Dist. 204 can't afford Metea site

[gatormom]

You could simplify the whole thing and make MV a freshman center for the entire district the first year it is open.

It would be lousy for afterschool activities but it would give the entire district a taste of the new school.

[warriorpride]

rew said:

Thanks for posting that "boundaries for dummies" version WP. I wasn't understanding the concept either.

Yoo do run into families being split, which is already happening and you do commit to a lot of double bus runs for a couple of yrs, but it would solve the temp overcrowding at WV.

The split-family scenario can happen with any boundary change.
They've provided for the family-split scenario in the past, I believe (i.e. allow a "legacy" to remain at the same school), so that could be continued.

[we4]

gatormom said:

You could simplify the whole thing and make MV a freshman center for the entire district the first year it is open.

It would be lousy for afterschool activities but it would give the entire district a taste of the new school.

You can then put SO in the old Freshman campus at NV. WV would still have the same amount of kids. Would that be an issue? Unless you took a smaller ES and sent them to NV.

[rew]

Does anyone have the numbers crunched for exactly what the overcrowding looks like at WV? for 2010,2011? Using current figures???

[wvhsparent]

doctorwho said:

wvhsparent said:

if so, one changes plans and opens up MVHS with 3 grades the 1st year, even all 4, if needed.

? -- do you have a child that will be affected if that happens? Not trying to sound mean so please don't take it that way, but my guess is those who do will look at this suggestion differently than those who don't.

No I don't and I also understand your point of view, no offense taken.
You are right, my thought process is different, but I am not sorry for that either.

[wvhsparent]

archwinsome said:

wvhsparent said:

OK point taken....anyone here have a possible Jr/Sr that this might affect? ask them and report back please.

My daughter will be directly effected by this. She's class 2012. Previously, we've talked a lot about the year of transition being moved and depending on what is decided they may move her over if it's done on time or a year late or she may stay where she started (her first choice). When we really got into the topic of how she was going to feel about being moved to a new school that just opened up she fired back:

"Dad, won't everyone at the new school be the 'new kid' ?? We'll all have something in common."

I love the way her brain thinks...

Kids say the darnedest things!!!

[gatormom]

Just another quick thought, why not delay closing the WV Gold center for a year or 2 and house the 7th MS at Metea.

[warriorpride]

gatormom said:

Just another quick thought, why not delay closing the WV Gold center for a year or 2 and house the 7th MS at Metea.

Ah, so assuming (and we all know what can happen when we do that!) that MV is fully constructed when it opens, you're suggesting partitioning MV to be 1/2 MV frosh/soph and 1/2 MS #7?

ETA: I'll take this idea a step futher: if the MS level needs overcrowding to be addressed first, then get MV 1/2 built & open it ONLY as MS #7, then complete MV, keep it as MS #7 while the MV frosh/soph come in, and then transition as appropropriate.

[gatormom]

warriorpride said:

gatormom said:

Just another quick thought, why not delay closing the WV Gold center for a year or 2 and house the 7th MS at Metea.

Ah, so assuming (and we all know what can happen when we do that!) that MV is fully constructed when it opens, you're suggestion partitioning MV to be 1/2 MV frosh/soph and 1/2 MS #7?

Yes. Since there will be a freshman wing in MV, use that.

[gatordog]

I think it works to just stick with the original plan (edit: for high schoolers), that is have MVHS open with fr-soph, even if this opening is 2010-2011.

The crowding issue is with WV since it losses its Fr campus. I think the numbers show that WV can still be ok for the 2010-2011 with juniors who were "supposed" to be at MV. Of couse the same applies at NV, their juniors simply stay at NV also.

Here is why:

Background:
-Enrollment thread post had each ES 2007-08 enrollment...I am using that.
-Assume current boundaries remain intact.
-Assume 2010-2011 year MVHS opening. Assume WV Gold converted to MS then.
-Assume future WV capacity of 3000 and NV capacity of 4200

Based on current boundaries situation:
-WV feeder ES's will produce about 1110 student per HS grade level.
-NV feeder ES's will produce about 1140 student per HS grade level.
(Note: this "checks" pretty good with dpc/bob enrollment projection for 2010-11.)

The future-situation:
-WV feeder ES's will produce about 650 student per HS grade level.
-NV feeder ES's will produce about 890 student per HS grade level.
-NV feeder ES's will produce about 700 student per HS grade level.


2010-11 MV Start-up with Fr and Soph only:
WV=2*1110 + 2*650 =3520
NV= 2*1140 + 2*890= 4060
MV=2*700 = 1400 (two classes)

2010-11 MV Start-up with Fr,Soph, and Jrs :
WV=1*1110 + 3*650 =3060
NV= 2*1140 + 2*890= 3810
MV=3*700 = 2100 (three classes)

My conclusion:
1. Keep all the Class of 2012 as juniors at their current HS. Dont move them.
2. There is room for them at NV. No need at all for them to be moved to MV. I dont think it would be fair to them to tell them they have to move.
3. As fairness issue, I strongly feel that you cannot tell WV students they have to move as juniors if NV students are not.
3. Yes...WV will be 500 overcapacity, but think that can be handled for one year. I do not think this is grossly or severely overcrowd for this one year. I will say its "only" 500 over capacity.

[title1parent]

gatormom said:

warriorpride said:

Ah, so assuming (and we all know what can happen when we do that!) that MV is fully constructed when it opens, you're suggestion partitioning MV to be 1/2 MV frosh/soph and 1/2 MS #7?

Yes. Since there will be a freshman wing in MV, use that.

When NV opened, they were constructing the Prairie Children Preschool/DEC. The preschoolers went to a part of NV while construction was happening.

GM that is a great idea.

[doctorwho]

wvhsparent said:

doctorwho said:

? -- do you have a child that will be affected if that happens? Not trying to sound mean so please don't take it that way, but my guess is those who do will look at this suggestion differently than those who don't.

No I don't and I also understand your point of view, no offense taken.
You are right, my thought process is different, but I am not sorry for that either.

nor should you be as long as your recognize there are likely 2 very different sides to the view depending on effect on ones own students

[doctorwho]

gatormom said:

Just another quick thought, why not delay closing the WV Gold center for a year or 2 and house the 7th MS at Metea.

hmm -- not a bad idea as I look at it -- lots of bussing though especially if they put that school on one of the far ends of the district

[gatordog]

Concerning BB "walkaway costs":
It seems to me we can remove
-the cost of a delayed start
-the cost of dealing with overcrowding for that 1 yr delay

It looks like these costs are virtually equal now, whether we stay at BB or leave BB. It looks like SB has made the choice to "pay" these costs.

I am basing this not only on actions, but also on this statement: "A 2009 opening is certainly not completely out of the question yet," Metzger said. "In certain scenarios where we will have to pay possibly substantial additional funds, it is still possible."

Since cost is a big factor now...I cant see the SB delaying site selection to save money, then paying more to make up for it.

Since we are going to the court for answers,resolution, even new trial...it seems to me that the court operates on time-scale of months, not weeks.

So much for all of us holding our breaths.

Hang in there, MVHS class of 2012, 2013, 2014....whoever you are!

[momof3]

I am hoping that they are further along with another property but they didn't want to take BB off the table completely until another property is sewn up.

Filing that motion was an easy way to keep BB on the table.