Parties to meet over Metea

[warriorpride]

wvhsparent said:

doctorwho said:

I think that would have hit the papers, when they did sell it they mentioned they would seek damages -- I am speculating on the reason, but when they sold it, they mentioned they would seek damages ( as they likely felt it would have been worth more if all residential ) - remember they did not release how much they sold that property for either. I believe BB is in the final phases ( or at least I hope so) of wrapping up getting as much $ out of the entire deal as possible.

Regardless this shows 2 things regardless of how the meeting turns out today ; 1/ for those who have been saying nothing is happening - ball not moving forward - SB not doing enough - may want to check your sources as work on this has been on ongoing effort 2/ it appears BB may want to settle the $ issues before the September trial also - saves court costs as well as gives us the exact dollar amount of cost sooner.

I view this as positive news, and even if it can buy us another 2 months or so, in the current timeline that is a lot & any additional time would be very helpful in meeting schedules.

Maybe it is that sale is being held up till they can figure out how much they can gouge er I mean charge the developer or claim for "damages" against the SD

This is kinda what I thought. I assumed that at least part of the discussion is going to be about "damages". I think it's BS. If not MV, townhomes would have gone in there, not upscale single-family houses. And NOBODY walks to a mall/store/restaurant, even if it's just down the street. So, this proposed mall would not get any more "foot" traffic if there were townhomes built back there. Plus, from the description, it sounds a little upscale, so I'll be a little presumptuous and say that townhome residents aren't likely to be the target clientele.

And I don't see NV's busses driving through the middle of the Dominick's mall on 59 & 95th, or impacting, or "damaging" the value or utility of that mall. Did the owner of that parcel (which was build after NV, I'm pretty sure) charge the SD for "damages"? I don't think so. So, I don't see how the portion of BB that fronts 59 is devalued or "damaged".

[bob]

I think if they sold the 71 acres left, there is no damage to the remainder because they sold the land.

[Arch]

...and lawyers wonder why the public often has a very low opinion of them.

[gatordog]

doctorwho said:

How large is the property where Showplace and the surrounding shops is on 95th and 59 - as the shape of the property is likely more similar.

or better yet - how many acres taken up by Costco / Lowes / Staples / Fitness X etc across the street

Each one of these properties is about 50 acres. That eyeballs right to me, in that the each look to be about 1/3 of th BB total.

So the "lifestyle mall with offices" is 40% bigger than the Showplace complex and the Big Boxes....wow, that is livin' large.

[doctorwho]

gatordog said:

doctorwho said:

How large is the property where Showplace and the surrounding shops is on 95th and 59 - as the shape of the property is likely more similar.

or better yet - how many acres taken up by Costco / Lowes / Staples / Fitness X etc across the street

Each one of these properties is about 50 acres. That eyeballs right to me, in that the each look to be about 1/3 of th BB total.

So the "lifestyle mall with offices" is 40% bigger than the Showplace complex and the Big Boxes....wow, that is livin' large.

wondering how much of that 20 acres though will be eaten up by retention/roads etc between the school property and the commercial ?

Again for all the misinformed comments in papers and elsewhere about the school being ON Rt 59 -- this just puts the exclamation point on how far off 59 it is.

[gatordog]

Nonetheless....something on the order of Showplace or Costco+Lowes+Staples will be sitting right next to MVHS. I think the "lifestyle mall " fails to do justice to my visual imagining. Those public relations people do have a way with words....thats what they are paid for!

I am not saying this is all bad, or something the SD should try to control or influence. I am sitting her thinking though, that the campus environment will be a bit different than that of WV - next to a park with a lake and a church, and NV- next to Frontier park, library.

Likely the retail will be on route 59. Hopefully, the land closer to MVHS will be some beautiful, upscale office complexes. That may be an architecturally pleasing outcome.

[doctorwho]

gatordog said:

Nonetheless....something on the order of Showplace or Costco+Lowes+Staples will be sitting right next to MVHS.

but that would be like saying that Dominicks and all those stores sit next to NV -- MV building is further from 59 than NV is. So if where the library is today is an office building or something, I am not seeing the difference.
And I would imagine the retail will be on 59 - those stores will want 59 entrances for traffic access

I think we need to wait and see because as you say, visual imaging is not easy. It is still hard for people ( and some papers ) to understand how far off 59 MVHS will actually be.....

