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Post by doctorwho on Apr 10, 2008 11:26:21 GMT -6
1st Amendment allows many to make a$$es out of themselves... So true - hopefully the gentlemen thinks before he suits up again! There is such an ugly under current that exists and in the end this stuff hurts the kids. I know for some there is a true concern for environmental but for many this argument is just the instrument to acheive an end result they demand and in the process they have again divided a district, pitted families against each other, communities against each other. There is this one huge missing link in the argument if this is really truly about the environmental concerns - WHY NOT raise the issue on all the sites or existing schools - we all know why - because this really isn't it for the individuals in the lawsuit - just the tool and ultimately we would find something wrong at every single school location - every single one without a doubt. At the end of the day - this is all so very sad! The yes people - the no people we have all become puppets in 8 peoples play! Much like Dr D. I don't think you can say this is 8 people or 200-300 - there are plenty of people upset over this location. And yes, for many safety is the concern. To dismiss this as 8 people is really sad. Are you telling me there are not supporters of AME that are the pawns of another small group of people ? That everyone there is for 'all the kids' not self centereed and different now because the school is in their back yard and screw everyone else ? Voting record says this is not true. If you are going to point the finger of being disengenuous, I suggest you look around -- no one side has the patent on that. And just because schools were built before within safety concern areas ( when less was known about a lot of things)- do we continue to do so when we know better ? Your answer is obviosuly yes - mine is No. Do you still smoke ? Now that we know the dangers of 2nd hand smoke haven't we stopped having our kids around it in restaurants and public places. That's called learning from one's mistakes, not continuing to do them. And yes, I want to see the same safety concerns wherever we put the school. One of our SB memebrs said last April he would never put a school near a switching station ( of course that switching station was at MACOM - not AME) - I would want to see the same due diligence applied to any site -- we'll see if the site moves how altruisitc the current 'dsitrict supporters' from some areas are, and how much it applied to ' in my back yard' |
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Post by Arch on Apr 10, 2008 11:29:08 GMT -6
1st Amendment allows many to make a$$es out of themselves... So true - hopefully the gentlemen thinks before he suits up again! There is such an ugly under current that exists and in the end this stuff hurts the kids. I know for some there is a true concern for environmental but for many this argument is just the instrument to acheive an end result they demand and in the process they have again divided a district, pitted families against each other, communities against each other. There is this one huge missing link in the argument if this is really truly about the environmental concerns - WHY NOT raise the issue on all the sites or existing schools - we all know why - because this really isn't it for the individuals in the lawsuit - just the tool and ultimately we would find something wrong at every single school location - every single one without a doubt. At the end of the day - this is all so very sad! The yes people - the no people we have all become puppets in 8 peoples play! I am more than willing to revisit each and every school site and do whatever can be done (even relocation) to ensure their safety. I believe I posted many times on the Sun Blogs of words to that effect. Yes, things are wrong with ANY site. Those wrong things can be catagorized into lethal or non lethal things wrong. From there we can further break out levels of each category etc... Obviously it's a huge involved process and too much to go into on here but I agree with you, there are things wrong everywhere. They can be prioritized and slotted into stages of "how badly would this impact us if X, Y or Z goes wrong?" and work from there. |
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Post by hillmom on Apr 10, 2008 12:36:03 GMT -6
Doctorwho - Guess the difference between you and I is I voted for the school when I was considered one of the groups that got the raw end of the deal - I was yes no matter who was going to benefit. I am not a self serving person particularlly with my vote - I take that privellge more seriously than caring just about myself.
As for the screw everyone else attitude isn't that the very thing NSFOC has done to the 18,000 families in the district that didn't feel strongly enough to give them a dime.
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Post by Arch on Apr 10, 2008 12:40:02 GMT -6
Doctorwho - Guess the difference between you and I is I voted for the school when I was considered one of the groups that got the raw end of the deal - I was yes no matter who was going to benefit. I am not a self serving person particularlly with my vote - I take that privellge more seriously than caring just about myself. As for the screw everyone else attitude isn't that the very thing NSFOC has done to the 18,000 families in the district that didn't feel strongly enough to give them a dime. Time might show that they kept the district from screwing itself... |
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Post by jftb on Apr 10, 2008 12:41:23 GMT -6
Doctorwho - Guess the difference between you and I is I voted for the school when I was considered one of the groups that got the raw end of the deal - I was yes no matter who was going to benefit. I am not a self serving person particularlly with my vote - I take that privellge more seriously than caring just about myself. As for the screw everyone else attitude isn't that the very thing NSFOC has done to the 18,000 families in the district that didn't feel strongly enough to give them a dime. Time might show that they kept the district from screwing itself... Praise be to God. |
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Post by doctorwho on Apr 10, 2008 12:54:19 GMT -6
Doctorwho - Guess the difference between you and I is I voted for the school when I was considered one of the groups that got the raw end of the deal - I was yes no matter who was going to benefit. I am not a self serving person particularlly with my vote - I take that privellge more seriously than caring just about myself. As for the screw everyone else attitude isn't that the very thing NSFOC has done to the 18,000 families in the district that didn't feel strongly enough to give them a dime. My concern was about ALL children. I would not send anyone's child to that site - so maybe you want to look at that instead of the self pontification. I am glad you voted yes last time ( amazing none of the 80% exists anywhere any more) - If you were looking to build a home, would you build it on MWGEN ? No one would, yet you'd send our children there -- don't lecture me on being selfish. My vote was for the best and saftest cite as told me me over and over again by our SB and SD. I preached that messages to hundreds -maybe thousands of people. I would not have done that for this property. I voted for the school at BB and would have been happy to attend ANY of the 3 204 schools - I have been very clear about that. No I would not send my child ( nor yours ) to AME-MWGEN and for that I do not apologize. Thank God the people at MWGEN had more common sense than others... And btw I totally support my SD -- but not always EVERYTHING it's leaders intend to do. I am not a sheep that will sign a survey saying, I support you unconditionally - even if it is on something I think is wrong. If that makes me a bad person ...so be it. you follow your path, I'll follow mine. I'm very comfortable with my stance. |
