Valley Voices Boundary chatter good for laughs

[mandmmom]

momto4 said:

mandmmom said:

Do you have information about anyone at WV or NV developing a mysterious illness? I wasn't here when NV was built, but did they have environmental concerns with that land?

Generally kids' illness is fairly private unless the family agrees to have a story in the newspaper or have a fundraiser. There have definitely been illnesses and deaths in both schools that have made the news. I'm just saying that this happens in any large population of people and is not related to environmental hazard.

As for the people who keep talking about giant tomatoes and the like, if the farming there was really so awesome the land probably wouldn't be for sale. People have been farming that land for ages now and it doesn't look different than the few other area farms that are still here.

I hate to think that there might be a set of people who will attribute everything that goes wrong with people at the new building to environment, when in real life people get sick all the time.

So if your kids go to the new school and they start developing mysterious systems, such as headaches and nosebleeds...you won't be thinking in the back of you mind this might be from the site of the high school...more power to you if you could do that...I am willing to assume that if 1 kid becomes ill and starts developing mysterious symptoms, then you will see parents in an uproar.....again the reason for my comments is b/c the SB discounted this site 2 years ago for environmental concerns, they are the ones opening themselves up to future problems.

[d204mom]

Back to the Valley View opinion piece, when I read the title I thought the article was going to be about Daeschner laughing at the speakers on Tuesday night. I thought the Beacon "got it" - I guess not.

People are pretty much the same. I'm sure if the Oswego superintendent laughed at parents and they got locked out of the meeting with the police telling them to "GO HOME" they would be angry too.

Furor and peace: school districts' boundary stories
BY MIKE CETERA

In the Oswego School District, all seems calm over proposed boundary shifts. Not so much in the Indian Prairie School District, where parents are hopping mad.

Boundary changes are often an emotional issue, where an arbitrary line can literally divide neighborhoods, and kids who have gone to school together all their lives suddenly find themselves ripped apart from their classmates.

But if the issue is so contentious in one district, why isn't it in the other?

The difference appears to rest in how the parents in each district think they've been treated.

Here's an example of the reaction to the Indian Prairie plans:

The Ashwood development is slated to have 800 homes, but they have been slow to develop. That meant the first residents, such as (Terri) Wiborg, had to send their children to Kendall and Graham elementary schools for the last several years until Peterson opened in fall 2007.
"We feel like an island and that nobody actually considers our feelings," Wiborg said.


Here's an example of the reaction to the Oswego plans:

Parents mostly praised Behlow's plans, which would affect 685 students in 2008-2009 and 905 in 2009-2010.
"I only have six words for you: Thank you, thank you, thank you," parent Brad Gooch said.

[mandmmom]

fryfox said:

sushi said:

Fryfox, what location do you suggest?

At this point, I think they'd be better off to try to negotiate with BB outside of the courts and see if they can come to an agreement. I think Macom is a better site for the money, but I can see that it would cause an uproar in the north. So I guess I would rather see them try to make that work.

Unfortunately, now they have the AME land which they'd have to sell.

Good luck in trying to sell that...

[sushi]

Did they actually close on any land at AME? I think not. As posted above, BB is dead IMO and the opinion of the board. Beaten like Topher's horse.

The Macom site did not have a beaker plant. It only has a road to be moved, people living on it who have the right to live on it in perpetuity, power plant/lines and RR tracks and is less than 2 miles from NV. ANother perfect location!

[d204mom]

Is it so hard to acknowledge the parents that got kicked out of the meeting or had to be crammed in the lobby straining to hear the meeting? I haven't seen any sort of apology out of the board or Daeschner. It's really been sticking in my craw.

[d204mom]

sushi said:

Did they actually close on any land at AME? I think not. As posted above, BB is dead IMO and the opinion of the board. Beaten like Topher's horse.

The Macom site did not have a beaker plant. It only has a road to be moved, people living on it who have the right to live on it in perpetuity, power plant/lines and RR tracks and is less than 2 miles from NV. ANother perfect location!

I am guessing you could get more than 2400 students there without the horrible south-to-north commute that Daeschner now at least has acknowledged.

[Arch]

momto4 said:

fryfox said:

At this point, I think they'd be better off to try to negotiate with BB outside of the courts and see if they can come to an agreement. I think Macom is a better site for the money, but I can see that it would cause an uproar in the north. So I guess I would rather see them try to make that work.

Unfortunately, now they have the AME land which they'd have to sell.

