AME Actual distances/times

[wvhsparent]

d204mom said:

warriorpride said:

(wvparent no longer has kids in HS, right?).

That is news to me. I thought when wvhsparent said the Northern site is great from his perspective, I though it was because he had kids that would attend.

wvhsparent said:

Exactly WP it's all a matter of perspective.....From mine a Northern site would be great. However I also do not think the Ferry Rd site would be prudent.
Of all the senarios, I liked AME for all but the 3rd one...and that one was also close, would hinge on timeframe.

Great for whom? The people that buy your house? I guess I'm confused regarding your zeal for the North site if you are completely unaffected.

Yes I currently have a son at WVHS (Senior). And yes trying to get to WVHS during PM rush is terrible (Daughter's VB Matches) easily close to 30min.

Does it matter if I will have anyone at the new HS? My house is not is a vacuum....I have many neighbors that will be affected.
I have other reasons too that are none of your business - thank you.

[doctorwho]

wvhsparent said:

momto4 said:

Hmmm. Seems I missed d204mom's post while I was at All Seasons on North Aurora Rd. It took me less than a minute to get out of the parking lot even though there were a few cars ahead of me.

I don't think think I've ever been as disrespectful to anyone here as you imply.

I agree with warriorpride, I travel east/south from here frequently but never take Eola to New York St. east.

North Aurora Rd. goes under the tracks and I have never had a problem traveling past the North Aurora Rd/Rt. 59 intersection going east or west at any time of day, only going south and occasionally north are problems. Has anyone else dealt with traffic back-ups traveling east or west there?

Same here. I use Ferry Rd, Diehl Rd, N.Aurora and Liberty all the time.
For me actually N. Aurora Rd is one of the better ones. Never seem to have any problems at all different times of the day.
I avoid Rt 59 at all costs.
I rarely get caught by a train on Diehl or Liberty.

that's fine - but it cuts zero distane off and I have already stated that NY Street was basically empty. I don't like Liberty as an option because of a grade level train crossing - sorry to be a stickler on that but crossing that over 400 times a year for a 16 year old driver is more than I want.

using Diehl would add distance to my trip back or there ( yes miniscule but don't want it pointed out) - and also a train crossing - even if infrequent as it likely is - I caught one yesterday on my first trip.

that trip for my student is over 3000 miles a year - adding at least 1000 from the trip to WVHS - and that assumes no double trips any day...I'll pass thank you.

[doctorwho]

wvhsparent said:

Doctor,

Glad you were able to drive the route. I do agree you make a good case to go to WVHS if the North site is chosen. But would you agree that parts of the current Watts attendance area, would be closer than you are? or is that Cowlishaw's area?

the majority of Watts is within 1 mile of me - some slightly further and some slightly further -- west of Rickert is Cowlishaw -- the only part of Watts closer is the small attendance ( today) from Lehigh Station - and that should be assigned to a closer ES for those people's sake -

[warriorpride]

d204mom said:

warriorpride said:

post deleted - I've been asked to not stoop to low level of others on this forum

How nice that the mods gave you the option of rethinking your post and deleting it.

Others aren't granted that option due to mod's coping into another posting. Thanks mods!

My post wasn't nearly as nasty as some of yours. Oh, BTW, can we stay on topic?

[Arch]

I thought everyone had the ability to quote a post and even delete their own original.

If someone happened to quote you before you deleted.. Oh well.

[sam2]

I am amazed at all the discussion about travel times -- there will be 2,500 to 3,000 students at the school, wherever it is. Some will have unpleasant drives. This board has a handful of people debating how it will affect them personally. I'm sorry, but the issue is bigger..

I live within a block of Hill and would never take Diehl to get to Eola. N. Aurora is a much better choice. Still, the drive to and from WVHS can be nothing short of awful, depending upon traffic. I've commuted to and from my home and Eola/North Aurora for 19 years. (Traffic gets worse every year, but that is true throughout the city.) My point is that for me, AME would be a better drive, for others it will be worse. BB would be worse than WVHS for me. And, given the new development it is only going to get worse on 59, Fort Hill , 75th and Eola. For me, the commute to St. Francis in Wheaton is quicker than the commute to WVHS.

Again, my point is that some people have long commutes now. The Dr.s post about travel from Hill to AME is nearly equivalent to the commute we make to WVHS. ( But Diehl is a bad choice, N. Aurora is much better and there is no grade crossing.) Still, it's unpleasant and it's long, but it is what it is -- we did it - off and on -- for 10 years.