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Post by fryfox on Apr 10, 2008 12:57:50 GMT -6
Time might show that they kept the district from screwing itself... Praise be to God. Unfortunately, we may never know for sure. The saddest thing is that the SB and district attitude with their lack of communication and ineffective way of dealing with the public, steamrolling through this process, etc, etc and picking a site that screams "ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES!!!!" started all of this. And now there is a huge division and anger toward TG & WE that will take years and years to dissipate. If the SB/Dash would have handled this better, we would have never gotten to this point. |
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Post by slp on Apr 10, 2008 13:11:39 GMT -6
Unfortunately, we may never know for sure. The saddest thing is that the SB and district attitude with their lack of communication and ineffective way of dealing with the public, steamrolling through this process, etc, etc and picking a site that screams "ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES!!!!" started all of this. And now there is a huge division and anger toward TG & WE that will take years and years to dissipate. If the SB/Dash would have handled this better, we would have never gotten to this point. I couldn't agree more. I am very sad at how neighbors have turned against neighbors without knowing who they really are. I also hope that a huge lesson has been learned by the school board. |
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Post by Avenging Eagle on Apr 10, 2008 13:12:23 GMT -6
Unfortunately, we may never know for sure. The saddest thing is that the SB and district attitude with their lack of communication and ineffective way of dealing with the public, steamrolling through this process, etc, etc and picking a site that screams "ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES!!!!" started all of this. And now there is a huge division and anger toward TG & WE that will take years and years to dissipate. If the SB/Dash would have handled this better, we would have never gotten to this point. This hatred of WE has existed for over 10 years already, so we are veterans at dealing with this issue. I inherited this label when I moved in 4 years ago to WE, and new residents of WE will also take on this battle and defeat it. TG will do the same. Just like with other stereotyping problems, if you get to meet people from other areas and find out they are just regular people trying to live life and make ends meet, then these divisions break down and the extremists and troublemakers are exposed for who they really are. Also, new paint to cover up the orange graffiti on your garage helps out quite a bit. |
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Post by slp on Apr 10, 2008 13:21:33 GMT -6
Unfortunately, we may never know for sure. The saddest thing is that the SB and district attitude with their lack of communication and ineffective way of dealing with the public, steamrolling through this process, etc, etc and picking a site that screams "ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES!!!!" started all of this. And now there is a huge division and anger toward TG & WE that will take years and years to dissipate. If the SB/Dash would have handled this better, we would have never gotten to this point. This hatred of WE has existed for over 10 years already, so we are veterans at dealing with this issue. I inherited this label when I moved in 4 years ago to WE, and new residents of WE will also take on this battle and defeat it. TG will do the same. Just like with other stereotyping problems, if you get to meet people from other areas and find out they are just regular people trying to live life and make ends meet, then these divisions break down and the extremists and troublemakers are exposed for who they really are. Also, new paint to cover up the orange graffiti on your garage helps out quite a bit. true. I am through with being embarassed I live in White Eagle. I am through with being talked about negatively when no one has a clue who I am.... This nonsense needs to stop but somehow I think WE and TG will be blamed for the demise of the Eola location. It is no ones fault but the school board....period!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are fine people on the board (IMO) but they have made decisions that have been in poor judgement. The demise of this business deal is the result of each and every decision that was made by our school board. I wish us all well to heal from this and most of all I wish for a 3rd high school to relieve overcrowding for our kids that is in the most safe location possible. I hope that place is BB since that is what was deemed best by the school board and was deemed suitable by the majority of voting taxpayers. Lets move forward on that property if at all possible. Can we all promise to buy Brach candy for the rest of our lives? |
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Post by Arch on Apr 10, 2008 13:31:38 GMT -6
MWGEN's legal department would have axed this deal whether or not NSFOC would have formed or filed a lawsuit.
If you read their SEC filings, they are ALWAYS worried about environmental problems that could exist at their plants and the serious risk that carries with their financial ability to continue operating as a company.
It was dead before it started.
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Post by sushi on Apr 10, 2008 14:06:07 GMT -6
Why did they let it go on for so long?
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Post by macy on Apr 10, 2008 14:08:54 GMT -6
I think about two weeks ago they started getting really concerned with the uproar.
I bet they put the district on notice at that time but told them they'd think further til the agreement ended.
Seems like the district is a little surprised to me. That's what I don't understand.
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Post by Arch on Apr 10, 2008 14:09:12 GMT -6
Why did they let it go on for so long? In big companies many divisions take things to a near 'done deal' point then legal steps in for final blessing or axing. This one got axed. Was there even a written contract for this or was it not as far along as we were led to believe? Actually, none of that matters now. |
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Post by d204mom on Apr 10, 2008 14:21:06 GMT -6
You're right, Arch.
Attorneys at Parent Company in California probably took one look and said "WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?"
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