Where to build MV

[wvhsparent]

harry said:

bob said:

Your new referendum has to be approved by the SB.

If 10,000 taxpayers demand it, the SB will have no choice. This could turn into a lawsuit quickly.

I suppose if one got a petition going and turned it into the repective election commissions, one could get something on the ballot....most likey non-binding though.

[harry]

lacy said:

wvhsparent said:

WOW...The silence in deafening.......

I had to go back to the 6-day enrollment figures before I answered.

No matter which 4 grades I add up, I can't come up with much more than about 1000 additional kids beyond what we are housing now. And we aren't hearing about crowded classrooms at NVHS or Scullen (the most frequently mentioned overcrowded schools) - hallways yes, but not classrooms.

What's also concerning is the drop off in enrollment at K and 1st grade. If that continues, the "bubble" is already in the system and will barely be addressed by the time we build anything anywhere.

If the district was really concerned about the kids currently in the system, they would have moved much quicker. When the first referendum failed, they could have built a middle school. Instead, they came back to the public with threats of split shifts, 5000 student highschools, etc.

With the enrollment looking to be vastly different than the doom and gloom scenarios presented during the referendum, I think we need to look at some alternatives before we build a 3000 seat high school for 1000 kids.

I do however think we need additional space at some level. What I would like to see is a very thoughtful and careful analysis of different options that is presented to the public. This would include looking at other sites as well as other alternatives to a 3000 seat high school.

Just because we have land cash donations or other funds available, it doesn't mean we should spend full steam ahead. If the landscape has changed (enrollment and much higher land costs), we should take a second look.

Otherwise, we could have another Petersen on our hands (and a very expensive one at that).

Agreed,,the SB just "wanted" a 3rd hs because it was 'easier' work for them.

Now comes the hard part.

If we only have an abundance of 1000 at any given year, why are we building 3009 seats?? This has always been a sticking point for me.

And I could care less if 300 mediocre kids try out for 15 spots on a soccer team and don't make it.

Or your kid didn't make lst seat violin

A 3000 seat facility doesn't improve 90% of those kids chances anyway.

Plan to resolve the 1000 seat problem with fiduciary eyes.

[southsidemom]

bob said:

southsidemom said:

Harry, when I mentioned the new found interest in the church's land to my neighbors, they laughed and asked if these were the same people who threatenedd to send the IRS in with guns ablazing.

I don't think guns ablazing were ever mentioned.


If nothing was wrong, why did a certain committee financials contribution decreased by $2000 from it's pre-election report to post election report? Did someone have to return some money?

bob, As I was informed the error was on the part of the governmental agency. You scutiinize everything so well how did you miss this? Fact is some folks were very foul in terms of their treatment towards the church you now want to make nicey nicey with. Reminds me of that old saying about the people you meet going up the ladder are the very ones you meet coming down.

[EagleDad]

harry said:

archwinsome said:

Why don't you get to work on it and report back about your success. I know I couldn't find 10,000 people to support your beliefs, but I wish you luck trying.

Keep us posted.

You might not be able to but CFO can ;D

Too bad CFO doesn't exist anymore harry ;D

Do let us know how that referendum shapes up. I would relish a chance to vote on it.

[Arch]

southsidemom said:

Harry, when I mentioned the new found interest in the church's land to my neighbors, they laughed and asked if these were the same people who threatenedd to send the IRS in with guns ablazing.

When I asked a person down the street who works for the Public Works Dept about how easy and quick it is to move a road in the south side of town they laughed equally as hard.

[Arch]

harry said:

archwinsome said:

Why don't you get to work on it and report back about your success. I know I couldn't find 10,000 people to support your beliefs, but I wish you luck trying.

Keep us posted.

You might not be able to but CFO can ;D

Oh, you mean the group that could not get people to the polls in 2006 like they could in 2005 because people finally started doing their own thinking.

[harry]

eagledad said:

harry said:

You might not be able to but CFO can ;D

Too bad CFO doesn't exist anymore harry ;D

Do let us know how that referendum shapes up. I would relish a chance to vote on it.

Me too.

[gatordog]

eagledad said:

I'm in no matter where it is built, but like WVHS Parent I have my preferences (St Johns is not at/near the top of my list).

WVHSParent, and all other St Johns proponents. Here's an interesting questions for you:

What do you think of putting some of St John's skin in the game during negotiation? That is how would you feel about saying "Negotiate in good faith with us, or you need to stop using school district property (essential for free) to continue holding your services and in essence raising money for your church".

