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Post by rew on May 3, 2008 20:44:50 GMT -6
How about this, NSFOC agrees to drop the lawsuit if the entire SB resigns effective July 1. A citizens committee selects a new board.
All the minutes of the last three years of executive sessions is released and all tapes of executive sessions as well. Every memo, communication, notes on BB/ AME/ etc is made public and a citizen review board is given complete access to study docs, interview, find out facts and make public their findings.
What does this accomplish? FACTS = HONESTY = FRESH START = RENEWED TRUST = MOVING FORWARD AS A COMMUNITY
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Post by macy on May 3, 2008 20:47:48 GMT -6
How about this, NSFOC agrees to drop the lawsuit if the entire SB resigns effective July 1. A citizens committee selects a new board. All the minutes of the last three years of executive sessions is released and all tapes of executive sessions as well. Every memo, communication, notes on BB/ AME/ etc is made public and a citizen review board is given complete access to study docs, interview, find out facts and make public their findings. What does this accomplish? FACTS = HONESTY = FRESH START = RENEWED TRUST = MOVING FORWARD AS A COMMUNITY Rew, I like this idea! Except, I would not expect CV to resign. Despite the fact I've disagreed with her ideas on the need for a third high school, she has been honest. I see no need for her to resign. |
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Post by whiteeaglewarrior on May 3, 2008 20:52:47 GMT -6
If you separated it into NV/WV, most likely one of the districts would pick up an elementary school or two, then the larger district could build the second high school. That would deal with the immediate and projected overcrowding. This decision would have to be made with state approval, I assume. Since the current reality is that they will be building MV at Eola (as it seems), it would be likely that a few schools would have to move into the WV/MV district. so you are assuming WV - MV is one district ? What about NV-WV one district - and MV - the new school- the new district also. This is without the new HS. |
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Post by steckmom on May 4, 2008 0:43:18 GMT -6
How about this, NSFOC agrees to drop the lawsuit if the entire SB resigns effective July 1. A citizens committee selects a new board. All the minutes of the last three years of executive sessions is released and all tapes of executive sessions as well. Every memo, communication, notes on BB/ AME/ etc is made public and a citizen review board is given complete access to study docs, interview, find out facts and make public their findings. What does this accomplish? FACTS = HONESTY = FRESH START = RENEWED TRUST = MOVING FORWARD AS A COMMUNITY I like the idea or releasing all the info and getting rid of the current board. I assume though that this would have to include stopping construction at Eola--doesn't that mean that NSFOC wins? Also, who would decide who was on the citizens committee? The SB and the NSFOC? I think I'd file my own lawsuit against both. |
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Post by rew on May 4, 2008 4:30:54 GMT -6
Perhaps each MS attendance area sends two reps?? That would be twelve people.
Yes. I suppose you would have to delay constrruction while the info came out and the new board would have to have the ability to act on that info and move forward as it saw fit.
If the school gets built at Eola in 2010, is that NSFOC winning?
I would like to see " truth, justice and the American Way " win??
ETA - Macy, I think the entire board has to be relieved of their duties. That would not preclude ANY of them from resubmitting their application to be selected by the citizen's committee to be a part of the new board. It would be up to the selection board to decide if ANY of them should be allowed to serve going forward.
