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Post by specailneedsmom on Apr 18, 2008 5:04:53 GMT -6
Well, of all the d***d things to happen. I turned on the news this morning and the first thing I thought about was Arch and the pipelines. Any comments???
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Post by specailneedsmom on Apr 18, 2008 5:08:19 GMT -6
I had to laugh. I'm not a religious person and I certainly don't buy into all the rhetoric about the purchase of the land being anyone's will, but you gotta wonder about an earthquake. I mean, someone is trying to tell us something, right??
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Post by JB on Apr 18, 2008 5:14:38 GMT -6
5.4 Quake Strikes Southern Illinois
Tremors Felt In Chicago
CHICAGO (CBS) ¯ An earthquake with an estimated magnitude of 5.4 struck southern Illinois early Friday, and was felt throughout the Chicago area.
The U.S. Geological Survey said the earthquake struck with an epicenter about six miles from West Salem, Ill. and 66 miles from Evansville, Ind. at 4:36:57 a.m.
There were no immediate reports of injuries.
The tremor was felt in CBS station WBBM-TV's studios inc Chicago, where audiovisual equipment and other items shook as the staff prepared for the news, and many of the staff reported the building shook.
Police scanner traffic also indicated that it was felt throughout the city and across the northern Illinois.
WBBM-TV's Executive Producer of Digital Media John Dodge said between 4:30 and 5 a.m., he was awoken by a rattling sound in his house in Northwest Indiana.
Viewer Vito Cifaldi added that he had felt the walls shake and the walls vibrate.
WBBM-TV reported there have been several calls to 911.
The New Madrid Fault is the largest center for seismic activity in the area. It was not immediately returned if the New Madrid Fault was origin of the earthquake.
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Post by JB on Apr 18, 2008 5:15:39 GMT -6
So that's what woke me up! It was freaky, but that early I thought it was a dream.
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Post by specailneedsmom on Apr 18, 2008 5:23:31 GMT -6
JB, this is all one continuous bad dream!
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Post by cb on Apr 18, 2008 5:38:18 GMT -6
It woke up me and my husband. I could feel the house shaking. Then I thought of Arch and pipelines.
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Post by snerdley on Apr 18, 2008 5:50:03 GMT -6
It woke us up and I had no doubt it was an earthquake. Maybe God is not so happy afterall!!
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Post by doctorwho on Apr 18, 2008 5:59:55 GMT -6
It woke up me and my husband. I could feel the house shaking. Then I thought of Arch and pipelines. Yeah, woke me up - as the front windows in the house wouldn't stop creaking and I thought a thunderstorm was rolling in ith igh winds- also my wife has this CHinese cabinet on her dresser and the metal lock pieces kepy clicking for like 20 seconds - couldn't stop them. SO -- waiting for the posts from some posters who were quoting the odds of anything like this happening here. Not saying a bigger one will happen soon, but let's not pretend it's not possible either. But i guess we're just dumb asses to consider stuff like this -- that's why the city of Chicago is down in the subways cehcking the tunnels for damage, why a piece of concrete split up on the Edens - and we'll see what else yet. And this was 5.4 - we'll see if any more follow. I was in San Diego in the mid 80's when a 6.1 hit in Englewood California - a few hundred miles away when water mains broke. A 6.4 let's say is 10 times stronger. glad we put the school within the blast zone of 50 - 57 years old gas mains -- when we had other options. I hope the mocking that Arch has taken from some will now stop, but I doubt it. Let me ask everyone this question. When I bought my house I had earthquake insurance addd for this exact reason. It was $4 per year - so the cost was very minimal, and I viewed it as protection against foundation damage from a quake in the Southern Illinois region. 18 months ago Allstate STOPPED covering this area - ( and that same insurance was over $80/year -- why do you think that is ? THERE IS A REASON FOR THE ILLINOIS BUILD SMART PROGRAM - this morning is a remider of the reason. |
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Post by doctorwho on Apr 18, 2008 6:12:50 GMT -6
Lulubelle Re: Pictures of the recommended AME Metea Site « Result #19 on Jan 22, 2008, 5:16pm Now we're saying this is a bad site in case there's an earthquake? What if we have locusts...or frogs? C'mon...there IS no perfect site...certainly not. But you have to weigh the possibility of worst case scenario against the probability of it ever happening. And as far as the earthquake of '87...I won a t-shirt on Z-95 with Barsky in the morning for calling in and pretending I was in the earthquake because *no one* really felt a thing. Magneto Re: Pictures of the recommended AME Metea Site « Result #21 on Jan 22, 2008, 3:11pm » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From what I know if we have an earthquake around here, it's going to be a biggie. It will not matter where anything is, it going to be bad. Gatordog response Re: Pictures of the recommended AME Metea Site « Result #24 on Jan 22, 2008, 2:37pm » Quote: Interesting to note. California has a regulation that says no part of a school can be built within 1500 feet of the easement of a Natural Gas pipeline, above or underground. www.cde.ca.gov/ls/fa/sf/documents/sfpdpipesurv.docAnd they have to do risk assessments for those within 1500 feet that local educational agencies wish to pursue. Has any such risk assessment been done for this site because by the map it looks within 1500 feet. One can argue that it is CA and not IL, but safety knows no boundaries. I wonder if there is a federal regulation regarding distances as well. Thanks, arch, for some useful info here. I wonder: how much of these Calif pipe line regulations is driven by earthquake safety? California has special requirements for many things I understand (ex building codes). Seismic loads are big deal on pipelines. I suspect the purpose of this regulation is part of their earthquake issues. |
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Post by fryfox on Apr 18, 2008 6:13:31 GMT -6
I'm so glad you wrote this - I felt it too. I woke up and felt like I was on a boat - like things were rolling side to side. Totally bizarre. The thought entered my mind that it felt like an earthquake but I thought I must be dreaming. So strange.