I'll be honest that I've never supported the wide-spread use of our taxpayer paid school properties to allow churches who hold huge tracts of land (St John's AME, Crossroads) to basically have free facilities and continue raising large sumes of money, while never doing anything with their own land year after year. There has to some dis-incentive to get them to have a concrete plan to move out.

Eagledad, I dont think such strong arming by a govt entity against a church is a good idea at all. I think it harms our community overall, makes for bad blood. Nobody wins.

I have no problem with organizations paying nominal fees and renting school buildings for worship services. Its a fair use of public resources that otherwise are not in use, such as on Sunday mornings. I cannot be given cost-free, that would be unconstitional.

There is a reason why church aquire land and may take a long time to put a building on it. Often, church buildings are paid for with little or no mortage. Congregations take mulitiple years to come up with the very large or complete downpayment. I have no problem at all if a church owns a land and waits (even long time) before they decide when they can afford the building.

Either the church is free and willing real estate deal negotiators, or they are not. I absolutely oppose and political pressure whatsoever.

Eagledad, I thought you were a Reagan conservative...shame on you

[doctorwho]

lacy said:

wvhsparent said:

WOW...The silence in deafening.......

I had to go back to the 6-day enrollment figures before I answered.

No matter which 4 grades I add up, I can't come up with much more than about 1000 additional kids beyond what we are housing now. And we aren't hearing about crowded classrooms at NVHS or Scullen (the most frequently mentioned overcrowded schools) - hallways yes, but not classrooms.

What's also concerning is the drop off in enrollment at K and 1st grade. If that continues, the "bubble" is already in the system and will barely be addressed by the time we build anything anywhere.

If the district was really concerned about the kids currently in the system, they would have moved much quicker. When the first referendum failed, they could have built a middle school. Instead, they came back to the public with threats of split shifts, 5000 student highschools, etc.

With the enrollment looking to be vastly different than the doom and gloom scenarios presented during the referendum, I think we need to look at some alternatives before we build a 3000 seat high school for 1000 kids.

I do however think we need additional space at some level. What I would like to see is a very thoughtful and careful analysis of different options that is presented to the public. This would include looking at other sites as well as other alternatives to a 3000 seat high school.

Just because we have land cash donations or other funds available, it doesn't mean we should spend full steam ahead. If the landscape has changed (enrollment and much higher land costs), we should take a second look.

Otherwise, we could have another Petersen on our hands (and a very expensive one at that).

Another Peterson -- you mean a school we built at significantly less cost ,due to grant money, than we could of at any other time... and regardless of housing market, that area will be built out - whether that was today or tomorrow or 5 years from now -- saving us a significantly cost of building that school tomorrow. Okay, I can live with that.

[Arch]

southsidemom said:

bob said:

I don't think guns ablazing were ever mentioned.


If nothing was wrong, why did a certain committee financials contribution decreased by $2000 from it's pre-election report to post election report? Did someone have to return some money?

bob, As I was informed the error was on the part of the governmental agency. You scutiinize everything so well how did you miss this? Fact is some folks were very foul in terms of their treatment towards the church you now want to make nicey nicey with. Reminds me of that old saying about the people you meet going up the ladder are the very ones you meet coming down.

Are you trying to imply that the Church or members there are holding some form of grudge?

[lacy]

If we build it, they will come? That's fiscal responsbility for sure.

[wvhsparent]

I am putting a stop to any talk of past political contibutions...that is over with......any mention will be deleted.

SSM you did not answer the question 3rd HS? yes or no?

[doctorwho]

archwinsome said:

harry said:

You might not be able to but CFO can ;D

Oh, you mean the group that could not get people to the polls in 2006 like they could in 2005 because people finally started doing their own thinking.

let me check their web site ....hmmmm not there ? CRAFT ? Reduced to LTE's by onetov..... you can fool the people once ..because no one knew who they were..( 203 also figured out the same bunch in their district - also out ), but once exposed, most people around here are smarter than to buy their 'facts'

[rew]

Why can't I get my question answered?? Who on the board, who was 100% behind BB two weeks ago is now unwilling to pay the $30M??

[wvhsparent]

rew said:

Why can't I get my question answered?? Who on the board, who was 100% behind BB two weeks ago is now unwilling to pay the $30M??

I was never for BB from the start and am still not.

Your answer is in the no response... I am not sure there were many who were 100% behind it ever.