Environmental Letter from Shawn Collins

[hillmom]

I love the double standards here - I am assuming that since all of the NSFOC group now knows the dangers of EMF's they are all going to stop using their cell phones. As many of you said you wouldn't smoke 3 packs of cigarettes per day knowing how hazardous so I am sure that the 100MG of EMF that is emitted from your cell phone has people ready to all go for Leukemia scans. How about those 50MG of EMF's every single time your child sends and receives a text message. I'm pretty sure just about every child texts more per day than their head would be hovering 2 ft above the gas line.

I am hoping Mr. Collins plans to ditch his cell phone because after a letter like this using one would certainly be irresponsible and damaging to his case.

Hey by the way I think you can still collect cell phones for a fundraiser - lets see how serious and dedicated to the EMF issue the NSFOC group is.

[concerned2]

My kids are not allowed to text and we do not use our cell phones that much. I think we have over 2,000 roll over min.

Again, though this is our choice to use cell phones and we do not have them to our ears for 8hrs a day for four years.

[hillmom]

concerned2 said:

My kids are not allowed to text and we do not use our cell phones that much. I think we have over 2,000 roll over min.

Again, though this is our choice to use cell phones and we do not have them to our ears for 8hrs a day for four years.

Hopefully the kids aren't also spending 8 hours a day with their heads hovering 2ft (4MG once regraded) over the gas line - once you get to the 4ft level you are at a normal 2.1 average that is in your home unless of course you also don't have electricity. the average home range is 2 - 4. There are 2 areas on the entire site over the 2.1 range - the gas line and the nw corner in the parking lot.

[hillmom]

concerned2 said:

My kids are not allowed to text and we do not use our cell phones that much. I think we have over 2,000 roll over min.

Again, though this is our choice to use cell phones and we do not have them to our ears for 8hrs a day for four years.

Just another thought - clock radios/alarm clocks average 25-50 MG - most kids do spend atleast 6 hours per day with in arms length!!! Super duper double standard here!!! Don't you think more people would have leukemia according to Mr. Collins references if the EMF studies were true.

[Avenging Eagle]

hillmom said:

IHey by the way I think you can still collect cell phones for a fundraiser - lets see how serious and dedicated to the EMF issue the NSFOC group is.

Hillmom,

How about a fundraiser to pay the $25 difference between:

1. MWGEN + damages from BB

or

2. Buying BB + $25 from the fundraiser

Would you switch to BB to avoid the potential risks of the MWGEN site?

[hillmom]

avengingeagle said:

hillmom said:

IHey by the way I think you can still collect cell phones for a fundraiser - lets see how serious and dedicated to the EMF issue the NSFOC group is.

Hillmom,

How about a fundraiser to pay the $25 difference between:

1. MWGEN + damages from BB

or

2. Buying BB + $25 from the fundraiser

Would you switch to BB to avoid the potential risks of the MWGEN site?

I can only assume you don't know about the EMF readings at the Brach Brodie Site. NE corner 15MG. Along 75th entire stretch readings ranging from 4 -10 MG. NW corner 25MG.

Hoping everyone's careful about what they exploit here - what about the years worth of fertilizers and pesticides on that farm? Do you actually think that property is pollutant free. Ever hear of ALS - it is linked to exposure to chemicals in fertilizers. What is fair game for one site is fair game for another. Really in all fairness with the arguments everyone has we probably shouldn't build on any farm!

[macy]

hillmom said:

avengingeagle said:

Hillmom,

How about a fundraiser to pay the $25 difference between:

1. MWGEN + damages from BB

or

2. Buying BB + $25 from the fundraiser

Would you switch to BB to avoid the potential risks of the MWGEN site?

I can only assume you don't know about the EMF readings at the Brach Brodie Site. NE corner 15MG. Along Ogden entire stretch readings ranging from 4 -10 MG. NW corner 25MG.

Hoping everyone's careful about what they exploit here - what about the years worth of fertilizers and pesticides on that farm? Do you actually think that property is pollutant free. Ever hear of ALS - it is linked to exposure to chemicals in fertilizers. What is fair game for one site is fair game for another. Really in all fairness with the arguments everyone has we probably shouldn't build on any farm!

Hillmom,

Where did you get this information from? Can you please place the information on this site.

[hillmom]

macy said:

hillmom said:

I can only assume you don't know about the EMF readings at the Brach Brodie Site. NE corner 15MG. Along Ogden entire stretch readings ranging from 4 -10 MG. NW corner 25MG.