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Post by southsidemom on May 4, 2008 8:09:14 GMT -6
How about this, NSFOC agrees to drop the lawsuit if the entire SB resigns effective July 1. A citizens committee selects a new board. All the minutes of the last three years of executive sessions is released and all tapes of executive sessions as well. Every memo, communication, notes on BB/ AME/ etc is made public and a citizen review board is given complete access to study docs, interview, find out facts and make public their findings. What does this accomplish? FACTS = HONESTY = FRESH START = RENEWED TRUST = MOVING FORWARD AS A COMMUNITY Rew, I like this idea! Except, I would not expect CV to resign. Despite the fact I've disagreed with her ideas on the need for a third high school, she has been honest. I see no need for her to resign. Agree 100%. JS seems above board too ( with exception of the Owen split) but appears at times a bit "defeated in attitude". If you know going in that the majority is going to back bad decisions that is what you often begin to see on a board. The rest need to go......AT should have never been sitting up there but M2 needs his "Yes Lacky".  |
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Post by doctorwho on May 4, 2008 8:24:45 GMT -6
How about this, NSFOC agrees to drop the lawsuit if the entire SB resigns effective July 1. A citizens committee selects a new board. All the minutes of the last three years of executive sessions is released and all tapes of executive sessions as well. Every memo, communication, notes on BB/ AME/ etc is made public and a citizen review board is given complete access to study docs, interview, find out facts and make public their findings. What does this accomplish? FACTS = HONESTY = FRESH START = RENEWED TRUST = MOVING FORWARD AS A COMMUNITY I like the idea or releasing all the info and getting rid of the current board. I assume though that this would have to include stopping construction at Eola--doesn't that mean that NSFOC wins? Also, who would decide who was on the citizens committee? The SB and the NSFOC? I think I'd file my own lawsuit against both. that is a good question on selection. At one time I would have said start with the PTSA's - but a few of them have chosen to be personal extensions for some SB members - so that would be out also. |
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Post by doctorwho on May 4, 2008 8:28:42 GMT -6
Perhaps each MS attendance area sends two reps?? That would be twelve people. Yes. I suppose you would have to delay constrruction while the info came out and the new board would have to have the ability to act on that info and move forward as it saw fit. If the school gets built at Eola in 2010, is that NSFOC winning? I would like to see " truth, justice and the American Way " win?? ETA - Macy, I think the entire board has to be relieved of their duties. That would not preclude ANY of them from resubmitting their application to be selected by the citizen's committee to be a part of the new board. It would be up to the selection board to decide if ANY of them should be allowed to serve going forward. " If the school gets built at Eola in 2010, is that NSFOC winning?" for some it is -- you know BB or nothing ( which isn't true because it also includes re voting the ref) - is very very bad ---- but 2009 @ Eola or nothing is very very good. You must have missed the memo. (likely on the wrong distribution list) And the population results released do not support the end of the world scenarios for 09 vs 10. Why bother to get it right though when what the 'majority ( or so they tell us) wants is more important. ? |
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Post by player on May 4, 2008 8:37:07 GMT -6
Perhaps each MS attendance area sends two reps?? That would be twelve people. Yes. I suppose you would have to delay constrruction while the info came out and the new board would have to have the ability to act on that info and move forward as it saw fit. If the school gets built at Eola in 2010, is that NSFOC winning? I would like to see " truth, justice and the American Way " win?? ETA - Macy, I think the entire board has to be relieved of their duties. That would not preclude ANY of them from resubmitting their application to be selected by the citizen's committee to be a part of the new board. It would be up to the selection board to decide if ANY of them should be allowed to serve going forward. " If the school gets built at Eola in 2010, is that NSFOC winning?" for some it is -- you know BB or nothing ( which isn't true because it also includes re voting the ref) - is very very bad ---- but 2009 @ Eola or nothing is very very good. You must have missed the memo. (likely on the wrong distribution list) And the population results released do not support the end of the world scenarios for 09 vs 10. Why bother to get it right though when what the 'majority ( or so they tell us) wants is more important. ? doctorwho: This is something I have been struggling with. If MVHS/Eola dies, what do you think will address the space problems? Cheers. |
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Post by friend on May 4, 2008 8:51:59 GMT -6
