Pictures of the recommended AME Metea Site

[WeBe204]

napermom said:

proschool said:

I have similar thoughts WE4. My kids may never go to MV or even near it. Even so I am proud of all 204 schools. Choosing the least expensive alternative is not the most important thing to me.

AME is not even the least expensive alternative. Hamman's price is cheaper.

Yeah, but its that magic 2009 date that will get offered for AME site. That half finished 2009 school will be the shiny piece of glass the admin will hold up to distract people from the facts. And no one will be able to refute it because the administration will say it can be done. And when it does not happen what are we gonna do tell them to take it down....

I will admit I have not read all the posts since the announcement, but I have not really noticed too many people here saying that they believe the 2009 date. That too me is the weakest link in the current recommendation.

Oh, well going to bed..

[Arch]

Price is not everything.

[refbasics]

From the Naperville Sun Potluck Blog:

..."Tired, I agree. As the population of South Naperville grows (which is occuring south of 95th street) the City should add any additional fire stations needed to support this population growth somewhere near Route 88 (8 miles north of the growth).
Posted by: Anonymous | January 21, 2008 01:24 PM"



At first i thought this was funny, and ironic.. but then, i thought what is the fire station capability(?) there at the site... since it is a big facility with 3,000 + people?

Probably a good question to ask!

[magneto]

refbasics said:

From the Naperville Sun Potluck Blog:

..."Tired, I agree. As the population of South Naperville grows (which is occuring south of 95th street) the City should add any additional fire stations needed to support this population growth somewhere near Route 88 (8 miles north of the growth).
Posted by: Anonymous | January 21, 2008 01:24 PM"



At first i thought this was funny, and ironic.. but then, i thought what is the fire station capability(?) there at the site... since it is a big facility with 3,000 + people?

Probably a good question to ask!

Full Fire station about 1 mile west on Diehl from Eola.

Not a valid comparison. You can't compare a Fire Station to that of a school.

[gumby]

I think the point was to make sure that there's enough fire station support for an extra 3,000 people in that part of the city.

[refbasics]

gumby said:

I think the point was to make sure that there's enough fire station support for an extra 3,000 people in that part of the city.

Thank you, gumby.. that IS what i was asking.

i have no clue what magneto was referring to.

[WeBe204]

refbasics said:

gumby said:

I think the point was to make sure that there's enough fire station support for an extra 3,000 people in that part of the city.

Thank you, gumby.. that IS what i was asking.

i have no clue what magneto was referring to.

The comment was pulled out of potluck. So, Magnetos comment makes no sense here. The poster said:

Start
Tired, I agree. As the population of South Naperville grows (which is occurring south of 95th street) the City should add any additional fire stations needed to support this population growth somewhere near Route 88 (8 miles north of the growth).
END

The point was it makes no sense to add a fire station 8 miles away form the growth. Basically, saying it makes no sense to put a school 8 miles from the growth. It made me laugh when I read it. Now it feels tainted...

[204parent]

It seems like Arch is the only one concerned about building a school near an underground 36" natural gas pipe. While it is VERY, VERY rare for these pipes to rupture, it does happen.

In 1994, a 36" gas pipe ruptured in Edison, NJ. At the time, I lived about 10 miles away. I felt the explosion, and could see the flames from my house.

They believe the cause of the rupture was a nick or gouge in the pipe, caused by an excavator years before. The nick accelerated the corrosion in that area of the pipe, eventually allowing it to rupture.

This explosion was the impetus for the "call before you dig" laws.

Take a look at the video below.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durham_Woods_Fire

www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyMbaZ9FVjA

[fence]

I have a general concern that we need to even discuss the upside/downside of putting this school next to a transformer and over a gas pipeline. Regardless of anything they can evidence or measure, the safety of the site will forever be disputed, and the perception that people are going to have of this location starts the school off on the wrong foot before we even start building.

[blankcheck]

Like I said on the other thread eagledad, maybe you should also post pictures of the financial statements to go along with these pictures.

[proschool]

fence said:

I have a general concern that we need to even discuss the upside/downside of putting this school next to a transformer and over a gas pipeline. Regardless of anything they can evidence or measure, the safety of the site will forever be disputed, and the perception that people are going to have of this location starts the school off on the wrong foot before we even start building.

