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Post by Risperdal 4mg on Apr 5, 2008 19:59:53 GMT -6
pipeline schmipeline; check out this rockin' avatar
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Post by doctorwho on Apr 5, 2008 20:10:48 GMT -6
DOC..... just looking at the property with an untrained eye would cause one to ask questions. but I know nothing about environmental issues, risks and remediation. That's why I am holding judgment until the experts do their thing...... the pipelines...it never dawned on me that one could explode. I have never heard of one doing so until arch's link on potluck........ the crazy thing about this fiasco is that there are 10 or more angles of attack for people against the new HS at MV......and plenty of questionable motives out there  I do not argue that there are plenty of motives - on both sides ( although only one side takes heat for any ) - and as far as the experts - if due diligence is not done, and we get what will in my view be a good start, but still incomplete report- and we start building...it just seems illogical. Make the seller turn the property over to the IEPA before we buy it...why are we accepting this risk ? The main question on the 10 or more angles-- is the property lends itself to those angles, it should not be a school site in my opinon. Let's even assume 1/2 the motives ( for and against are flawed_ what about the rest What about failing 5 critical benchmarks in the Illinois Smart Bulding Guide ? Not 1 issue or 2 - but 5 major ones - it's almost a clean sweep.. The question is why the headlong rush to open a shell of a school. With a 2010 opening they can do all the due diliogence needed, as well as give time to really look at the financials on this. Would you agree that MS overcrowding is where we have some of the worst crowding right now ? What if the MS projections from the SD showed a decrease in 2009 from 2008, and another decrease in 2010? Not being higher than 2008 numbers until 2012 - would you also wonder why the 2009 rush then too ? Yes, we still need the school, but the rush putting speed ahead of all due diligence when opening a school gets more confusing by the day. |
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Post by steckdad on Apr 6, 2008 10:34:59 GMT -6
the children of 204 deserve better than this and I am amazed that there are parents that are fighting for this polluted land...
mom.....I think the people fighting for the land are anti-NSFOC more than pro eola site....just my opinion.....
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Post by Arch on Apr 6, 2008 10:38:37 GMT -6
the children of 204 deserve better than this and I am amazed that there are parents that are fighting for this polluted land...mom.....I think the people fighting for the land are anti-NSFOC more than pro eola site....just my opinion..... If the land was Hamman, would the Anti-NSFOC have the exact same people ? |
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Post by doctorwho on Apr 6, 2008 10:58:38 GMT -6
the children of 204 deserve better than this and I am amazed that there are parents that are fighting for this polluted land...mom.....I think the people fighting for the land are anti-NSFOC more than pro eola site....just my opinion..... The timeline however would put supporters of this land far before nsfoc... even thry claim nsfoc didn't start until after site selection and boundaries |
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Post by yeson321 on Apr 6, 2008 11:49:43 GMT -6
the children of 204 deserve better than this and I am amazed that there are parents that are fighting for this polluted land...mom.....I think the people fighting for the land are anti-NSFOC more than pro eola site....just my opinion..... The timeline however would put supporters of this land far before nsfoc... even thry claim nsfoc didn't start until after site selection and boundaries Since I am not a member of any group I can only hypothesize. My guess is that people who joined NSFOC still thought that the school board was listening to ALL areas and presenting an UNBIASED site comparison report at the January 22nd site selection meeting. It has only recently come to light that in fact the due diligence that they did on each site was medicore at best EXCEPT for AME/MWGEN where they seemed to have spent all of their time building a case for their predetermined site. That IMHO is quite backwards. In doing a $150,000,000 project, each and every site should have been negotiated to the nth degree and then presented to the board/public in order to make the absolute BEST decision. It is quite unfortunate that grudges got in the way of building at the best possible site. Brach-Brodie is clearly the best long-term site. To sum it up, I think that NSFOC was probably formed in response to findings that the school board was not adequately researching our options and it was discovered late in the game. If it had been discovered back in October when it could have been if people were not still 100% supporting the school board, the group would most likely have been formed then. Just a thought. |
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Post by mandmmom on Apr 6, 2008 12:52:51 GMT -6
the children of 204 deserve better than this and I am amazed that there are parents that are fighting for this polluted land...mom.....I think the people fighting for the land are anti-NSFOC more than pro eola site....just my opinion..... Dad, You are probably right...but the problem is that fighting for this land could potentially harm their children...so why do this? Why not demand more from our SB? The sad thing is our SB probably enjoys the fighting between the neighborhoods, because it deflects the attention away from the poor job they are doing for 204...I wish people would turn their frustration towards the SB instead of certain neighborhoods...because the SB members are the ones making these decisions that could hurt all of 204, not the individual neighborhoods. |
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Post by Arch on Apr 6, 2008 18:52:52 GMT -6
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Post by steckdad on Apr 6, 2008 23:56:05 GMT -6
"If the land was Hamman, would the Anti-NSFOC have the exact same people ?"
