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[Arch]

The original poster of this put it in the wrong thread and area. He was warned in PM to start posting them in their respective areas.
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Here's some pictures and a write up from Yesterday's accident involving things that people say are 'safe'.






www.kgbt4.com/Global/story.asp?S=7878064

Firefighters Put Out McCook Gas Pipeline Explosion

Updated: Feb 15, 2008 06:11 PM

Reported by Victor Castillo

MCCOOK, Texas - Multiple agencies were called in for mutual aid to assist in a natural gas pipeline explosion operated by HESCO gas.

Tony Peña, Hidalgo County Emergency Management Coordinator and County Fire Marshal, said flames at one point were shooting about four to five hundred feet from the ignition source.

This particular line was a 20-inch line which was flowing in excess of 20-million cubic feet of gas per minute, according to Edinburg Fire Chief Sean Snyder.

At the scene one person was injured, luckily he was treated and released.

"And what you all see now and have been seeing is the gas well side bleeding off, it's burning off the product" said Snyder.

"The pipeline was shutdown about 10-miles north of here and there's a lift station for the pipeline for the fuel, for the gas. On the south side of it was shut down immediately" Peña told Action 4 News.

"And on an environmental issue it's important for us to burn off the excess gas and the liquid in order to maintain the environment around the well site" Chief Snyder added.

Authorities were not sure exactly how this explosion happened but they are aware of similar explosion that happen across the United States. "They happen every now and then, they're pipelines and they're subject to wear and tear just like any other equipment that's out here" Peña said.

Power lines on the north side of the explosion were also affected. Power was briefly out for the vicinity but the power company secured the lines and service was restored within hours.

[wvhsparent]

Looks like they have a few more pipelines than we do.

arch, from the looks of it, this would not be an area for you to retire to.

[Arch]

I sure as heck would never live there.

The rub is... you never know which one is the next one to fail.

[wvhsparent]

archwinsome said:

I sure as heck would never live there.

The rub is... you never know which one is the next one to fail.

True, and it is something I don't even worry about.

[casey]

wvhsparent said:

archwinsome said:

I sure as heck would never live there.

The rub is... you never know which one is the next one to fail.

True, and it is something I don't even worry about.

Wow! Personally I find the information QUITE disturbing and am unsure how one could be so cavalier about potential dangers of the site !

I'm curious who will sign sign off on the liability of the MWGEN site? I personally find it disturbing that we could be sitting down the road with serious litigation issues with regards to this site. Remember, according to our own intelligent SB, this site is "between a probability or certainty to exposure to such electric magnetic radiation" (according to their original site report!). Any future legal issues regarding this site will cost the entire school district. I'm glad that you, wvshsP are ok with the site but I don't see our SB/SD can afford to take that chance . What's the big rush to get a school up there? Slow down and re-examine the site.

[wvhsparent]

casey said:

wvhsparent said:

True, and it is something I don't even worry about.

Wow! Personally I find the information QUITE disturbing and am unsure how one could be so cavalier about potential dangers of the site !

I'm curious who will sign sign off on the liability of the MWGEN site? I personally find it disturbing that we could be sitting down the road with serious litigation issues with regards to this site. Remember, according to our own intelligent SB, this site is "between a probability or certainty to exposure to such electric magnetic radiation" (according to their original site report!). Any future legal issues regarding this site will cost the entire school district. I'm glad that you, wvshsP are ok with the site but I don't see our SB/SD can afford to take that chance . What's the big rush to get a school up there? Slow down and re-examine the site.

Because the probablity of an event occurring is on the order of 1 trillion to 1.
I used to live by these very lines which wend their way thru our district. The pipeline people sent out flyers annually to all of us near them. There are "pipeline patrols" flying the route regularly.

I don't recall seeing what kind of gas was carried in the pipeline in TX. From my reading I surmised it to be gasoline, not Natural Gas.

[casey]

Ok, now I'm looking like Arch here posting all my environmental concerns but I do think it is something that needs to completely explored (you know, beating a dead horse).

Given the cost and other issues, I just don't understand how our SB can be moving ahead on this site. Take a look at this one:


murray.senate.gov/pipelinesafety/pipeline-stats.cfm

Pipeline Safety--

Update to this chart: Murray/McCain Pipeline safety act passed in 2002 detail follows in next section below-however, that means on average instead of 1 accident a day, there are .6 per day or about 213 per year!
A Nationwide Problem
Pipelines Impact Our Safety and Environment

Since 1986, there have been:

5,700 Pipeline Accidents


325 Deaths


1,500 Injuries


$ 850+ million Environmental Damage
An On-going Problem:

On Average, There Is 1 Pipeline Accident Every Day Every Year 6 Million Gallons of Hazardous Material Are Spilled

Summary of All Pipeline Accidents by State



National Map of Accidents

(Click on Map to Enlarge)




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

murray.senate.gov/pipelinesafety/index.cfm
Pipeline Safety
The Challenge
In June of 1999, a pipeline exploded in Whatcom Falls Park, killing three young people. The community came together and demanded safer pipelines.