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Post by kimmie on Apr 18, 2008 6:16:35 GMT -6
That was weird, woke us all up, the dog was crying during the night.
Well I hope they are checking out those pipelines TODAY. Arch you have ESP about the pipelines!
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Post by doctorwho on Apr 18, 2008 6:16:46 GMT -6
The insurance companies obviosuly far smarter than us --:
okay Jan 2006 , April 2008 -- next one ? size ?
Illinois Earthquake Rattles Insurers
January 4, 2006
Natural Disasters
A minor earthquake hit a small town in southern Illinois, jangling the nerves of insurance companies still reeling from Hurricanes Katrina and Rita. A major fault line runs through the Midwest and experts disagree about whether a major earthquake is likely there.
The quake struck yesterday at 3:48 p.m. and registered magnitude 3.6, according to the National Earthquake Information Center in Denver. The center of the earthquake was near Equality, Ill., which is about 120 miles southeast of St. Louis. No damage was reported.
Three of the most powerful earthquakes in history, all measuring over magnitude 8, struck the region in the winter of 1811-12, leveling virtually every home within 250 miles of the New Madrid fault line. Damage was reported as far away as Charleston, South Carolina, and Washington, D.C.
To this day, the area has more earthquakes than any other part of the United States east of the Rocky Mountains.
Some insurance companies, including Safeco, have stopped writing earthquake coverage in Illinois and Missouri because of fears that the New Madrid fault is likely to become active.
Few homeowners in the Midwest have earthquake insurance. In Missouri less than 50 percent of homeowners near the fault line purchase the coverage.
Insurance Journal recently reported that experts disagree about the dangers of a major earthquake along New Madrid. A recent study by the University of Memphis indicated the the fault was active, while Purdue University experts downplayed the study saying that fault is not active or a threat.
In 1811, the central Mississippi Valley was sparsely populated. Today, the region is home to millions of people, including those in the cities of St. Louis, Missouri, and Memphis, Tennessee.
Adding to the danger, most structures in the region are not built to withstand earthquake shaking, as they have been in California and Japan, where earthquakes are more frequent but generally affect a smaller area.
Strong earthquakes in the New Madrid seismic zone are "certain" to occur in the future, according to the United States Geological Survey.
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Post by JB on Apr 18, 2008 6:22:20 GMT -6
It woke up me and my husband. I could feel the house shaking. Then I thought of Arch and pipelines. Yeah, woke me up - as the front windows in the house wouldn't stop creaking and I thought a thunderstorm was rolling in ith igh winds- also my wife has this CHinese cabinet on her dresser and the metal lock pieces kepy clicking for like 20 seconds - couldn't stop them. SO -- waiting for the posts from some posters who were quoting the odds of anything like this happening here, ...... THERE IS A REASON FOR THE ILLINOIS BUILD SMART PROGRAM - this morning is a remider of the reason. That's just it - "odds". Tiny increments in the odds. Failures aren't always single point, they're usually a chain of unforseen (or ignored) events. |
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Post by JB on Apr 18, 2008 6:31:40 GMT -6
That was weird, woke us all up, the dog was crying during the night. Well I hope they are checking out those pipelines TODAY. Arch you have ESP about the pipelines! Not ESP - due dilligence requires you look for potential problems, not discount them. We did that all the time in the chemical industry - you anticipate all failure modes, and combinations of failure modes, and design accordingly. |
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Post by rural on Apr 18, 2008 6:48:41 GMT -6
Okay, since nobody else has, I'll be the first. I slept through it, but I read the news reports. I even went online to find other news articles. No reports of exploding gaslines as a result of this earthquake. Hasn't been one like it since 1968. Still not worried. Apparently, the pipelines are built to withstand this type of thing, but please update me if you find anything that refutes this about West Salem, Illinois.
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