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Post by wvhsparent on Sept 28, 2007 8:41:35 GMT -6
If you have so little faith in the SB, what makes you believe they will get better with any other location? Public voted to build a 3rd HS. 15 million in the scheme of things is pocket change (55 a year tops on the tax bill if necessary). Wow, I'll skip one night at Sushi House for the year. OK I'll send my extra bill your way then. |
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Post by wvhsparent on Sept 28, 2007 8:43:21 GMT -6
If you have so little faith in the SB, what makes you believe they will get better with any other location? Public voted to build a 3rd HS. 15 million in the scheme of things is pocket change (55 a year tops on the tax bill if necessary). Wow, I'll skip one night at Sushi House for the year. I have NO faith in the SB Period for anything!!!! |
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Post by bbc on Sept 28, 2007 9:07:51 GMT -6
If the SB had any integrity, they would all step down. They have botched this from the beginning. Personal conversations with them made it clear they had no alternative to the jury agreeing to a higher price. People on these sites were convinced they were just saying that as a strategy of not showing their hand to BB. Now it is clear that was not their strategy. they had no alternative. they are just good intentioned, but inept, people.
Some people think we should pay the price and move forward. what are u thinking??? no wonder taxes are out of control.
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Post by bob on Sept 28, 2007 9:14:27 GMT -6
Yes they should all resign because a jury choose a home run number for BB.  |
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Post by blankcheck on Sept 28, 2007 9:15:09 GMT -6
If you remember, I believe this was one of my main sticking points regarding the referendum -
We had no clue how much the land they were going for would actually cost.
Again, they overspent on Neuqua, and that additional amount ended up on the next referendum. They had to ax the auxilary gym. I don't for one minute feel that they will not come back to the taxpayers for more money to build this school - They Will!!!
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Post by bob on Sept 28, 2007 9:16:02 GMT -6
If you remember, I believe this was one of my main sticking points regarding the referendum - We had no clue how much the land they were going for would actually cost. Again, they overspent on Neuqua, and that additional amount ended up on the next referendum. They had to ax the auxilary gym. I don't for one minute feel that they will not come back to the taxpayers for more money to build this school - They Will!!! If they do, we vote on it, majority wins. Sounds fair to me. |
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Post by Arch on Sept 28, 2007 9:27:08 GMT -6
If you remember, I believe this was one of my main sticking points regarding the referendum - We had no clue how much the land they were going for would actually cost. Again, they overspent on Neuqua, and that additional amount ended up on the next referendum. They had to ax the auxilary gym. I don't for one minute feel that they will not come back to the taxpayers for more money to build this school - They Will!!! If they do, we vote on it, majority wins. Sounds fair to me. Exactly.. everyone will have their chance to 'stick it to them' by voting it down if they can bring out the numbers. Retribution always works great for a school district. |
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Post by bbc on Sept 28, 2007 9:29:35 GMT -6
Agreed. Lets vote again with the higher dollars needed as a result of mis-management. SB wasn't cheated by a jury. They got a reality check. The need to resign not because of the jury verdict but because they failed consider alternatives given the possibility of this outcome. they were arrogant.
