District seeks authority to "quick take" BB Land

[Arch]

Ric, you're making yourself more and more irrelevant with each post, it seems.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not entirely sure how to get a point across because you are all over the map hoping ANYTHING sticks to the wall.

[ric]

doctorwho said:

ric said:

A few points

first off let me clarify

your GPA may get you in the door of your first job...

And then??? You best have the goods to back it up

Also, I don't want to even raise the issue that America, due to us losing the global competition on 'smarts' have decided it 'overgrade' to make us 'look better' as compared to the rest of the world. If you want to be enlightened,,,google it or ask any college professor.

Of course you would like to sweep the referendum Title I children issue under the carpet. I expected that from a few. It didn't go away, it didn't get fixed and it is blatently ignored and so is the evil step child WVHS as pointed out by our own virtuous Howie Crouse.

Rose colored glasses you continue to wear.

and a hugh P.S.

If you believe that dist 204 is diverse, you are clearly mistaken

Where on earth did you get from my post that I want to sweep Title 1 kids under the carpet? If you want to make you point go ahead and make it but don't use me to make your point ....I grew up a title 1 kid ( if there would have been such a label in the day ) - so save your baloney rhetoric for someone else. I have no idea what you reasoning is for posts like this, but really, make a point you can back up instead of nonsense.

And you keep making your points ( whatever they may be ) - about WVHS -- I am a huge supporter and parent of an alum - so why direct that at me ? - unless you think you're so clever as to really tick me off to get me banned from the board with my response. I wouldn't waste my opportunity to contribute for that.

Any newsflash- your definition of diverse is your own...does a district have to be more than 50% minority to be diverse? I don't think so -- but if it bothers you so much why did you move here ? There are over 100 dialects represented at Hill middle school, what definition would that be ?

And duh, you have to back it up after you get in, but getting in is the trick isn't it ? Many with poor GPA's never get that opportunity, maybe because people tell them their GPA doesn't matter. You keep coming across as someone with a HUGE chip on your shoulder - but your misdirected anger makes no sense.

You also seem to have an issue with grades in general, there are but one indicator, but they can't be dismissed either. As for overgrading, many college professors would be insulted by your allegations. And just like the 'majority' of people you see as upset in this area - I doubt highly the majority of professors would risk their reputations , especially anyone who is tenured, as they have job security anyway. Just another wild accusation with no proof.

I'll stick with the original thought

grades mean nothing or you would know mine and vice versa

lots of people grew up as Title I kids and then go on to say 'if I can make it, so can you. It is a different world out there today than 35 years ago

everyone's opinion is just that

the facts, however, show dist 204 as not representative of the US of A to start with

and if you knew the grading system in america, you would know that I speak the truth..ask any professor

chip??
No chip, just pointing out what you hide behind

[doctorwho]

ric said:

doctorwho said:

Where on earth did you get from my post that I want to sweep Title 1 kids under the carpet? If you want to make you point go ahead and make it but don't use me to make your point ....I grew up a title 1 kid ( if there would have been such a label in the day ) - so save your baloney rhetoric for someone else. I have no idea what you reasoning is for posts like this, but really, make a point you can back up instead of nonsense.

And you keep making your points ( whatever they may be ) - about WVHS -- I am a huge supporter and parent of an alum - so why direct that at me ? - unless you think you're so clever as to really tick me off to get me banned from the board with my response. I wouldn't waste my opportunity to contribute for that.

Any newsflash- your definition of diverse is your own...does a district have to be more than 50% minority to be diverse? I don't think so -- but if it bothers you so much why did you move here ? There are over 100 dialects represented at Hill middle school, what definition would that be ?

And duh, you have to back it up after you get in, but getting in is the trick isn't it ? Many with poor GPA's never get that opportunity, maybe because people tell them their GPA doesn't matter. You keep coming across as someone with a HUGE chip on your shoulder - but your misdirected anger makes no sense.

You also seem to have an issue with grades in general, there are but one indicator, but they can't be dismissed either. As for overgrading, many college professors would be insulted by your allegations. And just like the 'majority' of people you see as upset in this area - I doubt highly the majority of professors would risk their reputations , especially anyone who is tenured, as they have job security anyway. Just another wild accusation with no proof.

I'll stick with the original thought

grades mean nothing or you would know mine and vice versa

lots of people grew up as Title I kids and then go on to say 'if I can make it, so can you. It is a different world out there today than 35 years ago

everyone's opinion is just that

the facts, however, show dist 204 as not representative of the US of A to start with

and if you knew the grading system in america, you would know that I speak the truth..ask any professor

chip??
No chip, just pointing out what you hide behind

I hide behind nothing , which is exactly the net sum of your argument here.

