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Post by Arch on Feb 15, 2008 19:28:48 GMT -6
Continued here to prevent message erase bug.
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Post by ogden on Feb 15, 2008 19:41:04 GMT -6
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Today at 8:03am, archwinsome wrote:
Today at 7:49am, bob wrote:This is what I proposed
McCarty and Steck busers to MV
Owen to WV
Welch to Still
WE to Scullen
Ashwood Park to Scullen to make up difference of Welch leaving and WE coming in
Downside or Upside
Still becomes a triple split MS. It will send kids to all three HS.
IMO, that might be good.
Does anyone end up at the furthest HS from their area?
Yeah, half of Gombert but it sure makes others happy, right?
The East half of McCarty is just as close to NV as MV. And if you send McCarty to Granger, as has been suggested, then the McCarty kids are sent to the third farthest Middle School since both Still and the New Middle School is closer. So do not pretend that splitting and sending McCarty to MV is no big deal. If it needs to be done for the best of the district that is one thing. But just to give somebody else's problem to McCarty to help only themselves is completely different.
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Post by doctorwho on Feb 15, 2008 20:16:38 GMT -6
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today at 8:03am, archwinsome wrote: Today at 7:49am, bob wrote:This is what I proposed McCarty and Steck busers to MV Owen to WV Welch to Still WE to Scullen Ashwood Park to Scullen to make up difference of Welch leaving and WE coming in Downside or Upside Still becomes a triple split MS. It will send kids to all three HS. IMO, that might be good. Does anyone end up at the furthest HS from their area? Yeah, half of Gombert but it sure makes others happy, right? The East half of McCarty is just as close to NV as MV. And if you send McCarty to Granger, as has been suggested, then the McCarty kids are sent to the third farthest Middle School since both Still and the New Middle School is closer. So do not pretend that splitting and sending McCarty to MV is no big deal. If it needs to be done for the best of the district that is one thing. But just to give somebody else's problem to McCarty to help only themselves is completely different. you mean like they did to us -- who already goes to the 3rd closest MS -- with Gregory being the closest and Still the 2nd closest - or to give us Butterfields commute etc etc -- yeah, I understand |
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Post by sleeplessinnpvl on Feb 15, 2008 20:18:29 GMT -6
Momof156graders:
I'm very impressed you and so many others on this board take the time to drive around the different areas and try to understand what others are feeling or going through. You drove around many neighborhoods and took 2 hours of your valuable time to get a better feel of why certain people might be opposed or supportive of the current boundary plan. I wish we all had time to do that.
I also wish I had time to surf youtube for funny video. You guys have provided a much needed laugh here!
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Post by doctorwho on Feb 15, 2008 20:24:09 GMT -6
Momof156graders: I'm very impressed you and so many others on this board take the time to drive around the different areas and try to understand what others are feeling or going through. You drove around many neighborhoods and took 2 hours of your valuable time to get a better feel of why certain people might be opposed or supportive of the current boundary plan. I wish we all had time to do that. I also wish I had time to surf youtube for funny video. You guys have provided a much needed laugh here! One could only hope those making the decisions made the same kind of trips. Maybe we could get Laidlaw to rent us a schoolbus and all the decision makers could make all the same trips they have just assigned to parents - make them in the morning - and afternoon- and again in rush hour as parents trying to get to the high school after work to see their child play or perform.... And make them once, when it is snowing, even a little -- Maybe we could let a 17 year old drive the bus so that they could see how well a young driver copes with those commutes.... yeah, I'm dreamin' - but I think it would be eye opening for a few... |
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Post by slp on Feb 15, 2008 20:39:13 GMT -6
I couldn't quote ED because the thread is locked, but in response to ED's comment that most likely the new high school will not open in 2009 and therefore my current Scullen 6th grader need not worry about leaving Scullen for 8th grade in 2009.... ED stated it would become a current 5th grader's problem.... Sure, that will be nice for my family, but NO child should have to change their middle school in 8th grade (just like no 5th grader or junior or senior in HS is being asked to do so). Whatever kids are affected by this... I will stand behind a request to grandfather these kids, anyones' kids. ED, don't you have a 5th grader? I'll watch your back!  |
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Post by ogden on Feb 15, 2008 21:09:24 GMT -6
"I do not think that the solution for Owen's long commute is to separate walkers v.s non walkers out of Steck and McCarty. Then you would be sending children in one neighborhood to two different high schools. WVHS is a part of the Oakhurst neighborhood."
You need to remember that parts of Oakhurst attend McCarty [S/E Corner of McCoy and Eola] so your proposal splits Oakhurst and sends some Oakhurst kids to MV. Plus many McCarty kids live closer to WV than Oakhurst kids, specifically the kids across Eola near the WV Eola parking lot exit stop light - across from the Church. So the SB is not going to put McCarty walkers on a bus. Besides this is all a moot point. McCarty will never be split and McCarty will stay at WV. Same with Steck.
"I joined this thread because I did not want the misperception that Steck families did not care whether they went to Metea or WVHS to be perpetuated. I do not pretend that I have all of the solutions for this difficult problem. As far as middle school choices for Steck, location wise there are several choices which would be fine -- the freshman campus, still, granger. I have to admit that I am not thrilled for Steck to be in the freshman campus with 2 of the 4 lowest performing es. But location wise it makes sense."
I am sure the Georgetown and McCarty kids will make the Steck kids feel welcome at the new middle school. They all seem to get along at WV right now.
