Disappointment

[slp]

To eliminate the pain for Fry and WE kids, can a proposal allow for WE and Fry to attend Scullen together? Under the current proposal, Welch and Fry would attend Scullen and split high schools. Why not minimize the pain for this area and at least make Scullen a 100% WVHS feeder? Does anyone have a logical placement for Welch to accomplish this scenario?

[jwh]

hmmm said:

archwinsome said:

Who on our side has the pull or authority to make it 'personal' assuming what you said is correct?

I have been pondering what recourse we all have for the last 2 days. Could we involve the State of Illinois? Attorneys? Class action lawsuits?

It seems to me that an investigation into the practices of this district are long overdue.

Go ahead and waste your own money on legal fees. Any judge will throw it out before the district has to spend any, hopefully.

[macy]

slp said:

To eliminate the pain for Fry and WE kids, can a proposal allow for WE and Fry to attend Scullen together? Under the current proposal, Welch and Fry would attend Scullen and split high schools. Why not minimize the pain for this area and at least make Scullen a 100% WVHS feeder? Does anyone have a logical placement for Welch to accomplish this scenario?

I'm in complete and total support of this idea. Also, the small portion of Ashwood going to Still should go to Scullen.

[bob]

Yes, send Welch to Still.

WE to Scullen, The difference between Welch and WE popualtion would allow Ashwood North to attend Scullen.

There is only a problem of when the undeveloped land of Macom comes on line.

I really like this suggestion.

[macy]

bob said:

Yes, send Welch to Still.

WE to Scullen, The difference between Welch and WE popualtion would allow Ashbury North to attend Scullen.

There is only a problem of when the undeveloped land of Macom comes on line.

Agree here!!!!

[slp]

bob said:

Yes, send Welch to Still.

WE to Scullen, The difference between Welch and WE popualtion would allow Ashbury North to attend Scullen.

There is only a problem of when the undeveloped land of Macom comes on line.

If Welch attends Still, then there would be a 3 way split to high school... Gombert to WV, Owen to MV, and Welch to NV. Not a good result either UNLESS...as has been suggested for other reasons, they swapped Owen to WV. Then, you would have a split to WV and NV. Welch will experience a split at Scullen anyway, so why would it matter to them if their split was at Still instead.

Do the numbers work here?

[bob]

If we tie in Owen to WV


McCarty and Steck busers to MV
Owen to WV

Welch to Still
WE to Scullen
Ashwood North to Scullen

Undeveloped Macom property to ? middle school

[EagleDad]

wvhsparent said:

eagledad said:

The Sb should not be doing above's bidding, and I am not calling for that. I am only looking for them to make fair and equitable decisions based on real and un-slanted data.

And I am sorry, but I see a calculated 29 minute average commute for Steck at the same time as 30 minutes for Watts/Cowlishaw and 35 for Owen as VERY slanted. Do you think these are an accurate representation if the real travel times under these boundaries?

ED I agree with you they massaged the data to their advantage to sell their assignment of Owen to MV.
They have done this since day one, on other things (even to sell BB to us) Everyone does this at some point in their lives. You sell the positives and minimize the negatives.
I suggest to you to contact KB or whoever is in charge of the Bus routes and ask for the actual times not the averages.
When you get them, post them and we can all find a way to add that to the overall presentation.

Yes, my doing, all of this legwork is a wonderful idea.

Alternatively, the administrators that at getting paid 6 figure salaries to do this reasearch could do it, and stop showing only the data they like to reinforce their pre-determined end. Likewise the board that was elected to provide oversight could do so and ask the difficult decisions they should.
My experience lately has been that when I brought these difficult questions, like the 8 million dollars in bond premiums, I am dismissed and not given the full story.

[bob]

Wait, I forgot about the Gombert and Colishaw split.

Still would have

Owen to WV
Welch to NV
Colishaw and Gombert to MV

Colishaw and Gombert would be split twice.

[wvhsparent]

eagledad said:

wvhsparent said:

ED I agree with you they massaged the data to their advantage to sell their assignment of Owen to MV.
They have done this since day one, on other things (even to sell BB to us) Everyone does this at some point in their lives. You sell the positives and minimize the negatives.
I suggest to you to contact KB or whoever is in charge of the Bus routes and ask for the actual times not the averages.
When you get them, post them and we can all find a way to add that to the overall presentation.

Yes, my doing, all of this legwork is a wonderful idea.

Alternatively, the administrators that at getting paid 6 figure salaries to do this reasearch could do it, and stop showing only the data they like to reinforce their pre-determined end. Likewise the board that was elected to provide oversight could do so and ask the difficult decisions they should.
My experience lately has been that when I brought these difficult questions, like the 8 million dollars in bond premiums, I am dismissed and not given the full story.

The legwork YOU need to do is due to your calling out their research. They did what they were told to do, and presented it in the way they wanted to. You don't like it, therefore in order to refute it, need more than just calling them on it.
Also as you say....bring it up to the SB members, but given your track record with them as of late, you have to be ready to go when your response from them is not what you want.

