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Post by Arch on Mar 15, 2008 22:39:58 GMT -6
I am not a part of any group. I do however believe that you should not be discussing EMFs at BB until you can verify the school property layout and where on that map you took the readings. According to NSFOC that wouldn't matter because they are concerned about a reading along Eola road and a reading that will be 4mg up to their childrens knees standing over a gas line. this is within the same average reading in a home, in every school in the district. Go back to the cell phones (100 mg)and alarm clocks(25-50 mg) and then come talk to me again about that level 4mg at a childs knees for split seconds. Honestly I think it is all fair game - its on the property after all if it is fair for one group to find an isolated reading in the corner of a parking lot why isn't perimeter readings on BB fair game. Are you saying sometimes it might be considered safe -BINGO!!! All of the data should be considered and disclosed regardless of the site. Line item by line item of all things considered a hazard and spell them out for each site. Then, start scoring them. This is such a simple thing to actually do. I've listed the hazards as I see them for the Eola site. Please list the ones that you consider hazards for the BB site. We'll argue about the scoring after they are listed and out on the table. I'm sure how to score them will be a nice thread all to its own. In the meantime, please just put the list out on the table so we can move beyond this point. |
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Post by hillmom on Mar 15, 2008 22:42:29 GMT -6
Hillmom, Post your map/data anyway. I'm curious what your readings are. As suggested, if you could take the time to go stand in a location at the Eola site that Environ used and take a reading that would be helpful too so the meters used have a same-spot reading to compare any deviation between them if that exists. Thank you in advance if you embark on this. Arch - I'm not a surveyor. I would have to be one to stand in the exact same spots. Tell you what I'll let you use the gauss meter! Comed is patroling the site regularly because of the pictures on the NSFOC site. I pulled in there Friday and got stopped by ComEd - no thanks not getting in trouble even for the sake of arguing with you! |
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Post by rural on Mar 15, 2008 22:42:34 GMT -6
What part of "BB won't let you test their land" do you not understand?
ETA: you can't have a parallel comparison without the soil samples and similar EMF tests.
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Post by Arch on Mar 15, 2008 22:43:18 GMT -6
I am not being sarcastic when I say this - with my MG meter! Very extensive background in electrical engineering and instruction. Readings were taken on January 21, 2008. Interesting date - January 21. So you were doing a survey for the new mall? Good question. Eola was approved on January 22, was it not? |
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Post by Arch on Mar 15, 2008 22:44:47 GMT -6
Hillmom, Post your map/data anyway. I'm curious what your readings are. As suggested, if you could take the time to go stand in a location at the Eola site that Environ used and take a reading that would be helpful too so the meters used have a same-spot reading to compare any deviation between them if that exists. Thank you in advance if you embark on this. Arch - I'm not a surveyor. I would have to be one to stand in the exact same spots. Tell you what I'll let you use the gauss meter! Comed is patroling the site regularly because of the pictures on the NSFOC site. I pulled in there Friday and got stopped by ComEd - no thanks not getting in trouble even for the sake of arguing with you! Simply ask them to stand in a specific spot and read the number. Simple enough to solve. They would be allowed to, right? |
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Post by d204mom on Mar 15, 2008 22:45:33 GMT -6
Only problem is we walked away from BB. Everyone is pretending that BB is dead. BB is not dead. They are going to ask the judge to FORCE the district to buy the property at the jury award price. Offer is still on the table. Still alive. BB is still waiting for their check. We ARE going to hand them a pile of money. Only question that remains is how much? |
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Post by hillmom on Mar 15, 2008 22:45:41 GMT -6
I am not being sarcastic when I say this - with my MG meter! Very extensive background in electrical engineering and instruction. Readings were taken on January 21, 2008. Interesting date - January 21. So you were doing a survey for the new mall? No just wanted to form my own opinion when the whole EMF thing first came up when the board was voting on the site. took readings at area schools too but that would be counter productive to start going there. Those were just for my piece of mind. |
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Post by d204mom on Mar 15, 2008 22:50:11 GMT -6
Interesting date - January 21. So you were doing a survey for the new mall? Good question. Eola was approved on January 22, was it not? yup |
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Post by d204mom on Mar 15, 2008 22:51:38 GMT -6
Interesting date - January 21. So you were doing a survey for the new mall? No just wanted to form my own opinion when the whole EMF thing first came up when the board was voting on the site. took readings at area schools too but that would be counter productive to start going there. Those were just for my piece of mind. Board voted on the site the day after you took measurements. Not before. |
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Post by hillmom on Mar 15, 2008 22:52:03 GMT -6
