Alternate sites to be considered

[macy]

gatormom said:

wvhsparent said:

I am with you on the PR troubles.

But Macom is not a good site as it is too far south. What happens when/if the Student population drops and a HS is no longer needed....which one do you drop? If you go with the oldest, that then means both HS are south of 87th st. Unacceptable to me.

Talk about bad PR, what happens when we have to evict the elderly couple from their home? At some point, we need all the land.

I may sound like a total nasty here, but.... should we not pursue that property and pay 15 million more because of that one couple?

I hate to say that, but... If the property is less expensive and a viable spot for the school (with little alternative), would that one couple really be the deal breaker?

Sounds a little heartless but what about the mass amount of young children that will be impacted if we don't move on another parcel?

[proschool]

macy said:

Macom land:

From what I remember the district would need to purchase 62 acres to build on Macom property.

If I'm correct, the price tossed out was 327K per acre. If the 25 acres we own at BB land were sold and netted 6 million, the offset of purchasing the Macom land would result in a (roughly) 15 million dollar cost for land at that site?

Does anyone remember the specifics of the Macom offer?

15 million vs. 31 million is a no brainer for me?

But, I'm not sure if my memory is correct.

Anyone out there remember the specifics?

I found my old notes on a post from march 2008....

Re: Big story in Sunday's Sun Newspaper
« Reply #196 on Mar 12, 2007, 5:42pm »

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I just talked to someone from the Macom corporation because I wanted some clarification on some issues. they were very helpful and willing to talk.



Retention Ponds


Macom is already doing the site work. They are placing the retention ponds for the entire development and only proposing to sell land that can be developed. BB will have 60 acres in the end that is build-able and they are selling 60 acres. They will most likely be doing most of the mass grading. So the price for this land is about the same as BB and has about the same amount of build-able acreage.


Big Power Lines on the South


They stay. they are the same lines that go to the south of NV.



Smaller Power Lines


Macom is already planing on moving these over the summer whether the school goes there or not. It's all part of the master plan.


The Homeowner


There is a single family house of the original homeowner. They are already planning to build around them. Macom says that even if they stay they will not halt construction. If retentions ponds are planned for that spot the district can wait to build some of its parking lots because it wont need all of its parking facilities for a few years. they have not discussed the issue with the person living there because the district has not shown an interest in moving forward.


Wolfs crossing


Macom is planning to move it this summer at there own expense because its part of the master plan.


Damage to the remainder at BB


They think that BB will contend that there is strip of land to the east of the BB school site that is too far from Rte 59 for commercial use and too thin and inaccessible for anything else. They say BB will seek compensation for damage to the remainder.


Soil Tests


They have been done on the Macom property and have been made available to the school board.


Park District Land


Macom propose swapping the park district land north of the power lines with land that it already owns south of the power lines along 248th avenue. In informal talks with the park district they were told that their proposal made sense. Macom also says that it brings the park closer to the people who are going to use it.

For the record, I still believe that BB is the better site for the school.


« Last Edit: Mar 13, 2007, 12:28am by proschool »

[Arch]

DO you know what BB's legal fees are? Don't say giving up BB is cheaper until you know that. Further, how long until we could actually HAVE the Macom land? Paul's overly optimistic said things that are wrong with it could be fixed in 60 days. So that is AT LEAST 2 months after the district buys it, pay's BB's multi-year legal fees for the condemnation, sells back the 25 acres minus more legal fees (I wonder how much will really be left over) and in the meantime time marches on and constructions costs go higher.

Fill in the unknowns (but don't take too long) and then we'll have something better to make that decision on rather than this pie in the sky outlook that Macom's land is the promise land. After the true numbers are known, it might be but right now it is anything BUT that.

[macy]

proschool said:

macy said:

Macom land:

From what I remember the district would need to purchase 62 acres to build on Macom property.

If I'm correct, the price tossed out was 327K per acre. If the 25 acres we own at BB land were sold and netted 6 million, the offset of purchasing the Macom land would result in a (roughly) 15 million dollar cost for land at that site?

Does anyone remember the specifics of the Macom offer?

15 million vs. 31 million is a no brainer for me?

But, I'm not sure if my memory is correct.

Anyone out there remember the specifics?

I found my old notes on a post from march 2008....

Re: Big story in Sunday's Sun Newspaper
« Reply #196 on Mar 12, 2007, 5:42pm »

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I just talked to someone from the Macom corporation because I wanted some clarification on some issues. they were very helpful and willing to talk.



