Disappointment - Cont'd

[sleeplessinnpvl]

I agree with WVHSparent. Everyone needs to figure out what is the biggest priority and come to support them. I know if I was the school board, they have to realize this proposal is not the best. And if people that were not affected by the boundary change came out and supported Watts/Owen/Gombert/Petersen etc. than that would really make me stop and think. If we do this logically and rationally, then maybe the board will table things on Tuesday to examine. If there are altruistic people out there trying to help others, then hey, I have faith in this district. But if people just whine about their situation, they are just going to be labeled as whiners by everyone there. Find a solution. Fry, what IS your solution to becoming walkers? I see the middle school split thing doesn't seem to phase you anymore??? Then find out a REASONABLE ES that you can pull away to make you a walker. Oh, golly, there isn't one. But maybe your middle school split could be managed. Pick a battle that you can win and find a solution that the board will listen to and others will stand behind you on. I'm thinking the folks in WE would support you in the MS split but not be so supportive of you bailing on them to walk to NV. And someone find a solution for poor Petersen and the Watts/Owen mess, as I just can't.

[Arch]

wvhsparent said:

archwinsome said:

What was the reason for disliking BB? Was it something on/next to the site itself or the location being so far from the north?

Go thru the archives....the answer you seek is there.

What I managed to find was price (we're way above that now), not in the north (back then, this did not help one's commute but left it same), and AME was not a willing seller at the time either.

What did I miss, if anything?

[sleeplessinnpvl]

archwinsome said:

wvhsparent said:

Go thru the archives....the answer you seek is there.

What I managed to find was price (we're way above that now), not in the north (back then, this did not help one's commute but left it same), and AME was not a willing seller at the time either.

What did I miss, if anything?

I also think people didn't like it being off of Rt. 59 and 75th for traffic issues (hah, gotta laugh as we're talking the same today) and the school board explained it would be located the same distance off of 59 as Neuqua is now so people calmed down.

[wvhsparent]

archwinsome said:

wvhsparent said:

Go thru the archives....the answer you seek is there.

What I managed to find was price (we're way above that now), not in the north (back then, this did not help one's commute but left it same), and AME was not a willing seller at the time either.

What did I miss, if anything?

I always thought that it was too close to WVHS also.

[lacy]

sleeplessinnpvl said:

I agree with WVHSparent. Everyone needs to figure out what is the biggest priority and come to support them. I know if I was the school board, they have to realize this proposal is not the best. And if people that were not affected by the boundary change came out and supported Watts/Owen/Gombert/Petersen etc. than that would really make me stop and think. If we do this logically and rationally, then maybe the board will table things on Tuesday to examine. If there are altruistic people out there trying to help others, then hey, I have faith in this district. But if people just whine about their situation, they are just going to be labeled as whiners by everyone there. Find a solution. Fry, what IS your solution to becoming walkers? I see the middle school split thing doesn't seem to phase you anymore??? Then find out a REASONABLE ES that you can pull away to make you a walker. Oh, golly, there isn't one. But maybe your middle school split could be managed. Pick a battle that you can win and find a solution that the board will listen to and others will stand behind you on. I'm thinking the folks in WE would support you in the MS split but not be so supportive of you bailing on them to walk to NV. And someone find a solution for poor Petersen and the Watts/Owen mess, as I just can't.

Why do you have sympathy for the commutes of Watts/Owen, but not for Fry?

Why the double standard?

And if the bridge makes Fry walkers - why shouldn't they walk?

Why the double standard?

[d204mom]

eagledad said:

I'm not saying TG or WE are walkers, or should stay at NV. I would say that TG could have been walkers, but due to the extemely poor geographical choice of MWGen can not be accomodated as such.

I am saying you cannot use made up data about the bridge and send it district-wide.

Tough decisions will be made all around, and we really must question what we have held as givens for a long time. These tough decisions have already been made for TG and WE, now the same must be done in regards to McCarty, and possibly Steck to reduce the over-the-top craziness of Owen, Peterson, the Gomert split, and Watts.

Agree. If walkers can get pulled & put on a bus then pull McCarty and Steck and others to MV. There is no walker excuse anymore. Put them at the 2nd closest school. Put Welch at WV; they are closer.

[lacy]

d204mom said:

eagledad said:

I'm not saying TG or WE are walkers, or should stay at NV. I would say that TG could have been walkers, but due to the extemely poor geographical choice of MWGen can not be accomodated as such.

I am saying you cannot use made up data about the bridge and send it district-wide.

Tough decisions will be made all around, and we really must question what we have held as givens for a long time. These tough decisions have already been made for TG and WE, now the same must be done in regards to McCarty, and possibly Steck to reduce the over-the-top craziness of Owen, Peterson, the Gomert split, and Watts.

Agree. If walkers can get pulled & put on a bus then pull McCarty and Steck and others to MV. There is no walker excuse anymore. Put them at the 2nd closest school. Put Welch at WV; they are closer.

Yes, they are.

[Arch]

wvhsparent said:

archwinsome said:

What I managed to find was price (we're way above that now), not in the north (back then, this did not help one's commute but left it same), and AME was not a willing seller at the time either.

What did I miss, if anything?

I always thought that it was too close to WVHS also.

OK, fair enough.

I can understand that it did pull some from teh south north to fill it, thus pulling them away from their existing school. Instead of pulling them a 'little' north, now we have to pull more people WAY FURTHER north to fill the other location...

