' i pulled up your post swearing to ignore me. please do so back on topic where is the quick take proceedings as of today??? curious as ever It's a free world, but people need to play by some reasonable rules, too. Still waiting for your answers to my questions - or your solutions to all of the "problems", real or percieved. chirp ... chirp ... chirp |
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Post by sd204taxpayer on Apr 20, 2007 11:29:27 GMT -6
hey ric and sd204taxpayer, Can you please tell us the purpose of your continued posts here? to take out your anger about the 06 and 07 election results? to show us how many of us on this board are stupid & naive (and how much smarter and savvy you are)? to tell us how horrible 204 is and how horrible the SB is? just to be contrarian? to tell us all how we're not fiscally responsible & you're as mad as hell about it? to try to work us all up in a frenzy worried about 100 'what if' scenarios? Do you think that posting the same thing over and over and over and over will accomplish something tangible? If so, you're the one that's stupid & naive. You're not going to change anyone's mind, nor are you actually getting anything accomplished in the district - once you've achieved something for 204, give us a call. my purpose here is to point out that the sb is rolling the dice on the value of the property and the taxpayers expense - they are confident and so is BB. I believe the cost will come in somewhere in the middle which will blow the $124m referendum. I am active, i do my best to stay informed, and i go out and vote. |
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