Rew, I like this idea! Except, I would not expect CV to resign. Despite the fact I've disagreed with her ideas on the need for a third high school, she has been honest. I see no need for her to resign. Agree 100%. JS seems above board too ( with exception of the Owen split) but appears at times a bit "defeated in attitude". If you know going in that the majority is going to back bad decisions that is what you often begin to see on a board. The rest need to go......AT should have never been sitting up there but M2 needs his "Yes Lacky". I would feel completely different about the Owen split if JS had least TRIED to represent both Owen "East" AND "West." The fact that there was NO REPRESENTATION for Owen "West" speaks VOLUMES! Yes. Sometimes hard decisions have to made that we will not like. I get it. But the fact remains, when you live in an area, that went thorugh a boundary process 6 years ago and people were not thrilled, but embraced it and moved on. To be told AGAIN that you will be split, turnned into a miniority at MS and sent to the furthest HS WITHOUT ANY DISCUSSION is just hard to swallow! I ask you? How fair is that? By the SB not discussing Owen "West" sends me a message loud and clear. Silence speaks volumes! |
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Post by doctorwho on May 4, 2008 9:05:29 GMT -6
" If the school gets built at Eola in 2010, is that NSFOC winning?" for some it is -- you know BB or nothing ( which isn't true because it also includes re voting the ref) - is very very bad ---- but 2009 @ Eola or nothing is very very good. You must have missed the memo. (likely on the wrong distribution list) And the population results released do not support the end of the world scenarios for 09 vs 10. Why bother to get it right though when what the 'majority ( or so they tell us) wants is more important. ? doctorwho: This is something I have been struggling with. If MVHS/Eola dies, what do you think will address the space problems? Cheers. 1st and foremost let me be clear once again, I am still pro 3rd HS - but do I think it needs review -IF we have to make another choice - a lot of the premise was based on 10,400 students - we are now looking @ 8931 tops in 6 years by the SB's own estimates. Also the MS population tops out this fall - again their numbers. Here would be my take IF we have to go that path -- ( and that IF could be if we lose our shirts to BB in court) 1/ there was a bid the SB received a few years ago to add 600 seats to NV ( as well as fix the hallway issues) - cost was in $13M range. 2/ I believe that WVHS needs it's own Frontier Campus type set up with COD. The current one is a majority NVHS students and I believe proximity has something to do with that ( what in God's name will the kids at MV do then ? 3/ I absolutely believe we need a 7th MS regradless - cost is much less than a HS - as is footprint - plenty more options for that - let WVHS keep the freshman campus. Last pricetag I saw ( and I am sure someone will corrct me if I am wrong) was $25-$30 M ) Remember per Howie Crouse a few years back 8400 was the number our High Schools could easily handle -- not capacity -- not 85% capacity - but the number they were comfortable with. Current estimate say 8931 is tops... adding the 600 seats and another Frontier campus ( if COD was willing) - seems to cover. There is a long term risk with the Frontier set up - acknowledged. Again, still looking at 3rd HS - using WVHS for 7th MS - but for once I'd like to see plans for ' what if' |
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Post by researching on May 4, 2008 10:07:49 GMT -6
doctorwho: This is something I have been struggling with. If MVHS/Eola dies, what do you think will address the space problems? Cheers. 1st and foremost let me be clear once again, I am still pro 3rd HS - but do I think it needs review -IF we have to make another choice - a lot of the premise was based on 10,400 students - we are now looking @ 8931 tops in 6 years by the SB's own estimates. Also the MS population tops out this fall - again their numbers. Here would be my take IF we have to go that path -- ( and that IF could be if we lose our shirts to BB in court) 1/ there was a bid the SB received a few years ago to add 600 seats to NV ( as well as fix the hallway issues) - cost was in $13M range. 2/ I believe that WVHS needs it's own Frontier Campus type set up with COD. The current one is a majority NVHS students and I believe proximity has something to do with that ( what in God's name will the kids at MV do then ? 3/ I absolutely believe we need a 7th MS regradless - cost is much less than a HS - as is footprint - plenty more options for that - let WVHS keep the freshman campus. Last pricetag I saw ( and I am sure someone will corrct me if I am wrong) was $25-$30 M ) Remember per Howie Crouse a few years back 8400 was the number our High Schools could easily handle -- not capacity -- not 85% capacity - but the number they were comfortable with. Current estimate say 8931 is tops... adding the 600 seats and another Frontier campus ( if COD was willing) - seems to cover. There is a long term risk with the Frontier set up - acknowledged. Again, still looking at 3rd HS - using WVHS for 7th MS - but for once I'd like to see plans for ' what if' I couldn't have said it better! However, this is the route I would take right now. IMO it is a much more financially responsible approach and it still addresses the need. Thanks Doc! |