Who said anything about being representative of the USA ? That is not a definition of diversity - but feel free to change your points anytime mid stream - because as usual they are wrong again.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_demographics_of_the_United_States

Perhaps you need to talk to some of your professor friends -- here is the makeup of the US 2000 census: Tell me where the major difference is ?

Okay , now you can change the subject again --!! Tell me again 204 isn't representative of the diversity of the country-- what country are you looking at again ? So what facts show this is not representative of the US of A ? You might actually want to check a few of those before spouting off again. I'll hold off grading this effort since you have a tough time accepting grades -- or facts.


U.S. 2000 Census

69.1 % Caucasian
12.5% Hispanic
12.3 % Black
3.7% Asian
2.4% Multi racial

Here is District 204:

68.0% Caucasian
6.1 % Hispanic
8.6% Black
14.2% Asian
2.9% Multi Racial



www.suntimes.com/pcds/html/schools/2006/cache/WAUBONSIEVALLEYHIGHINDIANPRAIRIECUSD204.html


I'll help you here, scroll down to the district numbers at the bottom....

And as far as the world being different 35 years ago - yes it was, but if you think being poor was different 35 years ago -- you are wrong again as usual. Yeah I had it real easy, as did all the other poor kids -- you really have a chip so large it blinds you to facts.

[bob]

From QT to the the makeup of our SD and country.

[ric]

doctorwho said:

ric said:

I'll stick with the original thought

grades mean nothing or you would know mine and vice versa

lots of people grew up as Title I kids and then go on to say 'if I can make it, so can you. It is a different world out there today than 35 years ago

everyone's opinion is just that

the facts, however, show dist 204 as not representative of the US of A to start with

and if you knew the grading system in america, you would know that I speak the truth..ask any professor

chip??
No chip, just pointing out what you hide behind

I hide behind nothing , which is exactly the net sum of your argument here.

Who said anything about being representative of the USA ? That is not a definition of diversity - but feel free to change your points anytime mid stream - because as usual they are wrong again.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_demographics_of_the_United_States

Perhaps you need to talk to some of your professor friends -- here is the makeup of the US 2000 census: Tell me where the major difference is ?

Okay , now you can change the subject again --!! Tell me again 204 isn't representative of the diversity of the country-- what country are you looking at again ? So what facts show this is not representative of the US of A ? You might actually want to check a few of those before spouting off again. I'll hold off grading this effort since you have a tough time accepting grades -- or facts.


U.S. 2000 Census

69.1 % Caucasian
12.5% Hispanic
12.3 % Black
3.7% Asian
2.4% Multi racial

Here is District 204:

68.0% Caucasian
6.1 % Hispanic
8.6% Black
14.2% Asian
2.9% Multi Racial



www.suntimes.com/pcds/html/schools/2006/cache/WAUBONSIEVALLEYHIGHINDIANPRAIRIECUSD204.html


I'll help you here, scroll down to the district numbers at the bottom....

And as far as the world being different 35 years ago - yes it was, but if you think being poor was different 35 years ago -- you are wrong again as usual. Yeah I had it real easy, as did all the other poor kids -- you really have a chip so large it blinds you to facts.

Dr. Did you really pull the race card out??

Surely you don't believe that that was the only thing that I speak of when using the word diverse...

how about

families living below the povery lines??
homeless families
uneducated adults??
ESL parents??
gay and lesbians families
gay and lesbian students??
religions ??
diversity of politics???

Counting colors is just one subset of diversity and though dist 204 might be color friendly, it doesn't compare otherwise

[Arch]

What does this have to do with the school board?

It's the people's choice to move here or not and if they move here it is their choice to take advantage of the public school system or not.

Did you possibly want a Plan B site to be in Princeton, IL or something? How does this 'diversity' relate to BB and how is it any function of the school board?

[bob]

Don't we have a diversity thread ?

[doctorwho]

ric said:

doctorwho said:

I hide behind nothing , which is exactly the net sum of your argument here.

Who said anything about being representative of the USA ? That is not a definition of diversity - but feel free to change your points anytime mid stream - because as usual they are wrong again.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_demographics_of_the_United_States

Perhaps you need to talk to some of your professor friends -- here is the makeup of the US 2000 census: Tell me where the major difference is ?

Okay , now you can change the subject again --!! Tell me again 204 isn't representative of the diversity of the country-- what country are you looking at again ? So what facts show this is not representative of the US of A ? You might actually want to check a few of those before spouting off again. I'll hold off grading this effort since you have a tough time accepting grades -- or facts.


