Illinois PTA Resolution on Electric Fields

[Arch]

warriorpride said:

archwinsome said:

Limited microwave use, cell phones are turned on as needed and then, used 2x a week tops by 2 out of the 4 kids. I vacuum (Sorry your wife had to read that, ED), hair dryer use averages about once a month for 2 of 4 kids and that's only if we are in a rush (rarely) in the morning. Usually hair is brushed and air dries. TV extremely limited (thank you local channels only) and computers w/ LCDs instead of CRTs.

So, Warriorpride, not nearly the 'science experiment' you would assume going on in this house.

the point was that those, and pretty much every other electronic device give off some amount of EMF, but there is ambient EMF all around us, all the time

Have you checked your basement for Radon?
What's the quality of your water?
What's the quality of your air?
What chemicals are in what you & your kids eat & drink every day?
Is caffine good or bad for us? What about asprin? What about chocolate?

I'd say that we are all walking science experiments

Radon? Yes, multiple times since we moved in and having a 'capped' crawl space and an exhaust fan put in down there works wonders.

Water quality? Whole house filter ring a bell?

Air? 3 huge honeywell HEPA filters in the bedroom, living room and basement as well as filtretes changed on the 2 AC/Heaters every month religiously.

Chemicals drank: Water, Orange Juice, Milk, Coffee, Tea.. Soda is a 1-2x a month thing and then a 12 oz can.

Any other questions?

[sleeplessinnpvl]

jb said:

warriorpride said:

They didn't scrap the site. The EMF perception was listed a negative - the owner not willing to sell was the dealbreaker - BB was a more favorable location, I think most (but not all) agree with that.

Did you know that you're sourrounded by EMFs, pretty much any time you're in or near a building or power lines? We're basically walking, talking lab rats. Do you or your kids use a hair dryer, vacuum cleaner, microwave oven, or cell phone? If so, you've got quite a science experiment going.

Many years ago there was also a negative perception that smoking was bad for you.

Several years ago, there was a negative perception that second-hand smoke was bad for you.

Currently there is a negative perception that we are contributing to global warming

However, it is a fact that EMF's are considered a possible human carcinogen. From the US Government's National Institute of Environmenal Health Sciences - National Institutes of Health www.niehs.nih.gov/health/topics/agents/emf/

It is about limiting your exposure using time, distance, and shielding. I can see where parents are concerned about the time factor. And the distance could be better IMO. I wonder what the effects of the actual building would be on limiting the kids' exposure. Obviously, they will get more exposed in the parking lots and athletic fields, but I wonder if the actual physical building will help allieviate some of that exposure. Again, not an EMF expert. Would be nice to have some more information.

[JB]

warriorpride said:

archwinsome said:

Limited microwave use, cell phones are turned on as needed and then, used 2x a week tops by 2 out of the 4 kids. I vacuum (Sorry your wife had to read that, ED), hair dryer use averages about once a month for 2 of 4 kids and that's only if we are in a rush (rarely) in the morning. Usually hair is brushed and air dries. TV extremely limited (thank you local channels only) and computers w/ LCDs instead of CRTs.

So, Warriorpride, not nearly the 'science experiment' you would assume going on in this house.

the point was that those, and pretty much every other electronic device give off some amount of EMF, but there is ambient EMF all around us, all the time

Have you checked your basement for Radon?
What's the quality of your water?
What's the quality of your air?
What chemicals are in what you & your kids eat & drink every day?
Is caffine good or bad for us? What about asprin? What about chocolate?

I'd say that we are all walking science experiments

Actually, we did check our basement for radon - as part of the purchase agreement - and refused to buy our property until the owners put in a pump to remove it. We thought, "Why take the risk?"

[Arch]

sleeplessinnpvl said:

jb said:

Many years ago there was also a negative perception that smoking was bad for you.

Several years ago, there was a negative perception that second-hand smoke was bad for you.

Currently there is a negative perception that we are contributing to global warming

However, it is a fact that EMF's are considered a possible human carcinogen. From the US Government's National Institute of Environmenal Health Sciences - National Institutes of Health www.niehs.nih.gov/health/topics/agents/emf/

It is about limiting your exposure using time, distance, and shielding. I can see where parents are concerned about the time factor. And the distance could be better IMO. I wonder what the effects of the actual building would be on limiting the kids' exposure. Obviously, they will get more exposed in the parking lots and athletic fields, but I wonder if the actual physical building will help allieviate some of that exposure. Again, not an EMF expert. Would be nice to have some more information.

I think more concerning is the cathodic protection on the natural gas pipelines through the middle of the property where the higher EMF readings were located.. that's much closer than the power lines. I'm w/ Sushi on the lines themselves, they are ugly to look at. My main concern w/ the lines are in a worst case scenerio if one were to break for whatever reason, could the live line itself drop onto the school property where kids would be? If not, great.

[warriorpride]

jb said:

warriorpride said:

They didn't scrap the site. The EMF perception was listed a negative - the owner not willing to sell was the dealbreaker - BB was a more favorable location, I think most (but not all) agree with that.

Did you know that you're sourrounded by EMFs, pretty much any time you're in or near a building or power lines? We're basically walking, talking lab rats. Do you or your kids use a hair dryer, vacuum cleaner, microwave oven, or cell phone? If so, you've got quite a science experiment going.