That, somehow, is better in what altruistic way?

[lacy]

doctorwho said:

lacy said:

Why do you have sympathy for the commutes of Watts/Owen, but not for Fry?

Why the double standard?

And if the bridge makes Fry walkers - why shouldn't they walk?

Why the double standard?

I understand Fry's concern - the only thing I can add is you are not going to the 3rd closest HS as we are -- and you're commute is being made longer because the bus will make more stops so that they SD can parade them thru areas like us who actually would have to travel a much further distance.

Also consider the fact we travel across the district for MS also

That being said I understand your concern too though

And I understand your's.

They think we can take the "back roads". But the buses won't. And parents of new drivers won't want them to either. So it will indeed be a very long commute. And people are unhappy.

[doctorwho]

lacy said:

doctorwho said:

I understand Fry's concern - the only thing I can add is you are not going to the 3rd closest HS as we are -- and you're commute is being made longer because the bus will make more stops so that they SD can parade them thru areas like us who actually would have to travel a much further distance.

Also consider the fact we travel across the district for MS also

That being said I understand your concern too though

And I understand your's.

They think we can take the "back roads". But the buses won't. And parents of new drivers won't want them to either. So it will indeed be a very long commute. And people are unhappy.

absolutely agree -- people send you - as the crow flies - GPS measurements to show you how close you are ( by helicopter ) - yet when you complain about time they have you cutting thru every shortcut in the world- regardless of how dangerous ( because it's not their kids) ) to show you how short it is --

[doctorwho]

gatordog said:

thebeefeater said:

...Attorney General Lisa Madigan urging her involvement, a flyer encouraging attendance at the Tuesday Board meeting, a full-page ad in Sunday's Naperville Sun, preparation of a presentation for Tuesday night, contacting various newspapers/investigative reporters, etc, as well as looking into legal action if necessary.
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hmmm....intersting tactics.

You know what would have been fair game for all this effort, mobilization, and making the district "better for the future" if you think that location was so critical? People should have made efforts back in the fall to ask the SB to try and pass another referendum to cover the BB land costs after the jury verdict. This would have been in the form of deleting the gym and pool etc at BB and building an incomplete MV there. And then hoping the voters would soon approve future spending to add these structures.

That is the process that could have been followed. But it wasnt. One reason I believe was because this very idea had tepid support at best on this very board. Gee, if we couldnt build consensus here....I wonder how that idea would have gone over with the general public? I think the SB accurately reflected what the broad district-wide public wanted: dont ask us for more money for this school.

I think this community "leadership" is misguided. The chance was there to use the democratic process of a referendum to address these concerns. And the democratic support for this path was not there.

No on ehas any idea if it was there or not> I remember Dr D at SB meetings talking about the aggressive use of survey ( low cost for return )- to gauge public interest in things -- alal air conditioning.....what happened to that concept? Has it been used - No . So was that all bull- or has he changed his mind -- a simple survye 95-5 90-10 -- he had all the buzz words would have told him that -- we're spending $150 M- I think we could have afforded a survey -- they chose not to do it -- why ?

[macy]

doctorwho said:

gatordog said:

hmmm....intersting tactics.

You know what would have been fair game for all this effort, mobilization, and making the district "better for the future" if you think that location was so critical? People should have made efforts back in the fall to ask the SB to try and pass another referendum to cover the BB land costs after the jury verdict. This would have been in the form of deleting the gym and pool etc at BB and building an incomplete MV there. And then hoping the voters would soon approve future spending to add these structures.

That is the process that could have been followed. But it wasnt. One reason I believe was because this very idea had tepid support at best on this very board. Gee, if we couldnt build consensus here....I wonder how that idea would have gone over with the general public? I think the SB accurately reflected what the broad district-wide public wanted: dont ask us for more money for this school.

I think this community "leadership" is misguided. The chance was there to use the democratic process of a referendum to address these concerns. And the democratic support for this path was not there.

No on ehas any idea if it was there or not> I remember Dr D at SB meetings talking about the aggressive use of survey ( low cost for return )- to gauge public interest in things -- alal air conditioning.....what happened to that concept? Has it been used - No . So was that all bull- or has he changed his mind -- a simple survye 95-5 90-10 -- he had all the buzz words would have told him that -- we're spending $150 M- I think we could have afforded a survey -- they chose not to do it -- why ?

A good idea, a survey. Still time for both the site and the boundaries.

[Arch]

I'll bring a new calculator and a spare set of batteries for BG.

[confused]

macy said:

doctorwho said:

No on ehas any idea if it was there or not> I remember Dr D at SB meetings talking about the aggressive use of survey ( low cost for return )- to gauge public interest in things -- alal air conditioning.....what happened to that concept? Has it been used - No . So was that all bull- or has he changed his mind -- a simple survye 95-5 90-10 -- he had all the buzz words would have told him that -- we're spending $150 M- I think we could have afforded a survey -- they chose not to do it -- why ?

A good idea, a survey. Still time for both the site and the boundaries.

How about a paper survey sent out to each taxpaying home in the district and tabulated by a certified group? No more online surveys - no room for fudging or triple voting or any other. I think that's the only survey that would be worthwhile.

[macy]

archwinsome said:

I'll bring a new calculator and a spare set of batteries for BG.

Can you also bring "Roberts rules of order"?

They needed that last time, let's make sure there's a copy available.