U.S. 2000 Census

69.1 % Caucasian
12.5% Hispanic
12.3 % Black
3.7% Asian
2.4% Multi racial

Here is District 204:

68.0% Caucasian
6.1 % Hispanic
8.6% Black
14.2% Asian
2.9% Multi Racial



www.suntimes.com/pcds/html/schools/2006/cache/WAUBONSIEVALLEYHIGHINDIANPRAIRIECUSD204.html


I'll help you here, scroll down to the district numbers at the bottom....

And as far as the world being different 35 years ago - yes it was, but if you think being poor was different 35 years ago -- you are wrong again as usual. Yeah I had it real easy, as did all the other poor kids -- you really have a chip so large it blinds you to facts.

Dr. Did you really pull the race card out??

Surely you don't believe that that was the only thing that I speak of when using the word diverse...

how about

families living below the povery lines??
homeless families
uneducated adults??
ESL parents??
gay and lesbians families
gay and lesbian students??
religions ??
diversity of politics???

Counting colors is just one subset of diversity and though dist 204 might be color friendly, it doesn't compare otherwise

No one is playing a race card ( except maybe you by trying to turn factual data into that ) - tell me where you get stats on all the stuff you are back peddling on now. These stats I provided are readily available and show our district to be representative of the US. My guess is on the majority of the sub divisions you mention we are very close. No we likely have a lower homeless number -- and a lower below the poverty line number but again what is your point ? No one location is an EXACT match for an average of anything - that's why they call it an average .

You don't think we are diverse religion wise, look around the district at all the denominations represented in and around Naperville.

You really need to get some actual facts and stop the sensationalism -- you are showing your true self more each post. What's your real reason behind trying to incite issues that don't exist here ?

[bob]

Ric,

I am willing to listen to your proposals and worries about diversity. I asked a question in the diversity thread area.

[doctorwho]

ric said:

doctorwho said:

I hide behind nothing , which is exactly the net sum of your argument here.

Who said anything about being representative of the USA ? That is not a definition of diversity - but feel free to change your points anytime mid stream - because as usual they are wrong again.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_demographics_of_the_United_States

Perhaps you need to talk to some of your professor friends -- here is the makeup of the US 2000 census: Tell me where the major difference is ?

Okay , now you can change the subject again --!! Tell me again 204 isn't representative of the diversity of the country-- what country are you looking at again ? So what facts show this is not representative of the US of A ? You might actually want to check a few of those before spouting off again. I'll hold off grading this effort since you have a tough time accepting grades -- or facts.


U.S. 2000 Census

69.1 % Caucasian
12.5% Hispanic
12.3 % Black
3.7% Asian
2.4% Multi racial

Here is District 204:

68.0% Caucasian
6.1 % Hispanic
8.6% Black
14.2% Asian
2.9% Multi Racial



www.suntimes.com/pcds/html/schools/2006/cache/WAUBONSIEVALLEYHIGHINDIANPRAIRIECUSD204.html


I'll help you here, scroll down to the district numbers at the bottom....

And as far as the world being different 35 years ago - yes it was, but if you think being poor was different 35 years ago -- you are wrong again as usual. Yeah I had it real easy, as did all the other poor kids -- you really have a chip so large it blinds you to facts.

Dr. Did you really pull the race card out??

Surely you don't believe that that was the only thing that I speak of when using the word diverse...

how about

families living below the povery lines??
homeless families
uneducated adults??
ESL parents??
gay and lesbians families
gay and lesbian students??
religions ??
diversity of politics???

Counting colors is just one subset of diversity and though dist 204 might be color friendly, it doesn't compare otherwise

When it comes to religious representation again we are not representative of what ? Just inside Naperville as seen here for a town of 150,000, not counting houses of worship represented in nearby suburbs -- sigh
Couple that with this list of houses of worship in Aurora and tell me how this is not representative? For an area of 300,000 ? I'm willing to go out on a limb and say this may be one of the most representative areas this size.

www.churchangel.com/WEBIL/aurora.htm


"Several of Naperville's religious institutions are also directly involved in education, such as Bethany Lutheran Church and School, Calvary Church and School (now located in Aurora, though for many years it was on Aurora Road in Naperville), St. Raphael's Church and School, Saints Peter and Paul Church and School, and the All Saints Catholic Academy.

Congregation Beth Shalom built a new synagogue and education center in the 1990s, and the Islamic Center of Naperville is located on Olesen Drive. In addition to the Christian churches and congregations named, there are five total Roman Catholic churches, four Baptist churches, two Churches of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, five United Methodist churches, one Presbyterian (USA) church, five Evangelical Lutheran churches, three Lutheran Missouri Synod churches, one Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses, one African Methodist Episcopal church, and many non-denominational churches.[6]

[wvhsparent]

OK Guys and gals...this thread is also WAAAAAAAY off track and now locked
any QT news will go in a new thread.