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Post by Arch on Apr 25, 2008 19:06:57 GMT -6
Sorry JB, a buzzword phrase just caught my radar... 'district disintegration'
Economic? Racial? What is meant by this?
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Post by JB on Apr 25, 2008 19:26:15 GMT -6
Sorry JB, a buzzword phrase just caught my radar... 'district disintegration' Economic? Racial? What is meant by this? Sorry Arch, just a Friday night rant since I'm still working  I meant disintegration as in "falling apart at the seams". The level of SB distrust is higher than I've ever seen it, and it's difficult to have discussions with anyone without getting suspicious of their motives. I guess it's the opposite of Sleepless' Unity post. |
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Post by rural on Apr 25, 2008 19:52:53 GMT -6
Being stuck at work until almost 7:30 on a Friday night would make anyone cranky.
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Post by JB on Apr 25, 2008 20:00:04 GMT -6
Being stuck at work until almost 7:30 on a Friday night would make anyone cranky. 8:30 - remember the clock on the board is off. Miller Time ;D |
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Post by JB on Apr 25, 2008 20:05:39 GMT -6
Sorry JB, a buzzword phrase just caught my radar... Didn't you mean DRADIS ? ;D |
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Post by Arch on Apr 25, 2008 20:23:05 GMT -6
Ok, my bad.. brain read/interpreted that wrong.
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Post by WeBe204 on Apr 25, 2008 20:30:36 GMT -6
Sorry JB, a buzzword phrase just caught my radar... Didn't you mean DRADIS ? ;D Sure, sure.. It is not fun until we pick on WEBE  I swear it is my keyboard. I am down with my Irish roots tonight. Guinness it is... |
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Post by doctorwho on Apr 25, 2008 20:41:41 GMT -6
Didn't you mean DRADIS ? ;D Sure, sure.. It is not fun until we pick on WEBE I swear it is my keyboard. I am down with my Irish roots tonight. Guinness it is... Now we're talking ( I am IBM - Irish By Marriage) and Guinness my drink of choice -- sharing with a buddy of mine tonight:  |
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Post by player on Apr 25, 2008 20:53:06 GMT -6
Player, I appreciate your participation and input. I am of the same mindset that the net result is going to be Eola or nothing because the SB does not want BB and has tried everything since the verdict to avoid it. If I was wrong on that, the Brodie trust would not have filed a suit because we would have just bought the land and broke ground in October. The question of where will we get the $$ for the rest is a red herring. The reason it is a red herring is because it is the same source where we will get money from to pay the Brodie and Brach verdict awards if we go to court. Yes, us.. the taxpayer. We passed a referendum when it was intended to be at BB. Another referendum for the difference doesn't amount to much and it would be above board and honk off a lot less people in the district. Since the SB has sown the seeds of deceit and distrust with putting out so much information that has been found to be untrue, there is an air of deceit that looms over the Eola land in addition to site hazards; some of which are perceived and some are very very real. You could use OP funds to bridge the differenece, which is $3MM in 2010 - see the SB land "analysis" used to push '09 AME. Any legal fees get passed directly to us - they can raise our rates up to the tax cap, if they like, to pay legal fees. To them, it's free money, or at least they act that way. Let's face it - the only reason they're hell-bent for 2009 is NCLB, and no trivial matters such as safety, legal costs, operation costs, or district disintegration is going to stand in their way. JB: I'm not convinced its NCLB thats pushing the 2009 date. I'm not saying what is pushing it, as now other board members have indicated that the 2009 date is critical for MS space and not HS space, and so I'll wait on that explanation. NCLB, IMHO, is a ridiculous program - but I won't get started on that. From what I can tell, WVHS flunked NCLB due to not meeting performance requirements in some small sections of minorities, not their overall scores. Regardless of who they move into WVHS from NVHS, that problem ain't going away. Moving MS's and ES's around in the feeder system to the HS's will still change nothing for these underperforming groups. The only way to "hide" the problem is to break up these minorities groups in WV, and spread them evenly among the district HS's, and even that would work only if the same minorities groups were making the grade comfortably in the other HS's. So I dont believe the NCLB issue can be solved by building another HS at Eola or BB. We'll have to tackle it head on where it is. Am I missing something? Arch: I know I owe you my math on BB vs Eola..... soon I hope... Cheers. |
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Post by fence on Apr 25, 2008 20:58:37 GMT -6
