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Post by MustangSix on Jan 22, 2008 8:07:11 GMT -6
I disagree on the SB stuff - I think Metzger knows his stuff and Glawe is no one's puppet. Perhaps they are working hand in hand which they should be doing.
Why does everyone ignore the fact that Macom does not own all the land and cannot produce a parcel next week or next month? Naperville Park District has legal issues with them. That isn't working out anytime soon. And the way it was presented like it was a 'no brainer' by Macom leads me to believe I wouldn't want to work with that character on a bar mitzvah let alone a major land deal.
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Post by casey on Jan 22, 2008 8:15:06 GMT -6
Why does everyone ignore the fact that Macom does not own all the land and cannot produce a parcel next week or next month? Naperville Park District has legal issues with them. That isn't working out anytime soon. And the way it was presented like it was a 'no brainer' by Macom leads me to believe I wouldn't want to work with that character on a bar mitzvah let alone a major land deal. And how exactly do you know that? From all that I've learned Macom is good to go. The Park District issues have been resolved. You can confirm that with the Park District or Macom. The SB doesn't want to make MACOM work but don't blame it on Macom. Your comment about not wanting to work with "that character" is the EXACT reason the SB members won't pursue Macom. They have their own egos at stake and don't want to work with PL. |
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Post by d204mom on Jan 22, 2008 8:35:05 GMT -6
The most disturbing thing I've read or heard is this snippet from the paper:
School leaders say there are no safety concerns with the site. The firm is working toward meeting specific environmental standards, and consultants have determined the school is far enough away from power lines, leaders say.
What standards are currently NOT being met and what is being done to meet these standards? Why has there been NO information released on the environmental standards that are currently being violated?
What are the sellers concerned about? And why are the buyers not disclosing what the sellers are concerned about?
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Post by Arch on Jan 22, 2008 8:50:26 GMT -6
You are flat wrong. Many of us will have kids shifting from WVHS to MV if the boundaries work out that way. This site has safety hazards that are being ignored or glossed over with fudge to suit some people's personal agendas. If we're going to call things what they are, the personal agendas seem to be on both sides of the fence. Some have mentioned that they are entitled to have the new school because they paid for NV all those moons ago. How old is that pipeline and when was the last time it was inspected for damage, pits, corrosion, etc? Probably the same time you dug up your entire yard and inspected your gas line feeding to your house. They are all as deadly it we really want to weigh risk. I spoke to one of the Nicor Reps for their Construction Division - she works right under the top guy heading Construction for Illinois. Her response was that natural gas transportation underground is by far one of the safest transports of energy. Do they dig up the line and inspect it annually no - she said gas lines exploisions are a result of someone trying to tap into a line that shouldn't. She said there are easements in place to protect that line from any construction related incidents. She also mentioned that those lines are created to far exceed our life expectancy. Based on our conversation I also took away from the conversation that our home lines are more susceptable to issues because homeowners are more likely to dig without locating the line. As for train tracks lets all hope our High school children are smart enough to know what those dangers are - have you considered asking for a fence? The finding about an explosion I posted in another thread was from the result of corrosion. Further, several departments in the US Govt. are devoting many resources towards attempts to secure our nation's energy infrastructure. Natural Gas Pipelines are a part of that infrastructure. If there was no inherent danger from purposeful intent to damage them we would not be wasting the money doing threat assessments, training, terror drills, etc. Homeowners take on their own risk if they dig before calling JULIE. Maybe there's a commonality between people who dig without calling to be informed and putting a school next to a 3 foot diameter natural gas pipeline: You can't stop stupid. |
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Post by yeson321 on Jan 22, 2008 8:58:36 GMT -6
Apparently you have access to more detailed test results than we do - please share them. Do you know, with certainty, for example that the test results in teh Site Report were not taken before the whole site was shifted 1/4 mile north onto the Midwest Generation land and immediately adjacent to the power lines? If so please share the source of this information and the coordinates of the test readings. It would be good information to have. I have seen the footprint as proposed with the EMF readings mapped. The highest readings seem to be more because of the underground cabling and other factors at the corner entrance at Eola. Everything using electricity wether via a plug or wireless emits EMF's - you don't even want to know what is in the classrooms - thinking of taking a drive to Macom site with my gauss meter today along with our 2 other high schools. I don't have the physical copy of the data but the district does have it. I am sure that data will be at the meeting tonight. A powerline fight that extends off this line went all the way to the Illinois Supreme Court years back - the argument was never the EMF factor because even at the County level everyone realized this is a non-issue. You would have to be willing to eliminate all power from your life to truly be EMF free. Even with the cell phone data people won't take them out of their childrens hands. I have been asking SB members for days to see the mapping. Please explain what I need to do in order to see the information. |
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Post by swimmom on Jan 22, 2008 9:09:39 GMT -6
Hillmom,
Thanks for your thread on Scare Tactics. You mean that the backround for this whole site isn't a scare tactic? Right. COme on people. This is ridiculous. I agree that the school board needs aggressively share the information on EMS. I have every belief that will be done tonight. Will it be enough? Not for some people. There will never be enough some people. They will only be satisfied if the highschool is built in their neighborhood. Train tracks carring hazardous cargo??? Really now. I want the contract for the plastic bubbles that are kids apparently need to aquire to go outside. I could make millions.