Many years ago there was also a negative perception that smoking was bad for you.

Several years ago, there was a negative perception that second-hand smoke was bad for you.

Currently there is a negative perception that we are contributing to global warming

However, it is a fact that EMF's are considered a possible human carcinogen. From the US Government's National Institute of Environmenal Health Sciences - National Institutes of Health www.niehs.nih.gov/health/topics/agents/emf/

I undertstand that high amounts of EMF may be bad - from the site report, it sounds like the site is safe

[warriorpride]

archwinsome said:

warriorpride said:

the point was that those, and pretty much every other electronic device give off some amount of EMF, but there is ambient EMF all around us, all the time

Have you checked your basement for Radon?
What's the quality of your water?
What's the quality of your air?
What chemicals are in what you & your kids eat & drink every day?
Is caffine good or bad for us? What about asprin? What about chocolate?

I'd say that we are all walking science experiments

Radon? Yes, multiple times since we moved in and having a 'capped' crawl space and an exhaust fan put in down there works wonders.

Water quality? Whole house filter ring a bell?

Air? 3 huge honeywell HEPA filters in the bedroom, living room and basement as well as filtretes changed on the 2 AC/Heaters every month religiously.

Chemicals drank: Water, Orange Juice, Milk, Coffee, Tea.. Soda is a 1-2x a month thing and then a 12 oz can.

Any other questions?

I ETAed: germs in public places - what do you do about that?

[jwh]

sushi said:

They are an eyesore.

And that is the only PROVEN detriment at this point.

[EagleDad]

warriorpride said:

jb said:

Many years ago there was also a negative perception that smoking was bad for you.

Several years ago, there was a negative perception that second-hand smoke was bad for you.

Currently there is a negative perception that we are contributing to global warming

However, it is a fact that EMF's are considered a possible human carcinogen. From the US Government's National Institute of Environmenal Health Sciences - National Institutes of Health www.niehs.nih.gov/health/topics/agents/emf/

I undertstand that high amounts of EMF may be bad - from the site report, it sounds like the site is safe

What site report? The Jay went walkiing with his buddy email?

Please tell me you are not basing the safety of our districts Childen over the next 30 years on that "information" only.

The fact is we have no data. Where is the phase I and phase II we were promised would be posted a month ago?

[warriorpride]

jb said:

Actually, we did check our basement for radon - as part of the purchase agreement - and refused to buy our property until the owners put in a pump to remove it. We thought, "Why take the risk?"

I know this is starting to veer of topic a little, but: www.google.com/search?q=radon+scare

[JB]

jwh said:

sushi said:

They are an eyesore.

And that is the only PROVEN detriment at this point.

g
What exactly would you need as proof? I think we could have several cases of leukemia and still not statistically PROVE anything.

It's not about proof - you'll almost never get that in complex biological systems when response times are measured in years.

This is about involuntary risk to in an environment that is currently suspect. All those reports state more study is needed, and I don't want my kids, or your kids, to be part of that study. Especially if they don't have to be.

[we4]

Question: Arch posted a link for a map that show where pipelines run around the AME property. It looks like some run through the middle of the property. If those lines really run through the middle of where the school will be, would they need to be moved?

[warriorpride]

eagledad said:

What site report? The Jay went walkiing with his buddy email?

Please tell me you are not basing the safety of our districts Childen over the next 30 years on that "information" only.

The fact is we have no data. Where is the phase I and phase II we were promised would be posted a month ago?

Yes, I want to see it, too - my kid's slated to go there for 4 years

But, I suspect that no matter what the results are, and how safe the site may be reported to be, it's not going to be good enough for some (for whatever reasons)

[warriorpride]

we4 said:

Question: Arch posted a link for a map that show where pipelines run around the AME property. It looks like some run through the middle of the property. If those lines really run through the middle of where the school will be, would they need to be moved?

I've been looking for that - could someone please post the link again? thanks in advance

[jwh]

jb said:

jwh said:

And that is the only PROVEN detriment at this point.

g
What exactly would you need as proof? I think we could have several cases of leukemia and still not statistically PROVE anything.

It's not about proof - you'll almost never get that in complex biological systems when response times are measured in years.

This is about involuntary risk to in an environment that is currently suspect. All those reports state more study is needed, and I don't want my kids, or your kids, to be part of that study. Especially if they don't have to be.

Well, when I drive by the site, I see power lines off in the distance that are an eyesore, nothing more. If there is a LEGITIMATE risk, then let's remediate or abandon the site. Otherwise, it's BS!

Back to my previous post, perhaps we should increase taxes to fund organic milk in the schools, because, you know all the kids will grow tumors from that nasty growth hormone.

[Arch]

we4 said:

Question: Arch posted a link for a map that show where pipelines run around the AME property. It looks like some run through the middle of the property. If those lines really run through the middle of where the school will be, would they need to be moved?

They stay, are active, and give off a current due to the cathodic system on them.

rapidshare.com/files/88396325/MWGEN-pipelines.pdf.html

The building, according to M2 would be just to the west of those lines. Over the lines would be the PE and practice fields, where the 6.2 and 4.2 EMF readings were taken.