[doctorwho]

sam2 said:

I am amazed at all the discussion about travel times -- there will be 2,500 to 3,000 students at the school, wherever it is. Some will have unpleasant drives. This board has a handful of people debating how it will affect them personally. I'm sorry, but the issue is bigger..

I live within a block of Hill and would never take Diehl to get to Eola. N. Aurora is a much better choice. Still, the drive to and from WVHS can be nothing short of awful, depending upon traffic. I've commuted to and from my home and Eola/North Aurora for 19 years. (Traffic gets worse every year, but that is true throughout the city.) My point is that for me, AME would be a better drive, for others it will be worse. BB would be worse than WVHS for me. And, given the new development it is only going to get worse on 59, Fort Hill , 75th and Eola. For me, the commute to St. Francis in Wheaton is quicker than the commute to WVHS.

Again, my point is that some people have long commutes now. The Dr.s post about travel from Hill to AME is nearly equivalent to the commute we make to WVHS. ( But Diehl is a bad choice, N. Aurora is much better and there is no grade crossing.) Still, it's unpleasant and it's long, but it is what it is -- we did it - off and on -- for 10 years.

Was WVHS there when you moved in ? DId the SB make a conscious decison to make your commute horrid ?

I don't complain about my drive to Hill ( which is not dissimilar to your drive to WVHS either) because 1/ it is MS and kids don't drive, and 2/ it was my MS when I bought my house 19 years ago also - so I made that decision, just as you made yours.

The SB has the ability to make a decision this time - if they do and it is bad, I am sorry but I see that differently.


also I never said Diehl was a good choice, I simply mentioned I went that way to get there. ( BEFORE I measured the distance back)-it was not included in any calcs - distance or time) And as far as North Aurora over Diehl - sure - but how do I get there ? Ogden ? 59 ? River across the grade level tracks ?


As far as St Francis - just like Benet being far closer for me for me - that is an option we have. They are rpivate schools, not public schools and don't have to worry about location because they draw from many communities.

And if you live within one block of Hill you're weren't going to BB- so why mention it would be worse than WVHS?

[doctorwho]

dan75 said:

sam2 said:

I am amazed at all the discussion about travel times -- there will be 2,500 to 3,000 students at the school, wherever it is. Some will have unpleasant drives. This board has a handful of people debating how it will affect them personally. I'm sorry, but the issue is bigger.

First time poster, but long time reader. I think this post says it all.

Very well said.

The issue is bigger - it is to provide the best location/ service to the community possible - not just for 1/2 a school.

[wvhsparent]

doctor....while I am in complete agreement with your travel dilemma.
But say in 10 years, if a North site is chosen...those who move into your area will also know where the schools are as we do now. So that arguement of "you knew the consequences" work for a short period of time, and will reduce as time goes on. Just like now where your area knew it had to go to Hill when there are closer MS's and my area that knew we had to pass an ES to go to a different one. We got a break when they moved Granger further North, but originally went to the old Granger (WVHS Gold) too.

[dan75]

doctorwho said:

the majority of Watts is within 1 mile of me - some slightly further and some slightly further -- west of Rickert is Cowlishaw -- the only part of Watts closer is the small attendance ( today) from Lehigh Station - and that should be assigned to a closer ES for those people's sake -

Watts and Cowlishaw are very close, probably the closest two elementary schools in the district. I really don't see much difference in their locations.

The majority of the Watts population comes from the surrounding neighborhoods, just like the majority of Cowlishaw's population comes from its surrounding neighborhoods. It's true that both schools draw some students from the town-homes/apartments near the Westfield Mall area or north of that area. But the overwhelming majority of students at both schools come from the neighborhoods around them (approx 0.5-0.7 miles). They are not any different.

Mapping it out, Watts and Cowlishaw are 0.6 miles away from each other. Both schools are equally as far away from the proposed north and far north sites but since they go to the same middle school, they should both go to the same HS IMHO, be it MV or WV.

Here's a map the not-so-great distance between the two elementary schools.