Retention Ponds


Macom is already doing the site work. They are placing the retention ponds for the entire development and only proposing to sell land that can be developed. BB will have 60 acres in the end that is build-able and they are selling 60 acres. They will most likely be doing most of the mass grading. So the price for this land is about the same as BB and has about the same amount of build-able acreage.


Big Power Lines on the South


They stay. they are the same lines that go to the south of NV.



Smaller Power Lines


Macom is already planing on moving these over the summer whether the school goes there or not. It's all part of the master plan.


The Homeowner


There is a single family house of the original homeowner. They are already planning to build around them. Macom says that even if they stay they will not halt construction. If retentions ponds are planned for that spot the district can wait to build some of its parking lots because it wont need all of its parking facilities for a few years. they have not discussed the issue with the person living there because the district has not shown an interest in moving forward.


Wolfs crossing


Macom is planning to move it this summer at there own expense because its part of the master plan.


Damage to the remainder at BB


They think that BB will contend that there is strip of land to the east of the BB school site that is too far from Rte 59 for commercial use and too thin and inaccessible for anything else. They say BB will seek compensation for damage to the remainder.


Soil Tests


They have been done on the Macom property and have been made available to the school board.


Park District Land


Macom propose swapping the park district land north of the power lines with land that it already owns south of the power lines along 248th avenue. In informal talks with the park district they were told that their proposal made sense. Macom also says that it brings the park closer to the people who are going to use it.

For the record, I still believe that BB is the better site for the school.


« Last Edit: Mar 13, 2007, 12:28am by proschool »

Proschool,

thanks for the notes...

Where do you stand today? Is BB worth millions more?

[Arch]

BB itself isn't 'worth' millions more. Having a High School done *IS*

There's a very distinct difference, and the latter (in my opinion) takes precedence. A little belt tightening on the place wouldn't kill anyone. Heck, the No sayers have been complaining about spending too much now are they going to about-face and say "NO, you can't skimp on construction!!!"

[macy]

archwinsome said:

DO you know what BB's legal fees are? Don't say giving up BB is cheaper until you know that. Further, how long until we could actually HAVE the Macom land? Paul's overly optimistic said things that are wrong with it could be fixed in 60 days. So that is AT LEAST 2 months after the district buys it, pay's BB's multi-year legal fees for the condemnation, sells back the 25 acres minus more legal fees (I wonder how much will really be left over) and in the meantime time marches on and constructions costs go higher.

Fill in the unknowns (but don't take too long) and then we'll have something better to make that decision on rather than this pie in the sky outlook that Macom's land is the promise land. After the true numbers are known, it might be but right now it is anything BUT that.

I promise that when we fill in the unknowns and they total over the 15 million dollar difference, I will rethink my opinion.

I doubt the legal fees will total that much, if they do, I will be very angry with the SB for going this far with BB.

I'm unsure of cost of the time delay in terms of Macom's property but will still be angry with the school district as they were offered the land last fall. Wasn't the original meeting with Macom in October of 2006?

The continued all out pursuit of BB needs to come to and end in my opinion. We either agree to pay 31 million for land and sacrifice "something" (in terms of the high school or take it out of the district's budget elsewhere) or we move on NOW.

[proschool]

Macy,

I don't know what the options are. Is Macom still willing to sell? There is no time for another condemanation proceeding so the options are to take the property or buy from an interested seller.

If we have to buy BB I support finding the extra money from some other source than trimming construction costs. Why should the students at Metea have to suffer for the poor decision of the voters to turn down the first referendum? The cuts should be shared across the district if they are necessary.

Selling the unused property at Route 59 and 103rd makes sense to me. Voters can approve another referendum for a preschool at a later date if that's what they want

[macy]

proschool said:

Macy,

I don't know what the options are. Is Macom still willing to sell? There is no time for another condemanation proceeding so the options are to take the property or buy from an interested seller.

If we have to buy BB I support finding the extra money from some other source than trimming construction costs. Why should the students at Metea have to suffer for the poor decision of the voters to turn down the first referendum? The cuts should be shared across the district if they are necessary.

Selling the unused property at Route 59 and 103rd makes sense to me. Voters can approve another referendum for a preschool at a later date if that's what they want

Proschool.

I completely agree with you on all your points. But, if the school board has come out and voted already on a resolution to not come out for more money for Metea, I'm unsure as to where they will find the extra money for the BB land.

Personally, I'm hoping the Macom land is still up for negotiation. In my opinion, without knowing other alternative location availability, what else can we do?

I am unsure as to selling the Wheatland property. That's a new concept. Doesn't seem that it can happen that quickly.

