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Post by player on May 4, 2008 13:07:18 GMT -6
doctorwho: This is something I have been struggling with. If MVHS/Eola dies, what do you think will address the space problems? Cheers. 1st and foremost let me be clear once again, I am still pro 3rd HS - but do I think it needs review -IF we have to make another choice - a lot of the premise was based on 10,400 students - we are now looking @ 8931 tops in 6 years by the SB's own estimates. Also the MS population tops out this fall - again their numbers. Here would be my take IF we have to go that path -- ( and that IF could be if we lose our shirts to BB in court) 1/ there was a bid the SB received a few years ago to add 600 seats to NV ( as well as fix the hallway issues) - cost was in $13M range. 2/ I believe that WVHS needs it's own Frontier Campus type set up with COD. The current one is a majority NVHS students and I believe proximity has something to do with that ( what in God's name will the kids at MV do then ? 3/ I absolutely believe we need a 7th MS regradless - cost is much less than a HS - as is footprint - plenty more options for that - let WVHS keep the freshman campus. Last pricetag I saw ( and I am sure someone will corrct me if I am wrong) was $25-$30 M ) Remember per Howie Crouse a few years back 8400 was the number our High Schools could easily handle -- not capacity -- not 85% capacity - but the number they were comfortable with. Current estimate say 8931 is tops... adding the 600 seats and another Frontier campus ( if COD was willing) - seems to cover. There is a long term risk with the Frontier set up - acknowledged. Again, still looking at 3rd HS - using WVHS for 7th MS - but for once I'd like to see plans for ' what if' doctorwho: Thanks! That is an excellent summary of a viable plan - exactly what I was seeking. I am hoping the litigation will sort itself out (Eola or bust) one way or the other soon, so there is enough time to execute on the contingency if needed. Cheers. |
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Post by 204parent on May 4, 2008 13:50:57 GMT -6
Arch: that is a very intersting idea - installing ACVs at each end of the third of a mile of pipeline bordering the site, and changing the pipes. Have you discussed this in anther thread before? That seems to be something well worth investigating. Cheers. I attempted to when someone said they are safe because they have ACV on the pipelines. I asked where they are and how close are they on both sides of the property because both directions will vent and release pressure back to the valves. The statute reads that as a HCA, each point along the pipeline must be within 2.5 miles of a valve. That really means they can be up to 5 miles apart from each other. The amount of gas that exists at 700PSI for 700 feet (the approximate length of the property) compared to the volume of gas that exists over 5 miles of pipes (the upper limit of the legal requirement for a HCA) or 26,400 feet is a HUGE difference. If the sh!t hits the fan, venting 700 feet of gas is far better than venting 26,400 feet of gas. We're talking about cutting the worst case scenerio potential to 1/37th what it might be right now. Still, I would like to know exactly where (on both sides of the property) the valves are located and the distance between them today. Here's an opportunity to take the wind out of the sails of people concerned about pipeline safety and actually MAKE A DIFFERENCE ABOUT THE REAL SAFETY. Will they do it? It's not a HCA at the moment, but will be when we put a school there so there exists the possibility that the pipeline companies have to do something about it anyway because the distance requirements are tighter for HCAs than areas that are not HCA. If Kinder Morgan is required to install additional ACV's to comply with this code, are they required to pay for them? Does the district have to pay for these valves since we are the ones creating the HCA? How much will this cost? |
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Post by Arch on May 4, 2008 15:17:08 GMT -6
I attempted to when someone said they are safe because they have ACV on the pipelines. I asked where they are and how close are they on both sides of the property because both directions will vent and release pressure back to the valves. The statute reads that as a HCA, each point along the pipeline must be within 2.5 miles of a valve. That really means they can be up to 5 miles apart from each other. The amount of gas that exists at 700PSI for 700 feet (the approximate length of the property) compared to the volume of gas that exists over 5 miles of pipes (the upper limit of the legal requirement for a HCA) or 26,400 feet is a HUGE difference. If the sh!t hits the fan, venting 700 feet of gas is far better than venting 26,400 feet of gas. We're talking about cutting the worst case scenerio potential to 1/37th what it might be right now. Still, I would like to know exactly where (on both sides of the property) the valves are located and the distance between them today. Here's an opportunity to take the wind out of the sails of people concerned about pipeline safety and actually MAKE A DIFFERENCE ABOUT THE REAL SAFETY. Will they do it? It's not a HCA at the moment, but will be when we put a school there so there exists the possibility that the pipeline companies have to do something about it anyway because the distance requirements are tighter for HCAs than areas that are not HCA. If Kinder Morgan is required to install additional ACV's to comply with this code, are they required to pay for them? Does the district have to pay for these valves since we are the ones creating the HCA? How much will this cost? Uncertain who bears the cost from this. |
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Post by southsidemom on May 4, 2008 15:40:28 GMT -6