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Post by lacy on Sept 28, 2007 9:31:36 GMT -6
I agree, bbc. The current SB is batting .000
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Post by Arch on Sept 28, 2007 9:31:54 GMT -6
Agreed. Lets vote again with the higher dollars needed as a result of mis-management. SB wasn't cheated by a jury. They got a reality check. The need to resign not because of the jury verdict but because they failed consider alternatives given the possibility of this outcome. they were arrogant. You get what you pay for in that position, eh? |
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Post by bob on Sept 28, 2007 9:58:19 GMT -6
Agreed. Lets vote again with the higher dollars needed as a result of mis-management. SB wasn't cheated by a jury. They got a reality check. The need to resign not because of the jury verdict but because they failed consider alternatives given the possibility of this outcome. they were arrogant. They got burnt by the jury. That land isn't worth $510k acre in the open market today and it wasn't worth it 2 years ago. The rest of BB frontage Rt59 just went for less $600k/acre on the open market. |
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Post by casey on Sept 28, 2007 10:06:47 GMT -6
They really need to look at all options at this point before forging ahead. But the feeling I get is that they are so stuck on BB, that they aren't going to be able to take an objective look at the situation. So far, nothing IMO has gone the way they predicted it would. IMO, we were reassured in a very patronizing way that everything would go completely differently than it has. That's the part that really gets me. People raised good questions about how quickly we could get BB, how much would it really cost, and whether QT was a responsbile thing to pursue, but all along the way, we were treated like complete idiots or "not caring about the kids." Now I get the feeling they will provide us with some fuzzy numbers in an effort to convince everyone they can really afford this and we'll get the same patronizing "don't worry - the building will be like the others," blah, blah, blah. What I would rather see is hard financial numbers, hard numbers about the enrollment (where the heck are the enrollment numbers - school has been in session for a month now - that alone is suspcious), and a really thoughtful review about all viable options. Not another sales job from people who I believe have no credibility at this point. I completely agree, Lacy. There's no doubt that MM and the SB will spin everything related to BB and many will walk away believing that we're getting a deal with regards to BB. How in the world can they creatively manipulate the budget to compensate for a land cost over double what they expected it to be (or at least tried to convince the community that cost would be) ? They can meet with Turner Construction, they can sign up corporate sponsors, sell Wheatland land, interest on the bonds, blah, blah, blah but how much can they realistically come up with? And if they truly have that much extra padding built into the construction costs of the 3rd HS, help us all! What else has been "hidden" in their estimates? I definitely have lost respect and trust in our SB. I'm surprised that they're isn't a major outcry of the community demanding their resignations. How come there are so few persons (other than regular posters here and those very involved with PTA/School Board/School issues) that are concerned with what is going on? More of the "general public" needs to be educated with what is going on in 204. We have continuously been misled. Remember sitting in those boundary/referendum meetings and being assured that the BB land with QT powers being granted was a cursory, slam-dunk plan and we'd be building in no time? Who in their right mind builds a house without owning or knowing the cost of the land first? Now look where we're at. Many of you are ready to just jump in and continue to give your $$ and trust to our SB. I am not. I agree with Lacy, we need enrollment numbers as well as full accounting disclosure. You can say what you want about getting that information from the SB (FOI, blah, blah, blah) but the truth is that information should be made clear NOW and we shouldn't have to chase it down to get it. How many are willing to just sit back and allow the SB to bumble more critical decisions? |
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Post by warriorpride on Sept 28, 2007 10:16:02 GMT -6
... I'm surprised that they're isn't a major outcry of the community demanding their resignations. How come there are so few persons (other than regular posters here and those very involved with PTA/School Board/School issues) that are concerned with what is going on? More of the "general public" needs to be educated with what is going on in 204. ... Sadly, it seems that most of the general public isn't interested or "doesn't have time". That's pretty obvious to me. |
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Post by Arch on Sept 28, 2007 10:16:05 GMT -6
RE: Who builds w/out knowing the cost.. Well.. going with another place instead of BB, you would not know that cost.
I don't believe anyone thinks paying over 500K per acre is any deal whatsoever. There comes a point where the delays stack up so much that the total cost of delaying further (the cost to the students) outweighs the price of the component you're having a problem over. That's the mode I'm in now and I admit it.
But, we can do nothing and be happy now because we're angry and later complain that the SB did nothing and be angry with them for their inaction (because we'll still be angry), or we can focus on the objective of building a HS for the kids as was voted and approved on and just get it over with once and for all. I think the land price is utterly and completely silly, but that's what the jury decided. Sucks, but that's the way it is.
One in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.
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Post by casey on Sept 28, 2007 10:26:15 GMT -6
I for one was not surprised by the jury's verdit The jury was 8 men, 4 women and not one from District 204. We may not like the cost they came up with but it was done through the courts and the proper channels. They determined that the land was truly that valuable. Who in their right mind really thought that the SD would get it for $257/acre? Not I. Thank goodness we didn't do QT.
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