Yes our opinion is formed one way or another before the school is built. But how about a family that has to form an opinion after they find out that an employee of a child has come down with a disease and never be able to tell conclusively that the builing site was not a factor.

[EagleDad]

Here's a neat Google maps challenge.

Can anyone find a bigger, more menacing electrical substation anwhere in the district to put the school next to?

Don't worry about open land, this is hypothetical.

[rj]

fence said:

I have a general concern that we need to even discuss the upside/downside of putting this school next to a transformer and over a gas pipeline.

The school isn't going to be built over the gas line.

The gas line runs along the RR and High tension line right of way behind the property so nothing is ever built on top of it.

BTW, this is the same gas line that runs along the right of way near the tracks by Hamman and Macom, so I guess those two are out.

[proschool]

eagledad said:

Here's a neat Google maps challenge.

Can anyone find a bigger, more menacing electrical substation anwhere in the district to put the school next to?

Don't worry about open land, this is hypothetical.

Can we get extra credit if we find a larger switching station next to any school in the country?

[proschool]

Big power lines near Olentangy school worry parents
They pose no danger, officials say
Saturday, May 26, 2007 3:24 AM
By Holly Zachariah

THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

KYLE ROBERTSONDISPATCH
Transmission lines hang over school property at the new $30 million Liberty Tree Elementary and Hyatts Middle combined schools in Powell.

POWELL -- The parents stood at the entrance of the new school and, like scientists in a laboratory, scribbled numbers onto clipboards and punched data into Palm Pilots.

One even carried her own handheld meter designed to detect dangers in the air.

A constant hum came from the distance during the informal gathering Wednesday night at Olentangy's new combined $30 million schools, Liberty Tree Elementary and Hyatts Middle.

That background buzz came from the 765-kilovolt power transmission lines that hang over the school property from 130-foot-tall towers. The parents came to see for themselves if the electromagnetic field the lines create is dangerous enough to cause cancer in children.

The district had American Electric Power test the area, and administrators say it is safe.

"I was confident six months ago, and as I do more research, I am more confident each day," said Superintendent Scott Davis.

Some parents aren't so sure. They say the lines pose a threat. The lines have been in place since 1970 and are as large and as powerful as it gets when it comes to cross-country transmission in the power grid.

"The district's attitude is one of 'back off and trust us,' " said Randy Demyan, who has a daughter starting at Hyatts in the fall.

The towers flank the school like massive ornamental gateposts, and Demyan said their look alone is ominous.

The combined school building is on 77 acres of donated land and is set to open in August.

About 50 parents collectively asked for permission to hire a private contractor to independently test the intensity of the electromagnetic field at the school. Administrators said no.

Davis did agree to a tour to allow parents to gauge for themselves whether there is a health threat.

Most of the group left satisfied because the readings were low.

Olentangy's facilities director, Andy Kerr, carried a $400 meter and escorted the group from one location to another. The meter measured the low-frequency energy produced by the strength and motion of an electric charge.

Some research suggests that prolonged exposure to any area with a reading more than 10 mG can be a health risk. (Milligauss is the unit of measurement.)

But there really are no standards or state or federal regulations. Decades of work and thousands of studies have produced conflicting information on the correlation between power lines and cancer, particularly childhood leukemia, said Christopher Portier, a scientist with the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences.

The institute's report to Congress in 1999 said research on animals and humans failed to find "a causal relationship."

"Just because you cannot say one causes the other, does not mean there is no link," Portier said. "The debate continues."

The Olentangy school building sits 500 feet away from the power lines, and administrators say that distance weakens the field to negligible.

The highest reading Wednesday, outside of the building's electrical control rooms, was 60 mG. That was outside in green space in front of the building, next to the baseball field and directly under the lowest sag in the wires. Davis said building administrators would ensure kids and coaches don't use that spot.

Inside the school, most areas read between 1 and 3 mG. Kerr promised parents he would have AEP return for tests in August.

"It still seems like a bad idea to be here," Demyan said after the walk-through. "But I feel slightly better than before."