arch...I don't think there would be an NSFOC if the school was at Hamman.......
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Post by Arch on Apr 7, 2008 0:27:04 GMT -6
"If the land was Hamman, would the Anti-NSFOC have the exact same people ?"
arch...I don't think there would be an NSFOC if the school was at Hamman....... True... Let me rephrase: If the site was at Hamman, would the people who are currently in the Anti-NF group be trumpeting to "just build it in the spot they picked" as they are today with the northern site? |
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Post by doctorwho on Apr 7, 2008 7:37:46 GMT -6
"If the land was Hamman, would the Anti-NSFOC have the exact same people ?"
arch...I don't think there would be an NSFOC if the school was at Hamman....... True... Let me rephrase: If the site was at Hamman, would the people who are currently in the Anti-NF group be trumpeting to "just build it in the spot they picked" as they are today with the northern site? That answer would be a loud NO -- as many of them did not support BB either. |
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Post by sushi on Apr 7, 2008 8:06:25 GMT -6
pipeline schmipeline; check out this rockin' avatar Thanks for the album cover. I have now had "Love will keep us together" stuck in my head for 18 hours. ;D |
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Post by doctorwho on Apr 7, 2008 8:20:54 GMT -6
pipeline schmipeline; check out this rockin' avatar Thanks for the album cover. I have now had "Love will keep us together" stuck in my head for 18 hours. ;D This will get ' that' song out of your head www.youtube.com/watch?v=W83dDWlPYXU&feature=related of course now this one will stick- LOL ! |
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Post by momof156graders on Apr 7, 2008 8:34:22 GMT -6
the children of 204 deserve better than this and I am amazed that there are parents that are fighting for this polluted land...mom.....I think the people fighting for the land are anti-NSFOC more than pro eola site....just my opinion..... Dad, You are probably right...but the problem is that fighting for this land could potentially harm their children...so why do this? Why not demand more from our SB? The sad thing is our SB probably enjoys the fighting between the neighborhoods, because it deflects the attention away from the poor job they are doing for 204...I wish people would turn their frustration toward the SB instead of certain neighborhoods...because the SB members are the ones making these decisions that could hurt all of 204, not the individual neighborhoods. ABSOLUTELY! The SB is totally playing to the distractions. Just like they used the boundaries as a site selection distraction. We need to focus on what the school board is doing, not casting stones at neighborhoods! |
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Post by eb204 on Apr 7, 2008 8:36:40 GMT -6
"If the land was Hamman, would the Anti-NSFOC have the exact same people ?"
arch...I don't think there would be an NSFOC if the school was at Hamman....... True... Let me rephrase: If the site was at Hamman, would the people who are currently in the Anti-NF group be trumpeting to "just build it in the spot they picked" as they are today with the northern site? I speak only for myself here, but as long as the site is deemed safe, I wouldn't have an issue with it, just as I won't for the Eola site when/if it is deemed safe. Building on the Macom site would probably mean my children would go to WVHS, though, but I'm perfectly fine with that. All schools in this district are, and will be, fine schools if we let the district officials get back to doing their job of educating our children. |
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