Well, this is about as much fun as physics class  My issue like others have already mentioned is that the MGEN site choice was poor from a perception and PR perspective. It was destined to create controversy, especially after the SB themselves publicly ruled it out. As for BB, just call it for the disaster that it is. $8M in damages or $20M or $80M is irrelevant to me - wasting any number of millions in tax dollars is just wrong. There is no getting past that for me as I pay my tax bill and watch my home value plummet and fight with each other over the contract we just signed for the next piece of property. It is unfair, irresponsible, and inexcusable that we are entering in to a land contract with this hanging over our heads. Literally wasting what amounts to $1,000 per student on the low end to pay damages to BB because we were stupid is just enough to make sick. Imagine what could have been done with that money. It is disgraceful. Alright, that's enough. I don't think that AME is the problem or that another piece of property is the answer. I think we need to concede that we've made a mess, stop, and take time to reevaluate, and that means thinking about whether or not we really need to build the school at all, considering enrollment, cost of damages, the extra help WV needs, and track record of poor decision making and execution. It's like what they say to addicts when they're on a road they don't want to be on - stop and do the opposite. |
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Post by doctorwho on Apr 25, 2008 20:58:54 GMT -6
You could use OP funds to bridge the differenece, which is $3MM in 2010 - see the SB land "analysis" used to push '09 AME. Any legal fees get passed directly to us - they can raise our rates up to the tax cap, if they like, to pay legal fees. To them, it's free money, or at least they act that way. Let's face it - the only reason they're hell-bent for 2009 is NCLB, and no trivial matters such as safety, legal costs, operation costs, or district disintegration is going to stand in their way. JB: I'm not convinced its NCLB thats pushing the 2009 date. I'm not saying what is pushing it, as now other board members have indicated that the 2009 date is critical for MS space and not HS space, and so I'll wait on that explanation. NCLB, IMHO, is a ridiculous program - but I won't get started on that. From what I can tell, WVHS flunked NCLB due to not meeting performance requirements in some small sections of minorities, not their overall scores. Regardless of who they move into WVHS from NVHS, that problem ain't going away. Moving MS's and ES's around in the feeder system to the HS's will still change nothing for these underperforming groups. The only way to "hide" the problem is to break up these minorities groups in WV, and spread them evenly among the district HS's, and even that would work only if the same minorities groups were making the grade comfortably in the other HS's. So I dont believe the NCLB issue can be solved by building another HS at Eola or BB. We'll have to tackle it head on where it is. Am I missing something? Arch: I know I owe you my math on BB vs Eola..... soon I hope... Cheers. Not saying the MS's are not crowded- but after 19 years in this district, this is far from the first time- so I fail to see 2009 drop dead. ( also word started flowing out again about split shifts until they realized no one was going to buy it this time - so not that I trust much that comes from them at this point- but I don't believe MS attendance is driving 2009) Here's why: Population stats - grades 6 - 8 from the SB March 4, 2008 financial meeting ( their numbers - no spin )- Peak for MS is 7026 -- in 2008 2009- this drops 91 kids to 6935 2010 - 6879 2011 - 6961 2012 - 7113 2013 - 6987 so if someone wanted to make a case for a say 2012 opening being critical it would hold a little more water and player I agree that the movement to MV @ AME does not fix the problem - but after changing principals ( one requirement after x # failures )- and then being able to move 3 more ES' feeders than if MV @ BB, it changes a significant proportional of the school- ask to reset the NCLB time clock before anyone is asked to resign. And I also agree NCLB far from perfect ( better than zero monitoring of progress but needs some common sense added also ) - |
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Post by player on Apr 25, 2008 21:03:01 GMT -6
Well, this is about as much fun as physics class .... Glad to hear from another fan of physics! ;D |
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Post by player on Apr 25, 2008 21:09:01 GMT -6
doctorwho: What are projected numbers for HS? Would you happen to have those handy? Somehow my recollection was that that was significantly higher than ~7000. I could be wrong. Don't NV and MV have that combined capacity now?
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Post by fence on Apr 25, 2008 21:09:52 GMT -6
Oh, and if the SB says that 2009 is necessary because of crowding at the middle schools that is a gross overstatement and they can spare me. The scope of middle school crowding is very limited and solving that by building a $150M HS so we can convert a freshman center to a MS is HIlarious.
It won't end the world if we have for one more year the same crowded middle schools we've had for the past 5. And how are the scores at the MS with portables? Is it compromising the education process? I think not. My son thinks they're fun and they break up the day. So there you go.
Love and kisses, a Scullen parent
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Post by player on Apr 25, 2008 21:11:10 GMT -6
doctorwho: Interesting observation on the clock resetting for NCLB - time for me to do some more research.
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I swear it is my keyboard. I am down with my Irish roots tonight. Guinness it is...