[proschool]

macy said:

proschool said:

Macy,

I don't know what the options are. Is Macom still willing to sell? There is no time for another condemanation proceeding so the options are to take the property or buy from an interested seller.

If we have to buy BB I support finding the extra money from some other source than trimming construction costs. Why should the students at Metea have to suffer for the poor decision of the voters to turn down the first referendum? The cuts should be shared across the district if they are necessary.

Selling the unused property at Route 59 and 103rd makes sense to me. Voters can approve another referendum for a preschool at a later date if that's what they want

Proschool.

I completely agree with you on all your points. But, if the school board has come out and voted already on a resolution to not come out for more money for Metea, I'm unsure as to where they will find the extra money for the BB land.

Personally, I'm hoping the Macom land is still up for negotiation. In my opinion, without knowing other alternative location availability, what else can we do?

I am unsure as to selling the Wheatland property. That's a new concept. Doesn't seem that it can happen that quickly.

Who says we need the money quickly? There are some parts of the school that might not have to be built for years. If we can sell Wheatland for 5 million and we just got an extra three million from the state we are half way there.

If they don't ask for more money then they have to make cuts. But those cuts should go across the district. They should not all be on metea.

[bob]

Let's not forget

1) Wolf's Crossing will not be moved until next Spring
2) The ditch that was created by Macom that is/was filled with water. Can it be filled in?

[wvhsparent]

IIRC St. John's bought the parcel in 2003 for 6mil (Might have been 8mil) The SD offers them 15mil, up to 20mil. The church doubles their monies. The SD sell back the 25 acres they have for a net of 9 to 14 mil...OK throw in 1-2 mil for legal expenses. The SD is still way under the final BB cost by a huge margin.
The SD could also offer to help find another suitable site for them. The s/w corner of Rt59 and Ferry is available... I wonder how much it is? It would be a wonderful, well travelled Highly visible spot for a church.

Leaving upwards of 110 mil for the building...........

BB can go pound sand for all I care.

[blankcheck]

Bob- Pick up their legal fees - What about ours??? How much has that been for us???

[doctorwho]

macy said:

gatormom said:

Sounds a little heartless but what about the mass amount of young children that will be impacted if we don't move on another parcel?

would have been a great question for the BB attorneys -- they are working for who ? No one but themselves. Also a great question for the extremely weak political support because we have people in office who will take a stand on nothing.

[doctorwho]

macy said:

proschool said:

Macy,

I don't know what the options are. Is Macom still willing to sell? There is no time for another condemanation proceeding so the options are to take the property or buy from an interested seller.

If we have to buy BB I support finding the extra money from some other source than trimming construction costs. Why should the students at Metea have to suffer for the poor decision of the voters to turn down the first referendum? The cuts should be shared across the district if they are necessary.

Selling the unused property at Route 59 and 103rd makes sense to me. Voters can approve another referendum for a preschool at a later date if that's what they want

Proschool.

I completely agree with you on all your points. But, if the school board has come out and voted already on a resolution to not come out for more money for Metea, I'm unsure as to where they will find the extra money for the BB land.

Personally, I'm hoping the Macom land is still up for negotiation. In my opinion, without knowing other alternative location availability, what else can we do?

I am unsure as to selling the Wheatland property. That's a new concept. Doesn't seem that it can happen that quickly.

Should be able to sell it before the school is completed. And with property being worth the amounts it obviously is -- should be a good deal.

[lacy]

proschool said:

macy said:

Proschool.

I completely agree with you on all your points. But, if the school board has come out and voted already on a resolution to not come out for more money for Metea, I'm unsure as to where they will find the extra money for the BB land.

Personally, I'm hoping the Macom land is still up for negotiation. In my opinion, without knowing other alternative location availability, what else can we do?

I am unsure as to selling the Wheatland property. That's a new concept. Doesn't seem that it can happen that quickly.

Who says we need the money quickly? There are some parts of the school that might not have to be built for years. If we can sell Wheatland for 5 million and we just got an extra three million from the state we are half way there.

If they don't ask for more money then they have to make cuts. But those cuts should go across the district. They should not all be on metea.

Why should we overpay for land if other land is available? And why should we wait "for years" to build parts of the school?

Is this all about the boundaries still to some? I don't get it.

To continue to pursue BB at all costs at this point is just simply moronic to me. If that's what the SB tries to do, then they are sacrificing what is best for the district and the kids - and for what? To make a few mouthy people happy because they wanted BB only?

I don't like the doomsday scenarios about the Macom property. We need to get the facts and not spew a bunch of FUD about this site or any other.