Disappointment - Cont'd

[momof156graders]

If Fry and Petersen have to make concessions so other folks don't have a 45 minute commute, why do the McC and Steck folks get a pass? I'm sorry if I have offended anyone from there, but I just don't understand this. And why the board keeps overlooking the Welch bussers is also mind boggling.
Sleepless,
I agree,with the above that you stated, and the problem I have with that is that the "concessions" of Fry and Peterson give Fry the second longest guesstimated commute time in the district. What would be my child's bus route has a three minute return trip and an 8 min departure trip. Average 5 1/2 min. bus ride. To add 10 hours a week to their bus time is just wrong for the kids. They have to rethink things. If they truly can't find a better solution what happened to that addition to NVHS that plans were drawn up for years ago? Yes, the school is already crowded, but as a quality of life issue, I would pick a crowded school across the street over 10 EXTRA hours on a bus each week(minimum).

As for the bridge letter I feel it is very significant, because the PD states the bridge could be considered priority one, but the school district never asked! Their argument why the bridge was not good enough was based on that snow removal argument. To dedicate a page of their proposal without asking for the priority one status shows bias. The PD states it would be easy to accommodate. They already do the parking lot area. That is right next to the fields where the bridge lands the kids. If the PD clearing of the parking lot area is safe enough for the kids to walk that sidewalk from their cars, there should be no question. They stated incorrect information because it was the answer they wanted to hear. Again not in the best interest of our kids.

[Arch]

When I walk my dogs around the neighborhood, the PD always has the sidewalks cleared... well before anyone else.

No one shows up with a shovel. There are tire marks, it's cleared and sometimes there's salt down too.

They do a great job.

[thebeefeater]

rew said:

CB acted in the interest of the district because he HAD to get VOTES. It was not a selfless act.

IMO, CB thought the most important thing for the district was a new school. As such, he voted on the boundaries that he felt would have the best chance of helping the referendum pass. Regardless of the fact that it forced his neighborhood To be...

1. On an attendance island
2. Split from their middle school
3. Longest commute in the district (driving right past the new HS to get to WVHS) (6+ miles)

They were asking this of the 5th worst performing ES in the district. The island is even more significant because the ES is the 2nd or 3rd smallest. It is also one of the title 1 schools in the district.

Seems to me that doing all this to his neighbors to get the referendum approved (because "he HAD to get the VOTES"), which he believed was in the best interest of the district was a pretty selfless act.




I'm sorry but #3 on here is a load coming from someone drawing GPS maps everywhere as well as the fact us here is Watts keep being told how Eola is such fun to drive on.

Why would Brookdale drive to 75th street ( and not trun west befopre that - at the very least Ogden) to go to WVHS ?

If you can use that statement - then Watts could surely use driving 75th or Ogden to Eola and then north -- Driving US past WVHS --

I heard thisbefore and I call bull on #3

[rew]

And I heard his neighbors were very selfless, voting 80% NO

[sleeplessinnpvl]

thebeefeater said:

rew said:

CB acted in the interest of the district because he HAD to get VOTES. It was not a selfless act.

IMO, CB thought the most important thing for the district was a new school. As such, he voted on the boundaries that he felt would have the best chance of helping the referendum pass. Regardless of the fact that it forced his neighborhood To be...

1. On an attendance island
2. Split from their middle school
3. Longest commute in the district (driving right past the new HS to get to WVHS) (6+ miles)

They were asking this of the 5th worst performing ES in the district. The island is even more significant because the ES is the 2nd or 3rd smallest. It is also one of the title 1 schools in the district.

Seems to me that doing all this to his neighbors to get the referendum approved (because "he HAD to get the VOTES"), which he believed was in the best interest of the district was a pretty selfless act.

I agree. He couldn't have been very popular with his subdivision. If what you heard about him being threatened is true, then I am so embarrassed to live in this city. I guess I would expect the same selflessness from the other SB members, but maybe not if CB was really threatened.

I would hope that if the SB does reexamine boundaries that they take the longest commutes (Owen and Fry) and see if they could be switched for someone else and not make the commute worse for whoever is being switched. (Maybe McC/Steck or Welch). If the numbers work, then do it. At least it wouldn't look like they are playing favorites. And if they can't, then give a reasonable explanation why they can't.

[thebeefeater]

thebeefeater said:

rew said:

CB acted in the interest of the district because he HAD to get VOTES. It was not a selfless act.

IMO, CB thought the most important thing for the district was a new school. As such, he voted on the boundaries that he felt would have the best chance of helping the referendum pass. Regardless of the fact that it forced his neighborhood To be...

1. On an attendance island
2. Split from their middle school
3. Longest commute in the district (driving right past the new HS to get to WVHS) (6+ miles)

They were asking this of the 5th worst performing ES in the district. The island is even more significant because the ES is the 2nd or 3rd smallest. It is also one of the title 1 schools in the district.

Seems to me that doing all this to his neighbors to get the referendum approved (because "he HAD to get the VOTES"), which he believed was in the best interest of the district was a pretty selfless act.

Just to keep beating my drum.

To my friends at Fry,

1. You are not on an attendence island (you attend with your geographic neighbors).
2. You are being split from your MS of which you are half the population (IMO, If we are going to have splits, this is the best case scenario that half of the school goes together)
3. You are not being asked to have an overly long commute. (Only 3.8 miles) tinyurl.com/2gn5jq

You are being asked to move away from a very close school and for that I do feel for you. Unfortunately, the other options place much more pain on another area.