But BB was NOT willing to negotiate or we'd have the land. Our SB and Admin tried everything they could to get that land and many who weren't that keen on the site thought they held on too long as it is. I don't think anything more could have been done outside of paying the jury price.

When could a school open on Macom site, realistically? It doesn't seem like it would be anytime soon and I thought they had some of the same concerns as AME? Power lines, tracks? Plus others.

In the scorecard of negatives, Macomb had less than MWGEN/AME. 6 active transit pipelines less and also less power lines. Same substation problem, same RR track problems but might cause less people to have to traverse at-grade crossings. Without real bus routes, that's only a guess and should not really count one way or the other.

[sushi]

mustangpride said:

mandmmom said:

I am new and I knew nothing about WV, but you constantly state the negative comments that people say about WV....by doing this you are actually perpetuating this reputation...please stop stating these ugly comments, and start saying positive things about WV....b/c you are really contributing to the problem, even if you are not trying too.

I agree. This type of talk does nothing but stir up more trouble IMO.

And the people I know who are concerned have no beef with WVHS.

I don't think I am contributing to the problem; I am trying to call out the people who are hiding behind their stated agendas. I want them to be honest with themselves. I, too, know many people who are excited about WV for many reasons.

[mandmmom]

d204mom said:

Is it so hard to acknowledge the parents that got kicked out of the meeting or had to be crammed in the lobby straining to hear the meeting? I haven't seen any sort of apology out of the board or Daeschner. It's really been sticking in my craw.

They don't care....it is really disheartening to see our leadership treat our district this way.....very ashamed of their behavior. They really need to remember that children were there and they should especially not act that way around them.

[Arch]

sushi said:

mustangpride said:

I agree. This type of talk does nothing but stir up more trouble IMO.

And the people I know who are concerned have no beef with WVHS.

I don't think I am contributing to the problem; I am trying to call out the people who are hiding behind their stated agendas. I want them to be honest with themselves. I, too, know many people who are excited about WV for many reasons.

There are many who are not excited to leave WV and many that are excited to leave it.

[sushi]

Arch, what about the people living there? What about the road?

[mandmmom]

sushi said:

mustangpride said:

I agree. This type of talk does nothing but stir up more trouble IMO.

And the people I know who are concerned have no beef with WVHS.

I don't think I am contributing to the problem; I am trying to call out the people who are hiding behind their stated agendas. I want them to be honest with themselves. I, too, know many people who are excited about WV for many reasons.

I do think you mean well and you are trying to call out the bad apples, but by constantly re-stating the negative comments it just reminds people of it...for some reason we all remember the bad stuff and not the good stuff.

[sushi]

mandmmom said:

d204mom said:

Is it so hard to acknowledge the parents that got kicked out of the meeting or had to be crammed in the lobby straining to hear the meeting? I haven't seen any sort of apology out of the board or Daeschner. It's really been sticking in my craw.

They don't care....it is really disheartening to see our leadership treat our district this way.....very ashamed of their behavior. They really need to remember that children were there and they should especially not act that way around them.

Althought I was surprised at the Board's behavior, I realized after hearing the same thing over and over again from the same neighborhoods, that they are sick of it. I am sure nothing was said that wasn't e-mailed 1200 times to the board before the meeting. However, I wish they could have checked their anger and taken the high road so as not to fuel the fire.

[mandmmom]

sushi said:

mandmmom said:

They don't care....it is really disheartening to see our leadership treat our district this way.....very ashamed of their behavior. They really need to remember that children were there and they should especially not act that way around them.

Althought I was surprised at the Board's behavior, I realized after hearing the same thing over and over again from the same neighborhoods, that they are sick of it. I am sure nothing was said that wasn't e-mailed 1200 times to the board before the meeting. However, I wish they could have checked their anger and taken the high road so as not to fuel the fire.

They do not get to pick and choose what they get to hear....if they are here for the entire district, then they are here for all the neighborhoods, big or small. I agree they should have taken the high road, b/c they are the leaders and to be an effective one you must be able to deal with conflict....they wanted this job, so if they can’t handle it then maybe they should step down.....

[Arch]

sushi said:

Arch, what about the people living there? What about the road?

What about the peaker plant?

The road is scheduled to be moved this spring (supposedly). ComEd needs 6 months lead time and that work order should be in their queues from last year I believe.

The peaker isn't even scheduled but the best time being thrown around was december 2008 that I heard. When is remediation of the environmental problems scheduled?

Have you read the planning council minutes from Aurora about their opinion of the aggressiveness of the site plans at MWGEN? Rush jobs around pipelines... Perfect formula.