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Post by twhl on Jan 22, 2008 9:09:52 GMT -6
This is only 1 factor that needs consideration. So it is not just "EMF" issue, but I will not list the others to save time. It is interesting that in the original evaluation, AME was considered dangerous to sell BB but now it is not. Specific to EMF, the new report states that affect on health is inconclusive, however this report has been published to support AME, not to challenge the site or to suggest it might be OK, but it is OK. It is also interesting that the actual data was available on the day it was taken (10/30/07) however the email report was not generated until 1/14/08, why the 2 1/2 month delay? The date on the 1/9/08 property layout also suggests monkey business, why the delay? The report "subject matter" suggests this is a revised report, can the Adm produce the original report? This subject like all contributing factors need to be published, and not only be discussed in Executive Session. Where are the same test reports for the other properties?
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Post by Arch on Jan 22, 2008 9:12:16 GMT -6
Hillmom, Thanks for your thread on Scare Tactics. You mean that the backround for this whole site isn't a scare tactic? Right. COme on people. This is ridiculous. I agree that the school board needs aggressively share the information on EMS. I have every belief that will be done tonight. Will it be enough? Not for some people. There will never be enough some people. They will only be satisfied if the highschool is built in their neighborhood. Train tracks carring hazardous cargo??? Really now. I want the contract for the plastic bubbles that are kids apparently need to aquire to go outside. I could make millions. I don't want it built in my neighborhood and I don't want it built on any site with that many dangers and risks. You can locate it 20 miles away on safe land and I will be happy sending my kids there. Yes, trains carry hazardous cargo and trains do have accidents and spill their cargo causing loss of life and damage to property. Have you not seen any news ever? So much for your theories about people's motivations. |
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Post by Arch on Jan 22, 2008 9:13:45 GMT -6
This is only 1 factor that needs consideration. So it is not just "EMF" issue, but I will not list the others to save time. It is interesting that in the original evaluation, AME was considered dangerous to sell BB but now it is not. Specific to EMF, the new report states that affect on health is inconclusive, however this report has been published to support AME, not to challenge the site or to suggest it might be OK, but it is OK. It is also interesting that the actual data was available on the day it was taken (10/30/07) however the email report was not generated until 1/14/08, why the 2 1/2 month delay? The date on the 1/9/08 property layout also suggests monkey business, why the delay? The report "subject matter" suggests this is a revised report, can the Adm produce the original report? This subject like all contributing factors need to be published, and not only be discussed in Executive Session. Where are the same test reports for the other properties? Interesting to note also the climate on the test dates. Spring and fall usually have the lowest electrical usage because people are not running ACs or Heaters as much. Low Demand = lower EMF. |
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Post by swimmom on Jan 22, 2008 9:13:49 GMT -6
Your motivations border on paranoia.
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Post by hillmom on Jan 22, 2008 9:15:52 GMT -6
Probably the same time you dug up your entire yard and inspected your gas line feeding to your house. They are all as deadly it we really want to weigh risk. I spoke to one of the Nicor Reps for their Construction Division - she works right under the top guy heading Construction for Illinois. Her response was that natural gas transportation underground is by far one of the safest transports of energy. Do they dig up the line and inspect it annually no - she said gas lines exploisions are a result of someone trying to tap into a line that shouldn't. She said there are easements in place to protect that line from any construction related incidents. She also mentioned that those lines are created to far exceed our life expectancy. Based on our conversation I also took away from the conversation that our home lines are more susceptable to issues because homeowners are more likely to dig without locating the line. As for train tracks lets all hope our High school children are smart enough to know what those dangers are - have you considered asking for a fence? Hillmom, Thanks for this post. EMFs are not an issue. The gas line is not an issue. What will be the next scary item found? An old Indian graveyard? It will probably be METEA himself - I did hear he was murdered |
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Post by Arch on Jan 22, 2008 9:17:53 GMT -6
Your motivations border on paranoia. Which is safer? A site without a natural gas pipeline or a site with it? Which is safer? A site with a railroad track or a site without it? Disaster prevention means you plan for the worst up front and take every precaution to eliminate as many hazards as possible, and minimize the rest that you can not eliminate completely. A different site eliminates 2 hazards and minimizes others. |
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Post by WeBe204 on Jan 22, 2008 9:20:33 GMT -6
Hillmom, Thanks for this post. EMFs are not an issue. The gas line is not an issue. What will be the next scary item found? An old Indian graveyard? It will probably be METEA himself - I did hear he was murdered Historical Off Topic comment: Metea died at Fort Wayne, Indiana on May 5, 1827. His death was caused by accidental ingestion of poison, which he mistook for whiskey. Edit: Source en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metea |
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Post by swimmom on Jan 22, 2008 9:23:18 GMT -6
A perfect name for our kids school. Ha Ha. I hear if you go there at midnight, you can see his drunken ghost.
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Post by swimmom on Jan 22, 2008 9:23:54 GMT -6
Maybe he will be at the board meeting tonight. Ha
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