Illinois PTA Resolution on Electric Fields

[jwh]

archwinsome said:

jwh said:

Thanks for the clarity on EMFs Warriorpride.

What was clarified?

What's the acceptable level and at what point of strength and duration of exposure is the line drawn (by age and gender) of safe and unsafe?

If that can be clarified, that would be great, thanks!

Perhaps clarity wasn't the best word, but more information on EMFs and studies. Kind of like my buddy at work that only buys organic milk for his kids, because he thinks they will grow cancer tumors if they drink the "normal" stuff. But he can't show me any proven growth hormone study or anything.

[Arch]

jwh said:

archwinsome said:

What was clarified?

What's the acceptable level and at what point of strength and duration of exposure is the line drawn (by age and gender) of safe and unsafe?

If that can be clarified, that would be great, thanks!

Perhaps clarity wasn't the best word, but more information on EMFs and studies. Kind of like my buddy at work that only buys organic milk for his kids, because he thinks they will grow cancer tumors if they drink the "normal" stuff. But he can't show me any proven growth hormone study or anything.

Food closest to the way nature makes it without humans intervening is always best. It's worked for thousands of years. There does not have to be a cancerous link to food additives to prove that.

By the reverse, show that the growth hormones provide more healthy benefits than without them.

[sushi]

I am not a fan of power lines because they're unsightly, but as I said before, people are living under them daily in Ashbury and TG - major power lines. I haven't noticed any problems in the neighborhood that could be related; those kids are exposed much more than 8 hours a day.

[warriorpride]

sushi said:

I am not a fan of power lines because they're unsightly, but as I said before, people are living under them daily in Ashbury and TG - major power lines. I haven't noticed any problems in the neighborhood that could be related; those kids are exposed much more than 8 hours a day.

and if people argue that those homes sell for a lower price, that can be traced back to a faulty study in 1979

[Arch]

Interesting.. I think the last 2 posts just tossed out a fundamental tool of DNA and GENOME work... electrophoresis

I'm sure the stock markets will come crashing down tomorrow after learning that electricity plays absolutely no part in cellular division and it's all just junk science.

[warriorpride]

archwinsome said:

Interesting.. I think the last 2 posts just tossed out a fundamental tool of DNA and GENOME work... electrophoresis

I'm sure the stock markets will come crashing down tomorrow after learning that electricity plays absolutely no part in cellular division and it's all just junk science.

I'm only quoting what I've read - I assume you are doing the same?

ETA: I am not saying what is "right" or "wrong", with regards to EMF, mostly because nobody has - I just want to balance the recent posts here with other information that is available on the WWW

[Arch]

warriorpride said:

archwinsome said:

Interesting.. I think the last 2 posts just tossed out a fundamental tool of DNA and GENOME work... electrophoresis

I'm sure the stock markets will come crashing down tomorrow after learning that electricity plays absolutely no part in cellular division and it's all just junk science.

I'm only quoting what I've read - I assume you are doing the same?

ETA: I am not saying what is "right" or "wrong", with regards to EMF, mostly because nobody has - I just want to balance the recent posts here with other information that is available on the WWW

Artificial tiny electric fields are used to move DNA purposely at the cellular level. That's not a guess, that's a fact.

[sushi]

Arch, nothing scientific about my post - purely observation. It doesn't matter how much the homes sell for, what matters is why anyone would live anywhere near them, swim in a pool under them, let their kids play under them, if there was a hazard.

[doctorwho]

sushi said:

Arch, nothing scientific about my post - purely observation. It doesn't matter how much the homes sell for, what matters is why anyone would live anywhere near them, swim in a pool under them, let their kids play under them, if there was a hazard.

There's a lot of things humankind does one cannot explain - just because someone does it , doesn't make it safe. People take illegal drugs , drive cars with bald tires, each diets heavy in saturated fats, smoke cigarettes -- take your pick.....doesn't mean everyone else would then view things the same ways. People have different value systems and mores...

I would not build my house near them.( if you or anyone else CHOOSES to- fine ) ....but at least I had that choice to make - someone sending my kids to go to school under them is a different situation. The decision has been taken from my hands and I find that very wrong.

[sushi]

Nope, doesnt' make them ok or detrimental either. The point is, there are not enough facts.
I do appreciate your concern, one does choose to live under them. I don't.

I would think by now that kids living under them 24/7 for the last 8 years or so (in case of TG) would have started showing something? Again, just observation.

[doctorwho]

sushi said:

Nope, doesnt' make them ok or detrimental either. The point is, there are not enough facts.
I do appreciate your concern, one does choose to live under them. I don't.

I would think by now that kids living under them 24/7 for the last 8 years or so (in case of TG) would have started showing something? Again, just observation.

I agree with the fact that there are not enough facts - to decide one way or the other - that is my point exactly -- for my home purchase and where my children live I make that choice - however with the school that option is taken away from me- that I do not agree with.

As far as showing something - I am not sure what you mean by that - 8 years does not necessarily going to have someone show symptoms of anything - people smoke for years before problems occur also- but the damage is being done from day 1

[Arch]

Play with mercury and breathe in lead dust for 2 years... if you're not dead does that mean there was no harm done?

Take a swig of water from an oil container that was not rinsed out. If you can go to work the next day does that mean it's harmless? Now, go remove the door from your microwave and bypass the safety switch mechanism that is supposed to keep it from operating with it not in place and shut. No harm there, right? You'll live and your neighbor won't notice anything different... but is there no harm done?

[sushi]

Uncle! Point taken. Ashbury, older neighborhood, same power lines.

[warriorpride]

archwinsome said:

Play with mercury and breathe in lead dust for 2 years... if you're not dead does that mean there was no harm done?

Take a swig of water from an oil container that was not rinsed out. If you can go to work the next day does that mean it's harmless? Now, go remove the door from your microwave and bypass the safety switch mechanism that is supposed to keep it from operating with it not in place and shut. No harm there, right? You'll live and your neighbor won't notice anything different... but is there no harm done?

your examples are over the top

[Arch]

sushi said:

Uncle! Point taken. Ashbury, older neighborhood, same power lines.

You said you don't choose to live under them, why not?

I specifically did not buy the yellow house on Falkner (north side of the lines) in Ashubury back in 1998 when it was for sale because of the lines out back. Great house, HUGE open area out back, cheaper than what we bought by Watts, but I didn't want to take any risks with inconclusiveness. The less time you play the craps table, the better off you are in the long run.