Mandalay Club subdivision

[momof3]

Anyone going to tonight's city council meeting? From the Naperville Sun, P 10:

Mandalay Club subdivision:
The issue: The council will hold a public hearing and vote on the annexation and construction of the 33-lot, single-family subdivision near Lapp Lane and Landsdown Avenue in the southwest part of Naperville.

What it means: City staff recommend the council deny the request because the land was originally slated for "community facilities," rather than residences, in the city's Southwest Sector Plan. Concerns also have been raised over the number of children the development would generate for Indian Prairie School District 204.

City Council: 7 pm today, council chambers, Municipal Center, 400 S. Eagle St.

[204parent]

In the Naperville Sun today:



Mandalay Club development gains council's approval

By Kate R. Houlihan
staff writer

It turns out the third time is the charm for the developer of a proposed single-family home subdivision in southwestern Naperville.

Overcoming obstacles such as worries about burdening Indian Prairie School District with additional students and a 2002 Southwest Community Area Plan designation that had the land marked as a "community facility," the Mandalay Club housing development passed the city council 5-2 Tuesday, with council members Grant Wehrli and Darlene Senger absent.

At two previous meetings, the council had delayed a final decision and asked the petitioner, Kramer Kobler LLC, to come back with a more creative plan for the approximately 15-acre property located between Lapp Lane and Landsdown Avenue east of the soon-to-be-vacated 248th Avenue.

Attorney Len Monson, speaking for Kramer Kobler LLC, said the newest plan showed 28 single-family lots on two cul-de-sacs, with one main decorated entrance serving the neighborhood.

The land is currently owned by HOPE Community United Church of Christ. Monson said the plan is one of cooperation, especially when it comes to a bike path that runs north of the neighboring Tall Grass subdivision.

"We will work with the city, Commonwealth Edison and the neighboring homeowner's association to extend the bike path across the northern part of the plan," Monson said.

Monson said the successful referendum for a third high school in District 204 helps ease overcrowding and student-generation concerns, along with the still unopened Peterson Elementary School, which would potentially serve the Mandalay area. But some council members said it was important to remember the original purpose of the scorecard and other factors.

"We should plan based on zoning and what we think is right rather than looking at the scorecard and seeing what room we have left," Councilman Kenn Miller said.

Two residents from Tall Grass came forward to suggest the land be left as open space, something they told the council was becoming a rarity on the southwest side. About a dozen members of Hope United stood at one point to express their support for selling the land and rezoning it for the Mandalay Club.


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Contact Kate Houlihan at 630-416-5224 or [e-mail].

09/08/06

[wvhsparent]

I wonder what kind of homes they want to put in there.....I would assume the homes would be comparable to Ashwood/Tallgrass.
Seems to me there is already a glut of homesites in that area and it seems sales are slow.

Maybe the Tallgrass HOA could get a contribution from all it's homeowners and buy the property to keep it open, if thats what they want, or do they expect Naperville to do that for them.

[rt59]

Maybe the Tallgrass HOA could get a contribution from all it's homeowners and buy the property to keep it open, if thats what they want, or do they expect Naperville to do that for them.

They will be too busy upkeeping the new bridge to Frontier Park.

[momof3]

Thanks for the extra students, Naperville City Council! Way to keep your word on the master plan!

Keep up the good work re-zoning from retail and "community facility" to residential! Oh, and while you're at it, you can re-zone all of the single family to high density!

[momof3]

wvhsparent said:

Maybe the Tallgrass HOA could get a contribution from all it's homeowners and buy the property to keep it open, if thats what they want, or do they expect Naperville to do that for them.

parent - if that is a reference to Mayneland Farm or the Ponds of Hobson West, I think the main beef the neighbors have in both cases are the rezoning requests (from single family to high density).
The other frustrating thing is that the developer's attorneys get paid to attend council meeting after council meeting to propose the same zoning change until the opposition slips up and misses one. It worked for Mandalay, and it worked for Greenbrier Townhomes.

Buyer beware - NEVER purchase a house next to an open space in Naperville. If it's zoned single family today, who knows what the council will re-zone it to next week.

[EagleDad]

Anyone know what is meant by this quote in the Sun:
"the soon-to-be-vacated 248th Avenue."

What's happening to 248th?

As always I hate to see more land re-zoned to residential, it should be avoided at all costs.

However, if they want to re-zone the Crossroads church land, I'm fine with that. They lied to me and left another door hanger on my door this weekend

[ilove204]

248th street is going away... never to return.

[EagleDad]

really, the whole thing from 95th down to 127th? That's the first I heard that. Anyone have any links on this project?

[ilove204]

On Wednesday, September 20, 2006, at noon, 248th Avenue between 91st Street and 95th Street will be vacated and closed permanently to through traffic. 248th Avenue south of 95th Street will remain unchanged.

Existing traffic on 248th Avenue, between 91st Street and 95th Street, will be routed west to 250th Avenue (Wolf's Crossing Road).

[ilove204]

Go to the City of NAperville web site

See Transportation section

[bob]

www.naperville.il.us/emplibrary/site%20map.pdf

a map of what they are going to do.

[wvhsparent]

momof3 said:

wvhsparent said:

Maybe the Tallgrass HOA could get a contribution from all it's homeowners and buy the property to keep it open, if thats what they want, or do they expect Naperville to do that for them.

parent - if that is a reference to Mayneland Farm or the Ponds of Hobson West, I think the main beef the neighbors have in both cases are the rezoning requests (from single family to high density).
The other frustrating thing is that the developer's attorneys get paid to attend council meeting after council meeting to propose the same zoning change until the opposition slips up and misses one. It worked for Mandalay, and it worked for Greenbrier Townhomes.

Buyer beware - NEVER purchase a house next to an open space in Naperville. If it's zoned single family today, who knows what the council will re-zone it to next week.

No reference to anything was intended, although now that you mention it...does'nt the city want the Naper Park Dist to buy some property instead of allowing townhomes (High desity)?

It really does not matter where or what piece of open land there is...someone will always want it to stay open.
Up in the great white north end of the dist where I hail from (Marmion/Big Woods) there is a big stink about a Walmart going in at the corner of Kirk and Butterfield......a couple of my neighbors were also miffed about the outlet mall so much so they moved.

[EagleDad]

Great info Bob, now I understand. Found another article on it too:
www.suburbanchicagonews.com/sunpub/60504/top/2_6_5_fv17_carillon_s10817.htm

[momof3]

wvhsparent said:

No reference to anything was intended, although now that you mention it...does'nt the city want the Naper Park Dist to buy some property instead of allowing townhomes (High desity)?

parent - That's the Ponds of Hobson West. The neighbors' objection is the re-zoning from SF to HD. The concil brought up the PD purchase, not the neighbors.

It's the CHANGES that I object to. The City of Naperville puts forth a master plan and says "ok, everyone - residents, school districts, etc. - make your plans! Then the council eats away at the master plan bit by bit. Then the SD and the residents are the bad guys - "You knew your house was next to an open field that could be developed!" or "Bad Planning! Now we need another high school?!"

Yes, I would be miffed if I bought a new house next to property that was zoned single family and all of the sudden there was a high rise or a Wal Mart next door.

(ETA - and I think that 'Ponds of Hobson West' is an exceptional case. It's 2 ponds on a piece of property with a large park district sign reading "Ponds of Hobson West." Who would have thought that a developer would purchase the sliver of land between the 2 ponds and propose to cram 5 townhouses there? If a park district sign is on a piece of property, I think most folks would assume the PD owns it!)