[gatordog]

doctorwho said:

gatordog said:

but that would be like saying that Dominicks and all those stores sit next to NV -- MV building is further from 59 than NV is. So if where the library is today is an office building or something, I am not seeing the difference.
....

Here is the difference:
NVHS's Rt 59 retail neighbor, Dominicks plus strip mall retail area is, <10 acres. AND its nicely buffered from the school campus by the library and frontier park baseball fields.

MVHS's Rt 59 retail/commercial neighbor, the unknown lifestyle mall and office space, is >>10 acres and buffered by (unknown).

I dont think we can say MVHS's visual or architectual feel in terms of how it will be "connected" to Rt 59 will be similar to NVHS just because the distances from Rt 59 are about the same. In fact, given the scale of MV's proposed commercial neighbor, and the unknowns in what "buffer" there may or may not be....I dont think its a stretch at all to say it might be quite different.

[doctorwho]

gatordog said:

doctorwho said:

gatordog said:

but that would be like saying that Dominicks and all those stores sit next to NV -- MV building is further from 59 than NV is. So if where the library is today is an office building or something, I am not seeing the difference.
....

Here is the difference:
NVHS's Rt 59 retail neighbor, Dominicks plus strip mall retail area is, <10 acres. AND its nicely buffered from the school campus by the library and frontier park baseball fields.

MVHS's Rt 59 retail/commercial neighbor, the unknown lifestyle mall and office space, is >>10 acres and buffered by (unknown).

I dont think we can say MVHS's visual or architectual feel in terms of how it will be "connected" to Rt 59 will be similar to NVHS just because the distances from Rt 59 are about the same. In fact, given the scale of MV's proposed commercial neighbor, and the unknowns in what "buffer" there may or may not be....I dont think its a stretch at all to say it might be quite different.

I don't disagree it might be different, but also it might end up quite similar..... I figure I'll worry about that after we actually have the land secured and we are moving forward. If I look around all the development around that general area - it has been done with pretty good aesthetics IMHO

[warriorpride]

gatordog said:

doctorwho said:

gatordog said:

but that would be like saying that Dominicks and all those stores sit next to NV -- MV building is further from 59 than NV is. So if where the library is today is an office building or something, I am not seeing the difference.
....

Here is the difference:
NVHS's Rt 59 retail neighbor, Dominicks plus strip mall retail area is, <10 acres. AND its nicely buffered from the school campus by the library and frontier park baseball fields.

MVHS's Rt 59 retail/commercial neighbor, the unknown lifestyle mall and office space, is >>10 acres and buffered by (unknown).

I dont think we can say MVHS's visual or architectual feel in terms of how it will be "connected" to Rt 59 will be similar to NVHS just because the distances from Rt 59 are about the same. In fact, given the scale of MV's proposed commercial neighbor, and the unknowns in what "buffer" there may or may not be....I dont think its a stretch at all to say it might be quite different.

Who knows which direction this mockup is facing: www.ipsd.org/3hs_index.asp?strImage=big_mock_aerial.jpg ? I recall seeing an overhead drawing (which would make it clear which way MV would be oriented), but I don't see it on the site.

[doctorwho]

warriorpride said:

gatordog said:

doctorwho said:

Here is the difference:
NVHS's Rt 59 retail neighbor, Dominicks plus strip mall retail area is, <10 acres. AND its nicely buffered from the school campus by the library and frontier park baseball fields.

MVHS's Rt 59 retail/commercial neighbor, the unknown lifestyle mall and office space, is >>10 acres and buffered by (unknown).

I dont think we can say MVHS's visual or architectual feel in terms of how it will be "connected" to Rt 59 will be similar to NVHS just because the distances from Rt 59 are about the same. In fact, given the scale of MV's proposed commercial neighbor, and the unknowns in what "buffer" there may or may not be....I dont think its a stretch at all to say it might be quite different.

Who knows which direction this mockup is facing: www.ipsd.org/3hs_index.asp?strImage=big_mock_aerial.jpg ? I recall seeing an overhead drawing (which would make it clear which way MV would be oriented), but I don't see it on the site.

I know I have a multiple view packet filed somewhere -- I believe this is looking East - but I can't swear by it. I remember the football field being between 59 and the school, and the baseball fields being south of the school and that would match looking East.

[bob]

It is facing southeast. You can see Costco in the background.