Arch - I'm not a surveyor. I would have to be one to stand in the exact same spots. Tell you what I'll let you use the gauss meter! Comed is patroling the site regularly because of the pictures on the NSFOC site. I pulled in there Friday and got stopped by ComEd - no thanks not getting in trouble even for the sake of arguing with you! Simply ask them to stand in a specific spot and read the number. Simple enough to solve. They would be allowed to, right? Be my guest - I'm not concerned about any of the above the numbers, I've done my research and have drawn my conclusions that the emf levels are no more severe than at any of our school sites. I'm okay with them. NSFOC is the one questioning - their argument damages the credibility of all the other sites. They have opened pandora's box - wonder if they realized that. So to put it bluntly I'm not wasting any more of my time walking around in corn fields. I'm fine with all the numbers on EMF's - the people that should be walking around are the ones now wondering oh my god are there really emfs every where. Think about it when you turn the lights off tonight - 4mg when you flip the switch! |
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Post by rural on Mar 15, 2008 22:52:23 GMT -6
Everyone is pretending that BB is dead. BB is not dead. They are going to ask the judge to FORCE the district to buy the property at the jury award price. Offer is still on the table. Still alive. BB is still waiting for their check. We ARE going to hand them a pile of money. Only question that remains is how much? Oh, but the land deal is dead. They legally withdrew their ability to take the land when they finally filed the papers declining the jury demand. That part is over. Only thing left is to empty our pockets on the damages part. IIRC, by walking away, they get that regardless of whether we change our minds and decide we still want it. |
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Post by Arch on Mar 15, 2008 22:53:47 GMT -6
Interesting date - January 21. So you were doing a survey for the new mall? No just wanted to form my own opinion when the whole EMF thing first came up when the board was voting on the site. took readings at area schools too but that would be counter productive to start going there. Those were just for my piece of mind. Your readings for BB were where again exactly? You had said: "I can only assume you don't know about the EMF readings at the Brach Brodie Site. NE corner 15MG. Along Ogden entire stretch readings ranging from 4 -10 MG. NW corner 25MG. " Were these on the property where the school would be if it was built there or out on the public right of way where the school will not be built? You later said "It's called public easement - pedestrians can walk along 59 & ogden!!!" From that I can only gather you measured EMF where no part of the school or school facilities will be. Is that a fair statement or did you go onto the grounds to get actual readings of the BB land where school property will be including fields, school building etc. ? I'm just trying to find out if we even have an apples to apples comparison on anything with EMF between the two locations or not. |
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Post by yeson321 on Mar 15, 2008 22:54:06 GMT -6
So, Hillmom, those quaint little electric lines on the wooden poles that run along the street in front of my house emit more EMF radiation than the big ominous ones? How I'm not growing and antenna yet is a mystery to me!  YEP!!! Aren't you scared! Oh by the way I know it wasn't you but someone mentioned the whole air conditioning thing - that would have applied to the Eola site if the Peaker plant was operational or would still be there - all of it including the tank is being removed. The eola site readings for EMF aren't from the power lines - they are too far! Natural gas line has nothing to do with air conditioning. BB does have the wooden lines though along the side that are effected by the airconditioning usage again lower voltage - much higher currency moving thru to produce the neccessary energy. Good point whoever that was BB could be more dangerous during hot times. They should probably find all that info out about site plan layout etc before they proceed with the lawsuit. I thought that Eola has the same wooden power lines along the West portion of the school (which according to the map looks very close to Eola Rd). However, the EMF map readings only show a reading of 4.48 taken at the NW corner and that they did not continue down Eola Rd. That seems to be the same thing that you are talking about on BB, but we have yet to see how close/far you were to the actual school site when you took the readings. Why they did not talk about the wooden power lines along Eola is a question that has been on my mind - it has become more concerning in light of the information that you just provided. Rural, please save me a drive and confirm whether or not there are the wooden powerlines on Eola. I thought that when I talked with Mr. Crawford from ENVIRON he mentioned them. |
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Post by d204mom on Mar 15, 2008 22:54:47 GMT -6
Oh, but the land deal is dead. They legally withdrew their ability to take the land when they finally filed the papers declining the jury demand. That part is over. Only thing left is to empty our pockets on the damages part. IIRC, by walking away, they get that regardless of whether we change our minds and decide we still want it. Threat of big payout against Dist. 204
Spurned landowners could seek $13 million from District 204
By Justin Kmitch | Daily Herald StaffContact writerHelm said his clients first will ask the judge to force the district to use funds secured in its $125 million 2006 referendum to buy the property. If the district is unable to do so, it will be asked to reimburse the trust for about $3 million in legal fees and roughly $9.5 million in damages caused by the decreasing value of the property. |
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Post by macy on Mar 15, 2008 22:55:18 GMT -6
Good question. Eola was approved on January 22, was it not? yup Double yup! Suddenly on January 21st Hillmom became concerned about EMF levels at the BB site? So concerned, she ran out and tested them. Wow, I am having a hard time not injecting sarcasm. I'm trying though! January 21? Hillmom, what motivated you to go read EMF at BB on that date? Seems a little fishy to me. Sorry Hillmom. Take your ghostbuster machine to Eola and Molitor tomorrow and report back. |
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