Hoping everyone's careful about what they exploit here - what about the years worth of fertilizers and pesticides on that farm? Do you actually think that property is pollutant free. Ever hear of ALS - it is linked to exposure to chemicals in fertilizers. What is fair game for one site is fair game for another. Really in all fairness with the arguments everyone has we probably shouldn't build on any farm!

Hillmom,

Where did you get this information from? Can you please place the information on this site.

I am not being sarcastic when I say this - with my MG meter! Very extensive background in electrical engineering and instruction. Readings were taken on January 21, 2008.

[hillmom]

hillmom said:

macy said:

Hillmom,

Where did you get this information from? Can you please place the information on this site.

I am not being sarcastic when I say this - with my MG meter! Very extensive background in electrical engineering and instruction. Readings were taken on January 21, 2008.

Just another point - the EMF reading on the Eola site are not from the actual power lines or plant. The NW corner is most likely from underground cabling and the center readings the gas line. The distance is too great from the site boundary to be picking up from the power lines and plant. You are more likely picking up the reading from the earth. The earth itself produces EMF's that is the 2-4 MG range that everyone references.

[macy]

hillmom said:

hillmom said:

I am not being sarcastic when I say this - with my MG meter! Very extensive background in electrical engineering and instruction. Readings were taken on January 21, 2008.

Just another point - the EMF reading on the Eola site are not from the actual power lines or plant. The NW corner is most likely from underground cabling and the center readings the gas line. The distance is too great from the site boundary to be picking up from the power lines and plant. You are more likely picking up the reading from the earth. The earth itself produces EMF's that is the 2-4 MG range that everyone references.

Hillmom,

My husband is a EE major with a graduate degree (he's the smart one in our house) . He finds your post, in his words, "difficult to digest" as he finds no reason to believe the EMF levels at BB would be anywhere near as high as the Eola and Molitor site.

I'm not an EE major with a graduate degree in electrical engineering but yet wonder why you weren't concerned with the safety at BB with your discovery of such high EMF levels.

Why didn't you come forward sooner with this information?

ETA: I would have come forward sooner. The EMF levels you posted are ridiculously high. Didn't that concern you?

I'm a little skeptical. It would be very easy to get a reading on EMF levels at BB from an "expert". I would rest easy knowing the information came from someone experienced in measuring EMF vs. taking information from a "non-expert" with an MG meter.

Your post is not credible in my opinion.

[hillmom]

macy said:

hillmom said:

Just another point - the EMF reading on the Eola site are not from the actual power lines or plant. The NW corner is most likely from underground cabling and the center readings the gas line. The distance is too great from the site boundary to be picking up from the power lines and plant. You are more likely picking up the reading from the earth. The earth itself produces EMF's that is the 2-4 MG range that everyone references.

Hillmom,

My husband is a EE major with a graduate degree. He finds your post, in his words, "difficult to digest" as he finds no reason to believe the EMF levels at BB would be anywhere near as high as the Eola and Molitor site.

I'm not an EE major with a graduate degree but yet wonder why you weren't concerned with the safety at BB with your discovery of such high EMF levels.

Why didn't you come forward sooner with this information?

Because in my opinion the EMF's on both sites are a non-issue. I only bring this up now because it has been 2 months since I have been on this site and some one forwarded the Shawn Collins letter via email. It would seem that the NSFOC group should have done their homework before they started saying how dangerous the highest reading of 7.5MG was which will be reduced to a high of 4MG or less when the property is regraded and 2 feet of dirt laid down.

EMF's as I'm sure your husband know don't just come from overhead lines. Look at all the other power sources along and around Brach Brodie. There is also a underground system of cabling etc.

This lawsuit opens a can of worms that virtually makes no site safe. Don't even get me started about the Macom site that everyone favored.

It is funny how people have researched only what applies to their desires and in this case lawsuit! I suppose the words best used would be becareful what you wish for!

[hillmom]

hillmom said:

macy said:

Hillmom,

My husband is a EE major with a graduate degree. He finds your post, in his words, "difficult to digest" as he finds no reason to believe the EMF levels at BB would be anywhere near as high as the Eola and Molitor site.

I'm not an EE major with a graduate degree but yet wonder why you weren't concerned with the safety at BB with your discovery of such high EMF levels.

Why didn't you come forward sooner with this information?

Because in my opinion the EMF's on both sites are a non-issue. I only bring this up now because it has been 2 months since I have been on this site and some one forwarded the Shawn Collins letter via email. It would seem that the NSFOC group should have done their homework before they started saying how dangerous the highest reading of 7.5MG was which will be reduced to a high of 4MG or less when the property is regraded and 2 feet of dirt laid down.