Senator Murray wrote the first pipeline safety bill, educated other Senators, secured funding for new inspectors and technology, and got her bill passed three times (timeline). In December 2002, the Murray-McCain Pipeline Safety Act became law.

Pipelines Are Safer Today

Pipeline Accidents: Down 40 percent in Washington since Murray’s law passed.
Stronger Inspections: Inspections are 10 times more rigorous than before.
Fixing Problems: Pipeline problems are being found and fixed at double the rate before the law.
Boosting Staff: The Office of Pipeline Safety has been increased by 20 percent.
Stronger Enforcement: "Corrective Action Orders" issued at three times the rate they did five years ago.
Higher Penalties: Average civil penalties have doubled.

[wvhsparent]

a few facts missing...How many miles of pipeline does this encompass? Millions......
How many were a result of careless excavating, probably a huge majority ( I would guess over 90%)

Give me those numbers and maybe we can talk further.

Again a nice post engineered to a certain position.

[proschool]

wvhsparent said:

casey said:

Wow! Personally I find the information QUITE disturbing and am unsure how one could be so cavalier about potential dangers of the site !

I'm curious who will sign sign off on the liability of the MWGEN site? I personally find it disturbing that we could be sitting down the road with serious litigation issues with regards to this site. Remember, according to our own intelligent SB, this site is "between a probability or certainty to exposure to such electric magnetic radiation" (according to their original site report!). Any future legal issues regarding this site will cost the entire school district. I'm glad that you, wvshsP are ok with the site but I don't see our SB/SD can afford to take that chance . What's the big rush to get a school up there? Slow down and re-examine the site.

Because the probablity of an event occurring is on the order of 1 trillion to 1.
I used to live by these very lines which wend their way thru our district. The pipeline people sent out flyers annually to all of us near them. There are "pipeline patrols" flying the route regularly.

I don't recall seeing what kind of gas was carried in the pipeline in TX. From my reading I surmised it to be gasoline, not Natural Gas.

The artilcle clearly says "natural gas."

[wvhsparent]

proschool said:

wvhsparent said:

Because the probablity of an event occurring is on the order of 1 trillion to 1.
I used to live by these very lines which wend their way thru our district. The pipeline people sent out flyers annually to all of us near them. There are "pipeline patrols" flying the route regularly.

I don't recall seeing what kind of gas was carried in the pipeline in TX. From my reading I surmised it to be gasoline, not Natural Gas.

The artilcle clearly says "natural gas."

DOH! My bad....

[casey]

wvhsparent said:

a few facts missing...How many miles of pipeline does this encompass? Millions......
How many were a result of careless excavating, probably a huge majority ( I would guess over 90%)

Give me those numbers and maybe we can talk further.

Again a nice post engineered to a certain position.

I think we can agree that neither one of us are experts but let's face it why should anyone be "guessing". Again, who's signing off this MWGEN site as being completely environmentally sound? Maybe the Dash can get the Good Reverend (he honestly called him that!) to give it his blessing ;D.

[Arch]

wvhsparent said:

a few facts missing...How many miles of pipeline does this encompass? Millions......
How many were a result of careless excavating, probably a huge majority ( I would guess over 90%)

Give me those numbers and maybe we can talk further.

Again a nice post engineered to a certain position.

Read up on Microbial induced corrosion (MIC) and the overcompensation of cathodic protection that leads to current induced corrosion.

As for engineering a post to a certain position, one side of the issue deals with people who say there are too many FATAL HAZARDS that are beyond our control there at that site and don't think anyone's children should be sent into a situation like that every single day. The others say, basically, "So what?"

The gas companies flying planes up and down the easements can only find visual evidence of a leak. That is when it's potentially too late.

[rj]

What about the gas pipeline under the parkway front of your house Arch? For that matter the one feeding the gas meter on your house? I realize these are smaller, but they fail also, resulting in fires and explosions.

I can't believe you would raise your children in such a volatile dangerous situation. ;D

[Arch]

rj said:

What about the gas pipeline under the parkway front of your house Arch? For that matter the one feeding the gas meter on your house? I realize these are smaller, but they fail also, resulting in fires and explosions.

I can't believe you would raise your children in such a volatile dangerous situation. ;D

I've had Nicor out every other year to inspect it, thank you. I've also had the ones inside my house inspected on multiple occasions too since I've lived here.

Even a single house one can potentially take out my structure and my neighbor's.

[rj]

I've had Nicor out every other year to inspect it, thank you.

So they like dig up the street and your yard to inspect the gas lines? that has to cost a bundle, as that is the only feasible way to inspect an underground gas main.