[doctorwho]

wvhsparent said:

doctor....while I am in complete agreement with your travel dilemma.
But say in 10 years, if a North site is chosen...those who move into your area will also know where the schools are as we do now. So that arguement of "you knew the consequences" work for a short period of time, and will reduce as time goes on. Just like now where your area knew it had to go to Hill when there are closer MS's and my area that knew we had to pass an ES to go to a different one. We got a break when they moved Granger further North, but originally went to the old Granger (WVHS Gold) too.

you're assuming someone will want to move into an area where their MS AND HS are at the other ends of the district...

[doctorwho]

dan75 said:

doctorwho said:

the majority of Watts is within 1 mile of me - some slightly further and some slightly further -- west of Rickert is Cowlishaw -- the only part of Watts closer is the small attendance ( today) from Lehigh Station - and that should be assigned to a closer ES for those people's sake -

Watts and Cowlishaw are very close, probably the closest two elementary schools in the district. I really don't see much difference in their locations.

The majority of the Watts population comes from the surrounding neighborhoods, just like the majority of Cowlishaw's population comes from its surrounding neighborhoods. It's true that both schools draw some students from the town-homes/apartments near the Westfield Mall area or north of that area. But the overwhelming majority of students at both schools come from the neighborhoods around them (approx 0.5-0.7 miles). They are not any different.

Mapping it out, Watts and Cowlishaw are 0.6 miles away from each other. Both schools are equally as far away from the proposed north and far north sites but since they go to the same middle school, they should both go to the same HS IMHO, be it MV or WV.

Here's a map the not-so-great distance between the two elementary schools.

the distance from plainfield Naper to rt 59 ( the span of Watts to Cowlishaw is slightly further than that - but I never claimed Cowlishaw should go and we shouldn't - in fact I have almost always included themn ove r the course of time- but I do not speak for Cowlishaw - I speak for Watts --

so since you have decided to do that - what is your point ? I fit is that both Cowlishaw and Watts should not have to travel that far north - I agree.

[dan75]

A little angry are we Dr. Who?

I'm just participating in the conversation here. I read your post and simply made a comment on how close the schools are and how it makes sense to keep them together. The schools are really close (0.6 miles apart according to Google Maps) and I think they should stick together. That's it, that's the entirity of my opinion based on your comment above.

I personally have no dog in the fight between the two; but I agree with the post above, the issue is bigger than invisible street boundaries and travel times. When I read posts about distance, walkers, railroad crossings, etc., it reminds me of the wonderful back-and-forth between posters during the referendum days. Or as I like to think of them, the bad old days.

The district needs a school and not everyone is going to be happy unfortunately.

Nothing personal, I guess I'll get in my TARDIS now and vanish . . . .

[Arch]

dan75 said:

A little angry are we Dr. Who?

I'm just participating in the conversation here. I read your post and simply made a comment on how close the schools are and how it makes sense to keep them together. The schools are really close (0.6 miles apart according to Google Maps) and I think they should stick together. That's it, that's the entirity of my opinion based on your comment above.

I personally have no dog in the fight between the two; but I agree with the post above, the issue is bigger than invisible street boundaries and travel times. When I read posts about distance, walkers, railroad crossings, etc., it reminds me of the wonderful back-and-forth between posters during the referendum days. Or as I like to think of them, the bad old days.

The district needs a school and not everyone is going to be happy unfortunately.

Nothing personal, I guess I'll get in my TARDIS now and vanish . . . .

I'm not sure why or what the reason is to 'keep them together'. Each one has a certain population that attends it and each one should factor individually when it comes down to juggling the attendance of the 3 high schools. So, why the glue-bond?

[gatordog]

eagledad said:

So in this scenario, Steck and McCarty have:

• A grade school in their subdivision
  
• The best MS in the district nearly in their subdivision (right across the steet, which we've been reminded is so pedestrian friendyl. By best, I am referring to WVHS gold, which once converted will clearly have the best facilities - well above other MS).
  
• A HS either right in their subivision or right across the street
  

So I am simply using your "fairness criteria" as a "reasonable tiebreaker" for those that have a local ES, MS, AND HS (Steck and McCarty). You can not ask Watts to drive a half hour at the same time.

I believe it is a "useful criteria". If SB hasnt been formally using it, I do believe I will suggest it to them for their consideration.

I agree that Steck and Mcc are pretty well placed for a middle school assignments.

A nearby MS assigment is I think a slam-dunk for Mccarty....they have two that in my opinion fit the bill (either 7th or Still).

Its a little less certain for Steck, given they may end up staying at Granger, as opposed to 7th.