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Post by rew on Feb 15, 2008 22:18:27 GMT -6
" Besides this is all a moot point. McCarty will never be split and McCarty will stay at WV. Same with Steck. With MM and CV on the board, you're probably right. |
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Post by Arch on Feb 15, 2008 22:41:28 GMT -6
" Besides this is all a moot point. McCarty will never be split and McCarty will stay at WV. Same with Steck. With MM and CV on the board, you're probably right. Can't everyone go to their closest school? Oh wait, no.. they can't.. How about everyone going to either the first or second closest? Not by the Admin's boundaries.. But it can be done with some that have been submitted. Here's hoping they will spread the 'fair criteria' equally. |
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Post by momof156graders on Feb 16, 2008 1:54:10 GMT -6
From: Ed Dalton
Sent: Fri 2/15/2008 9:38 AM
To: Suzanne Hart
Cc: Mindy Munn
Subject: School District #204
Commissioner Hart,
Good morning. As per your request after last nights Board Meeting, I have attached my correspondence to School District #204 in regards to the maintenance of the pedestrian bridge that is to be built over Route 59.
As you are aware the bridge has not yet been built and the Park District was not informed by the School District that they intended to use this as a pedestrian route for their students’ verses busing the students to Neuqua High School as they currently do. With the information available to us we categorized the bridge as a secondary priority.
We are asked periodically by residents and both School District # 203 and #204 to add additional areas to our primary snow routes and all requests are evaluated and considered. We would welcome a request from School District #204 to have the bridge added to our primary snow removal route. We currently have crews clearing the parking lots at Frontier for the students to park so this request can be easily accommodated.
Ed Dalton
Parks Director
320 W. Jackson Avenue
Naperville, Illinois 60540
Tel: 630-848-5037
Fax:630-848-5043
edalton@napervilleparks.org
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Post by confused on Feb 16, 2008 6:38:57 GMT -6
From: Ed Dalton Sent: Fri 2/15/2008 9:38 AM To: Suzanne Hart Cc: Mindy Munn Subject: School District #204 Commissioner Hart, Good morning. As per your request after last nights Board Meeting, I have attached my correspondence to School District #204 in regards to the maintenance of the pedestrian bridge that is to be built over Route 59. As you are aware the bridge has not yet been built and the Park District was not informed by the School District that they intended to use this as a pedestrian route for their students’ verses busing the students to Neuqua High School as they currently do. With the information available to us we categorized the bridge as a secondary priority. We are asked periodically by residents and both School District # 203 and #204 to add additional areas to our primary snow routes and all requests are evaluated and considered. We would welcome a request from School District #204 to have the bridge added to our primary snow removal route. We currently have crews clearing the parking lots at Frontier for the students to park so this request can be easily accommodated. Ed Dalton Parks Director 320 W. Jackson Avenue Naperville, Illinois 60540 Tel: 630-848-5037 Fax:630-848-5043 edalton@napervilleparks.org Great info. Based on this and other areas I have seen around the district, the bridge would actually get more attention than other high school walk routes in the district. |
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Post by sleeplessinnpvl on Feb 16, 2008 6:47:20 GMT -6
Did anyone check with the City? The Park District will not maintain the actual bridge. IMO, the SB still has the ultimate say on this if the City won't put it Priority One, right?
Based on how I read the memo, the City won't be waking up at 5 am to shovel the bridge. Therefore, the district has not notified the Park District that it has to be a priority one route because it's the bridge, not the walkway that is the issue. Am I missing something?
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Post by wolverine on Feb 16, 2008 6:49:26 GMT -6
" Besides this is all a moot point. McCarty will never be split and McCarty will stay at WV. Same with Steck. With MM and CV on the board, you're probably right. In the last referendum, CB voted the district's best interest above his neighborhood's (Brookdale). I would expect all board members to do the same, even MM and CV. |
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Post by sleeplessinnpvl on Feb 16, 2008 7:19:45 GMT -6
With MM and CV on the board, you're probably right. In the last referendum, CB voted the district's best interest above his neighborhood's (Brookdale). I would expect all board members to do the same, even MM and CV. This situation kind of amazes me. We clearly know that the school board feels that if someone else is closer than another school, they should go instead of that school. We saw that two years ago with Fry and SB. I applauded that logic because it did make sense. I've said several times here that I lived across the street from my Junior high yet I was bussed elsewhere. Yet, for some reason, there are bussers in McC and Steck. But the rule in the south doesn't seem to be applied to the north. Yes, those in McC and Steck won't be happy. Neither were the Fry folks. Yes, the McC and Steck folks can see WV from their back yards. So can Fry. (So can the Petersen folks who can't go to Crone and have to go to Still) The lack of consistency is mind bloggling. If Fry and Petersen have to make concessions so other folks don't have a 45 minute commute, why do the McC and Steck folks get a pass? I'm sorry if I have offended anyone from there, but I just don't understand this. And why the board keeps overlooking the Welch bussers is also mind boggling. The only answer I can come up with is that the McC/Steck busser numbers aren't significant enough to justify the Owen population. Is there any way to separate the bussers in McC/Steck so that subdivisions aren't split? Are you guys saying that part of Oakhurst walks and part of Oakhurst doesn't so you would be split? Gosh, again, I'm not seeing that as a problem down south. Let's just gouge Petersen up like a piece of stale pie...... |
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Post by rew on Feb 16, 2008 7:27:45 GMT -6
CB acted in the interest of the district because he HAD to get VOTES. It was not a selfless act.
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