[WeBe204]

bob said:

Yes, send Welch to Still.

WE to Scullen, The difference between Welch and WE popualtion would allow Ashwood North to attend Scullen.

There is only a problem of when the undeveloped land of Macom comes on line.

I really like this suggestion.

To be honest I thought this was going to be the result. I figured I would wake up to Ashwood at Scullen and Scullen a 100% WVHS feeder. Instead, I woke up to a three way ES split and a two MS way split.

Just to give some perspective on the Ashwood North (Forget the Park name I guess) What I have been told by my neighborhood, is we have 2 children in MS and and 10 in elementry.

Someday there might be growth on the open fields. But you know 204 is still growing and boundaries will change. I do not see why we were sliced out with 12 darn children in the system. Sure when we hit some sort of critical mass that makes sense do it.

[EagleDad]

gatordog said:

I got to start by saying WarriorEagledad, I see a lot of this way differently

Before going there....do you know what the current Steck/WV Average Bus Route Times are? 27 minutes. Is it plausible and believable for proposed Steck to WV that it would be 29 minutes. Uhhhh....absolutely.

I think you and I are reading the handout way differently. By definition the bus route is the beginning and end time. To me, the average means to and from. Look at two (only two I believe) current Steck area bus routes, Route 18/218 and 29/229. These routes averge to 27 minutes.

I see no inconsistancy at all in what KB stated or signed on to. None.

Are you referring to bus Routes WVH218 and WVH229 on this page?:
www.ipsd.org/Documents/BusRoutes/0708/WaubonsieBusRoutes0708.pdf

If so, for WVH218, the first stop is 2:38, the last Steck stop is 2:57 - there are 2 after that that are Georgetown (unless I am mistaken). That's 19 minutes to the FURTHEST stop - the AVERAGE ride on that route is 19/2 = 9.5 minutes.

WVH229 seems to be all Young students- what stops are Steck? Did I miss something?

So there's one 9.5 minute average bus route. 2/3 of steck are walkers. 9.5/3 = 3 minutes

Please explain the 29 minutes to me again, because indeed we are seeing things very differently.

Steckmom or others from the Steck area - are there routes I am missing from the Steck area? Please give me the route numbers. Please help me understand.

[steckmom]

eagledad said:

gatordog said:

I got to start by saying WarriorEagledad, I see a lot of this way differently

Before going there....do you know what the current Steck/WV Average Bus Route Times are? 27 minutes. Is it plausible and believable for proposed Steck to WV that it would be 29 minutes. Uhhhh....absolutely.

I think you and I are reading the handout way differently. By definition the bus route is the beginning and end time. To me, the average means to and from. Look at two (only two I believe) current Steck area bus routes, Route 18/218 and 29/229. These routes averge to 27 minutes.

I see no inconsistancy at all in what KB stated or signed on to. None.

Are you referring to bus Routes WVH218 and WVH229 on this page?:
www.ipsd.org/Documents/BusRoutes/0708/WaubonsieBusRoutes0708.pdf

If so, for WVH218, the first stop is 2:38, the last Steck stop is 2:57 - there are 2 after that that are Georgetown (unless I am mistaken). That's 19 minutes to the FURTHEST stop - the AVERAGE ride on that route is 19/2 = 9.5 minutes.

WVH229 seems to be all Young students- what stops are Steck? Did I miss something?

So there's one 9.5 minute average bus route. 2/3 of steck are walkers. 9.5/3 = 3 minutes

Please explain the 29 minutes to me again, because indeed we are seeing things very differently.

Steckmom or others from the Steck area - are there routes I am missing from the Steck area? Please give me the route numbers. Please help me understand.

I think the Steck bus routes from WV are: 218 (yes it does leave Steck area), 221 (a few stops), 224, 231. I don't have kids at WV so this was just from a quick peek at the schedule. I don't have time to calculate times because I have to get some work done.

229 is Young.

[oldmanpotter]

slp said:

To eliminate the pain for Fry and WE kids, can a proposal allow for WE and Fry to attend Scullen together? Under the current proposal, Welch and Fry would attend Scullen and split high schools. Why not minimize the pain for this area and at least make Scullen a 100% WVHS feeder? Does anyone have a logical placement for Welch to accomplish this scenario?

As I stated on another thread with GT and MC leaving Still for the new middle school at Waubonsie Gold only Gombert and Owen will be left. One other school has to replace the other two. Because of the location and the fact that WE attended Still only a few years ago the choice is obvious. TG has a MS in its own subdivision. Just for my own curiousity Slp who would you suggest be the third school at Still? Unlike most of the bountry proposal the WE to Still makes the most sense.

[oldmanpotter]

I can tell you the Welch people will fight that proposal. WE is still closer to Still nd is going to WV. Welch is still at MV. Case closed.