EMF's as I'm sure your husband know don't just come from overhead lines. Look at all the other power sources along and around Brach Brodie. There is also a underground system of cabling etc.

This lawsuit opens a can of worms that virtual makes no site safe. Don't even get me started about the Macom site that everyone favored.

It is funny how people have researched only what applies to their desires and in this case lawsuit! I suppose the words best used would be becareful what you wish for!

I suppose teaching at a college accredited electrical school doesn't count as an expert. I would argue my students and school would beg to differ.

[macy]

hillmom said:

macy said:

Hillmom,

My husband is a EE major with a graduate degree. He finds your post, in his words, "difficult to digest" as he finds no reason to believe the EMF levels at BB would be anywhere near as high as the Eola and Molitor site.

I'm not an EE major with a graduate degree but yet wonder why you weren't concerned with the safety at BB with your discovery of such high EMF levels.

Why didn't you come forward sooner with this information?

Because in my opinion the EMF's on both sites are a non-issue. I only bring this up now because it has been 2 months since I have been on this site and some one forwarded the Shawn Collins letter via email. It would seem that the NSFOC group should have done their homework before they started saying how dangerous the highest reading of 7.5MG was which will be reduced to a high of 4MG or less when the property is regraded and 2 feet of dirt laid down.

EMF's as I'm sure your husband know don't just come from overhead lines. Look at all the other power sources along and around Brach Brodie. There is also a underground system of cabling etc.

This lawsuit opens a can of worms that virtual makes no site safe. Don't even get me started about the Macom site that everyone favored.

It is funny how people have researched only what applies to their desires and in this case lawsuit! I suppose the words best used would be becareful what you wish for!

I'm sorry, I simply don't believe you.

Are you suggesting the SB/District put our kids in danger at the BB site? Are you saying there is NO SAFE parcel in 204 for a third high school?

I disagree until I see more complete information than your measurements with your MG reader.

[macy]

hillmom said:

hillmom said:

Because in my opinion the EMF's on both sites are a non-issue. I only bring this up now because it has been 2 months since I have been on this site and some one forwarded the Shawn Collins letter via email. It would seem that the NSFOC group should have done their homework before they started saying how dangerous the highest reading of 7.5MG was which will be reduced to a high of 4MG or less when the property is regraded and 2 feet of dirt laid down.

EMF's as I'm sure your husband know don't just come from overhead lines. Look at all the other power sources along and around Brach Brodie. There is also a underground system of cabling etc.

This lawsuit opens a can of worms that virtual makes no site safe. Don't even get me started about the Macom site that everyone favored.

It is funny how people have researched only what applies to their desires and in this case lawsuit! I suppose the words best used would be becareful what you wish for!

I suppose teaching at a college accredited electrical school doesn't count as an expert. I would argue my students and school would beg to differ.

I wonder why you are now coming forward if you are so concerned with the EMF level at BB.

And, did you send your concerns into the SB?

[hillmom]

macy said:

hillmom said:

Because in my opinion the EMF's on both sites are a non-issue. I only bring this up now because it has been 2 months since I have been on this site and some one forwarded the Shawn Collins letter via email. It would seem that the NSFOC group should have done their homework before they started saying how dangerous the highest reading of 7.5MG was which will be reduced to a high of 4MG or less when the property is regraded and 2 feet of dirt laid down.

EMF's as I'm sure your husband know don't just come from overhead lines. Look at all the other power sources along and around Brach Brodie. There is also a underground system of cabling etc.

This lawsuit opens a can of worms that virtual makes no site safe. Don't even get me started about the Macom site that everyone favored.

It is funny how people have researched only what applies to their desires and in this case lawsuit! I suppose the words best used would be becareful what you wish for!

I'm sorry, I simply don't believe you.

Are you suggesting the SB/District put our kids in danger at the BB site? Are you saying there is NO SAFE parcel in 204 for a third high school?

I disagree until I see more complete information than your measurements with your MG reader.

Again that would only apply if one considered these levels unsafe. The exposure would be minimal as would exposure on the Eola site. There are safe parcels all with levels of EMF's that will have areas over 2MG.

I actually think at this point the NSFOC group should consider the rest of the citizens in the district may demand that they pay for the tests at the Brach Brodie site. After all I do think it would become their responsibility to prove the safety of the site before they forced us to purchase it. That at this point would include Phase II etc.
As you clearly pointed out why would we trust a trained professional that is willing to give you these readings for free.