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Post by researching on May 4, 2008 10:11:57 GMT -6
Agree 100%. JS seems above board too ( with exception of the Owen split) but appears at times a bit "defeated in attitude". If you know going in that the majority is going to back bad decisions that is what you often begin to see on a board. The rest need to go......AT should have never been sitting up there but M2 needs his "Yes Lacky". I would feel completely different about the Owen split if JS had least TRIED to represent both Owen "East" AND "West." The fact that there was NO REPRESENTATION for Owen "West" speaks VOLUMES! Yes. Sometimes hard decisions have to made that we will not like. I get it. But the fact remains, when you live in an area, that went thorugh a boundary process 6 years ago and people were not thrilled, but embraced it and moved on. To be told AGAIN that you will be split, turnned into a miniority at MS and sent to the furthest HS WITHOUT ANY DISCUSSION is just hard to swallow! I ask you? How fair is that? By the SB not discussing Owen "West" sends me a message loud and clear. Silence speaks volumes! I agree about the silence as well as JS. JS is not above reproach. Actually, everyone who continues to vote YES to these nincompoop ideas needs to get the boot. It seems like the majority of the SB are just the minion to the "evil genius" at the helm. |
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Post by friend on May 4, 2008 11:40:37 GMT -6
I have been for the 3rd HS all along and I still am. In fact, for as long as I have lived here, I have supported the SB decsions to open many ES, MS, NVHS and the freshman center concept. Remember the controversey over that issue? Like many of you out there, I have seen the SB in action for quite awhile. My area (Owen "West") in particular has been through many changes over the years. What have I learned from those changes? The number one thing I learned is that when you live in Dist. 204 NOBODY has claim or a right on a certain school. When boundaries were discussed for MV, I always knew in the back of my mind that there was a chance we could be sent there. Why you may ask? Though I would have perferred WV, I knew that I never had a claim to it because of the growth. With that said. I still do not like that way the SB handled Owen. In fact, I feel like they reopened old wounds and poured salt into them. The whole Owen thing could have been handled so much better.
What has gotten us to this point? IMHO, it is the lack communication/dialouge with the community. What is left for people to do when they see the SB rush form deal to deal and feel that they can't be herad? I am not apart of any group out there. Just a parent who has watched this SD grow and grow. I just shake my head.
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Post by researching on May 4, 2008 12:11:33 GMT -6
I have been for the 3rd HS all along and I still am. In fact, for as long as I have lived here, I have supported the SB decsions to open many ES, MS, NVHS and the freshman center concept. Remember the controversey over that issue? Like many of you out there, I have seen the SB in action for quite awhile. My area (Owen "West") in particular has been through many changes over the years. What have I learned from those changes? The number one thing I learned is that when you live in Dist. 204 NOBODY has claim or a right on a certain school. When boundaries were discussed for MV, I always knew in the back of my mind that there was a chance we could be sent there. Why you may ask? Though I would have perferred WV, I knew that I never had a claim to it because of the growth. With that said. I still do not like that way the SB handled Owen. In fact, I feel like they reopened old wounds and poured salt into them. The whole Owen thing could have been handled so much better. What has gotten us to this point? IMHO, it is the lack communication/dialouge with the community. What is left for people to do when they see the SB rush form deal to deal and feel that they can't be herad? I am not apart of any group out there. Just a parent who has watched this SD grow and grow. I just shake my head. Again, I agree with you. I too have been in the district a long time and supported the Freshmen Centers. It was after that when I started to loose faith in their abilities. I agree that NOBODY can claim a right to a certain school. That includes SB members and Administrators. IMO the practices of deciding who goes where should be standardized and followed by all. That is not the case here. If they had used the same standards for all I don't think as many people would be so upset. For me the issue runs much deeper as it involves the health and well being of our students/staff so I guess I should be somewhat thankful for the SB/Admin's mistakes. It is the ridiculously unfair and shortsighted decisions by the SB that have brought us to where we are now. Their bias is so obvious it's almost funny. |
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