Agree 100%. JS seems above board too ( with exception of the Owen split) but appears at times a bit "defeated in attitude". If you know going in that the majority is going to back bad decisions that is what you often begin to see on a board. The rest need to go......AT should have never been sitting up there but M2 needs his "Yes Lacky".  I would feel completely different about the Owen split if JS had least TRIED to represent both Owen "East" AND "West." The fact that there was NO REPRESENTATION for Owen "West" speaks VOLUMES! Yes. Sometimes hard decisions have to made that we will not like. I get it. But the fact remains, when you live in an area, that went thorugh a boundary process 6 years ago and people were not thrilled, but embraced it and moved on. To be told AGAIN that you will be split, turnned into a miniority at MS and sent to the furthest HS WITHOUT ANY DISCUSSION is just hard to swallow! I ask you? How fair is that? By the SB not discussing Owen "West" sends me a message loud and clear. Silence speaks volumes! I agree...but hey do you really think that a SB member is going to not look out for their own neighborhood....BG tried by stating WE would attend with "like" communities but there was no way for him to keep WE at NV.....if there was he would have tried and the SB would have backed it. |
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Post by player on May 4, 2008 16:03:26 GMT -6
If Kinder Morgan is required to install additional ACV's to comply with this code, are they required to pay for them? Does the district have to pay for these valves since we are the ones creating the HCA? How much will this cost? Uncertain who bears the cost from this. Arch: Yes. But I think the first step is to get Kinder Mogan to determine the cost, so everyone know what that is. I think some legislative pressure and community pressure to do a feasibility study for ACV/pipe segment replacement may work. Maybe Linda Holmes can get involved again ?  I have to do some research make sure, but there are some state and federal funds usually available for remediation and pipeline safety, and the fact that this will change the occupancy of the parcel can be used as a trigger event, and we get Kinder Morgan and the government to fork the cash out under pessure from district and lawmakers. This may be a long shot, but worth trying. But first, lets see what it costs. Cheers. |
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Post by SouthernWolf on May 9, 2008 15:43:09 GMT -6
Thanks Arch
For inviting me to this new Blogging site. I am now signed up. One question; Why the heck wouldnt we execute on the ACV option before/during foundation to help mitigate potential future risk? Its hard for me to imagine why anyone (including all 7 board memebers) would not be for this? Could it be due to speed above all else and these safety measure will take too muuch time in terms of an Aug 2009 opening? It definately should not be about the money!! If we were worried about that, we wouldnt be budgeting in BB legal fees etc. into the project.
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Post by doctorwho on May 9, 2008 15:55:38 GMT -6
Thanks Arch For inviting me to this new Blogging site. I am now signed up. One question; Why the heck wouldnt we execute on the ACV option before/during foundation to help mitigate potential future risk? Its hard for me to imagine why anyone (including all 7 board memebers) would not be for this? Could it be due to speed above all else and these safety measure will take too muuch time in terms of an Aug 2009 opening? It definately should not be about the money!! If we were worried about that, we wouldnt be budgeting in BB legal fees etc. into the project. That is it - the speed factor is #1 right now. It doesn't matter what is unearthed on that site, the Ark of the Covenant, a stairway to Hell, Jimmy Hoffa or if Godzilla leaps from his sleep - they are hell bent on opening some form of a school building in August 2009. Who cares about construction going on, pipelines, no gym, no pool, no auditorium, likely limited parking, mud - dirt whatever, and a number of areas less than thrilled to be traversing the district to get there - as long as they can herd the kids under a roof, it will be 'open'. Looking at the attendance numbers - the drop dead critical nature of 2009 vs 2010 sure doesn't seem like it warrants this, but I am at a loss any more to make any sense of this headache. One day maybe it will all be clear as to what caused all of this to happen... |
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Post by SouthernWolf on May 9, 2008 16:43:39 GMT -6
Thanks DrWho
This whole thing frustrates me to no end on so many levels. I doubt we will ever get the full picture unless all information and exec meeting notes are made public at some point in the future.
I dont see much room for mediation (I hope I am wrong); but I plan on checking out that strand next.
Full Dislosure; I am an NSFOC supporter and I have been blogging at the Naperville Sun Blogs under my real name: Greg Forrest ever since Dr. Dash's "Entitlement" comments at the Feb SB meeting.
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Post by Arch on May 9, 2008 16:59:49 GMT -6
Welcome Sir,
I agree with you, I don't see any meeting in the middle unless they bulldoze Mejier and put the HS there. What have their sales been lately? (j/k)
2 opposed sides with their heels in the dirt. I look forward to seeing the dirty laundry, regardless of how embarrassing it ends up being.
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Post by rural on May 9, 2008 17:40:24 GMT -6
 Welcome, Fasttimes.  I would love to hear your version of a successful mediation session. In your opinion, where would be a comfortable middle ground for NSFOC and the District? ;D
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Post by Arch on May 9, 2008 17:44:23 GMT -6
 "Isn't it OUR money?" |
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Post by rural on May 9, 2008 18:10:08 GMT -6
Hey, Arch, I dare you to have a pizza delivered to the next board meeting!  |
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Post by Arch on May 9, 2008 18:22:29 GMT -6
Hey, Arch, I dare you to have a pizza delivered to the next board meeting! Your Address: 780 SHORELINE DR AURORA, IL 60504-6192 Here are the Domino's Pizza stores in your area. Call or click and place your order for hot, fresh, delicious Domino's Pizza! Your Delivery Stores Store 646 Frontenac Road #103 Aurora, IL 60504 Phone: 630-585-8888 Hours Su-Th 11:00am-11:00pm Fr-Sa 11:00am-12:00am Hell, I can even order it while sitting on my butt AT the meeting  |
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Post by slp on May 9, 2008 18:29:23 GMT -6
Hey, Arch, I dare you to have a pizza delivered to the next board meeting! that would be hilarious!! |
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Post by Arch on May 9, 2008 18:31:06 GMT -6
Should I email the board and find out what kinds they like?
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Welcome, Fasttimes. 