To my friends at Watts

1. You are not on an attendence island
2. You are not being split from your MS
3. You are going to a beautiful new HS

You are being asked to travel 5.7 miles (http://tinyurl.com/3c5b9j) to the third closest HS and for that I do feel for you.

However, IMO, Fry and Watts are not being dumped on. It's not your first choice, but you are not getting the short end of the stick from every possible angle.

To my friends at Owen, You are getting the Brookdale deal in these boundaries. I really hope they find a solution for you.

[thebeefeater]

sleeplessinnpvl said:

thebeefeater said:

IMO, CB thought the most important thing for the district was a new school. As such, he voted on the boundaries that he felt would have the best chance of helping the referendum pass. Regardless of the fact that it forced his neighborhood To be...

1. On an attendance island
2. Split from their middle school
3. Longest commute in the district (driving right past the new HS to get to WVHS) (6+ miles)

They were asking this of the 5th worst performing ES in the district. The island is even more significant because the ES is the 2nd or 3rd smallest. It is also one of the title 1 schools in the district.

Seems to me that doing all this to his neighbors to get the referendum approved (because "he HAD to get the VOTES"), which he believed was in the best interest of the district was a pretty selfless act.

I agree. He couldn't have been very popular with his subdivision. If what you heard about him being threatened is true, then I am so embarrassed to live in this city. I guess I would expect the same from the other members, but maybe not if CB was really threatened.

I would hope that if the SB does reexamine boundaries that they take the longest commutes (Owen and Fry) and see if they could be switched for someone else and not make the commute worse for whoever is being switched. (Maybe McC/Steck or Welch). If the numbers work, then do it. At least it wouldn't look like they are playing favorites. And if they can't, then give a reasonable explanation why they can't.

I want to know where you heard that CB was threatened by his neighbors. They were not happy true, but the notion that they threatened CB and his family is rediculous.

Another important thing to take away from this is that 20% of his neighbors (Brookdale) voted YES to the referendum which was a very bad deal for them.

Does 20% of Fry support these boundaries?
How about Owen?
How about Watts?

I don't hear anybody saying yes from these areas. In brookdale, 1 out of 5 said YES. They said that the new HS was the best for the district regardless of where it left them. Please let me hear from the 20% from the Fry, Watts and Owen areas that are being selfless. I have yet to hear it.

[thebeefeater]

Fry DOES NOT HAVE THE LONGEST COMMUTE. IT IS ONLY 3.8 MILES. Please see this link tinyurl.com/2gn5jq

It is unbelievable that by continually saying something over and over it becomes true.

[rew]

Wouldn't that be great? If we could re- vote?

Now there's an idea.


And I guarantee you that if you presented Owen/Watts/Cowlishaw/ Fry/Gombert/ White Eagle with the option to be an island, split their middle school AND STAY at their current HS assignment, you'd have closer to 100% YES votes.

[Arch]

thebeefeater said:

However, IMO, Fry and Watts are not being dumped on. It's not your first choice, but you are not getting the short end of the stick from every possible angle.

To my friends at Owen, You are getting the Brookdale deal in these boundaries. I really hope they find a solution for you.

If any of these areas were getting the 'Brookdale deal' in the boundaries they would be left at their ORIGINAL HS, Just like Brookdale was.

Brookdale was getting no further distance/time added to their HS commute. Nothing in that regard was changing for them.

Your apples to apples is really apples to tripe.

[204family]

Fry will have the second longest commute in the district. I don't care how many maps you send me.

The only reason we're still at our MS and ES is b/c they're in our subdivision...I don't owe a vote of thanks to the SB for that. Frankly, I've been patting myself on the back for that one. In the end, they still kicked us a litte at the MS level, but others got it worse.

[momof156graders]

thebeefeater said:

Fry DOES NOT HAVE THE LONGEST COMMUTE. IT IS ONLY 3.8 MILES. Please see this link tinyurl.com/2gn5jq

It is unbelievable that by continually saying something over and over it becomes true.

I said second longest - and that was based on the transportation "map" times thee proposal incled. Fry was listed at 33 min. average commute - 2nd only to Owens 35.

[momof156graders]

I have a letter I would really like to post, but it is jpeg. Can someone PLEASE tell me how to ost a photo?

[thebeefeater]

archwinsome said:

thebeefeater said:

However, IMO, Fry and Watts are not being dumped on. It's not your first choice, but you are not getting the short end of the stick from every possible angle.

To my friends at Owen, You are getting the Brookdale deal in these boundaries. I really hope they find a solution for you.

If any of these areas were getting the 'Brookdale deal' in the boundaries they would be left at their ORIGINAL HS, Just like Brookdale was.

Brookdale was getting no further distance/time added to their HS commute. Nothing in that regard was changing for them.

Your apples to apples is really apples to tripe.

How could Brookdale have gone to a farther school? WVHS is the farthest school. It is about as far away as Nequa.

[thebeefeater]

momof156graders said:

thebeefeater said:

Fry DOES NOT HAVE THE LONGEST COMMUTE. IT IS ONLY 3.8 MILES. Please see this link tinyurl.com/2gn5jq

It is unbelievable that by continually saying something over and over it becomes true.

I said second longest - and that was based on the transportation "map" times thee proposal incled. Fry was listed at 33 min. average commute - 2nd only to Owens 35.

Oh, yes that, the bussing map. True, you commute is being increased by 4 minutes. Your current average bus time is 29 minutes right? Do you really have a beef with 4 minutes?