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Post by proschool on Jun 3, 2007 8:54:35 GMT -6
From the Naperville Sun......
The perfect ending
Warriors cap undefeated season with state title
June 3, 2007
By PAUL LATOUR Staff Writer
A freshman was the star of the night. A sophomore got most of the attention all season. A junior made her mark at the most opportune time.
But make no mistake, Waubonsie Valley was a team dominated by its seniors.
That was apparent in the closing minutes of the Warriors' 4-0 win over Fremd in the Class AA girls soccer state championship Saturday night at Benedetti-Wehrli Stadium. As the clock ran down, the eight seniors were on the field while players on the bench stood and chanted, "Sen-iors! Sen-iors!"
» Click to enlarge image
Waubonsie Valley senior soccer players hold up the school's first state trophy in a team sport Saturday at North Central College. The Warriors finished 30-0-1, tying a state record for victories.
Terence Guider-Shaw / Staff photographer
» Click to enlarge image
Waubonsie Valley senior soccer players hold up the school's first state trophy in a team sport Saturday at North Central College. The Warriors finished 30-0-1, tying a state record for victories.
Terence Guider-Shaw / Staff photographer
HEROES' WELCOME
Waubonsie Valley will hold an assembly at 9 a.m. Tuesday in the school's main gym to celebrate the girls soccer team's state championship.
"They're a very free-spirited group," Waubonsie coach Julie Bergstrom said of the seniors. "They brought that free-spirit attitude to the field every time they played. You just knew they were going to bring it every game."
Still, it is freshman Vanessa DiBernardo who likely will be remembered the most simply because it's her name that is going into the IHSA record book. DiBernardo scored three goals, tying a Class AA championship game record set by Neuqua Valley's Michele Weissenhofer in 2005.
"It was a dream and winning state is the best thing that could ever happen to me right now," said DiBernardo, a midfielder who finished with a team-high 19 goals.
Sophomore Bri Rodriguez, a two-time coaches' all-state midfielder, had a goal and an assist to complete the scoring. Earlier in the day, junior Jessica Blake stepped to the forefront, scoring three goals of her own in Waubonsie's 3-1 semifinal win over Granite City.
While DiBernardo had the most impressive showing in the finale, the rest of the accolades can be shared equally throughout the team. The Warriors (30-0-1) tied a state record for wins in a season and ended on a 27-game winning streak, the fourth-longest in state history. In the process, they brought Waubonsie its first team state title in any sport.
"We worked so hard since we were freshmen and to come here as seniors and win it is ridiculous," senior forward Kylee Rodriguez said. "We always envisioned carrying around the trophy and everything. But we always knew there was a game to be played before we could do that."
This time that game was the final - and it turned out to be not much of a game at all. DiBernardo struck for two goals in the first half before capping her hat trick early in the second. Rodriguez finished it off with just under 20 minutes to play.
Waubonsie kept the Vikings (22-5) bottled up throughout, allowing only four shot attempts and only one on goalie Claire Hanold, who earned her 24th shutout.
"They're a phenomenal team," said Fremd coach Steve Keller, a 1990 Waubonsie graduate, whose team reached the final with a 2-1 shootout victory over Lincoln-Way Central earlier in the day. "They had everything going for them. The odds were against us and we knew that. The better team won today, but we have nothing to be ashamed of."
"With the clock draining the final two minutes of the season away - the final two minutes in the high school careers of Rodriguez, Kylie Andersen, Amanda Bardzinski, Diane Binder, Annie Lorenz, Meagan Lynch, Kaitlyn Rowsey and Christen Schuler - Schuler chased a ball past the Waubonsie end line.
She turned to her left and spun back toward the field as the goal kick was being set up. A voice from the record crowd of 3,272 fans called out to her by name.
Schuler took a few more steps before looking up, spotting the person in the crowd and flashing a bright smile that said as much as a smile could say - the Warriors had done it.
Contact Paul LaTour at platour@scn1.com or 630-416-5205.
Waubonsie Valley 4, Fremd 0
Waubonsie 2 2 --– 4
Fremd 0 0 –-- 0
First half - 1, Waubonsie, DiBernardo (Bostick), 28:38; 2, Waubonsie, DiBernardo (Lynch), 24:16.
Second half - 3, Waubonsie, DiBernardo (B. Rodriguez), 32:19; 4, Waubonsie, B. Rodriguez, 19:10.
Shots - Waubonsie 12, Fremd 4.
Saves - Hanold, Waubonsie (1); Bollman, Fremd (4).
Corner kicks - Waubonsie 7, Fremd 2.
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Post by movingforward on Jun 3, 2007 16:51:54 GMT -6
Congratulations WVHS!!!
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Post by harry on Jun 3, 2007 21:28:23 GMT -6
From the Naperville Sun...... The perfect ending Warriors cap undefeated season with state title June 3, 2007 By PAUL LATOUR Staff Writer A freshman was the star of the night. A sophomore got most of the attention all season. A junior made her mark at the most opportune time. But make no mistake, Waubonsie Valley was a team dominated by its seniors. That was apparent in the closing minutes of the Warriors' 4-0 win over Fremd in the Class AA girls soccer state championship Saturday night at Benedetti-Wehrli Stadium. As the clock ran down, the eight seniors were on the field while players on the bench stood and chanted, "Sen-iors! Sen-iors!" » Click to enlarge image Waubonsie Valley senior soccer players hold up the school's first state trophy in a team sport Saturday at North Central College. The Warriors finished 30-0-1, tying a state record for victories. Terence Guider-Shaw / Staff photographer » Click to enlarge image Waubonsie Valley senior soccer players hold up the school's first state trophy in a team sport Saturday at North Central College. The Warriors finished 30-0-1, tying a state record for victories. Terence Guider-Shaw / Staff photographer HEROES' WELCOME Waubonsie Valley will hold an assembly at 9 a.m. Tuesday in the school's main gym to celebrate the girls soccer team's state championship. "They're a very free-spirited group," Waubonsie coach Julie Bergstrom said of the seniors. "They brought that free-spirit attitude to the field every time they played. You just knew they were going to bring it every game." Still, it is freshman Vanessa DiBernardo who likely will be remembered the most simply because it's her name that is going into the IHSA record book. DiBernardo scored three goals, tying a Class AA championship game record set by Neuqua Valley's Michele Weissenhofer in 2005. "It was a dream and winning state is the best thing that could ever happen to me right now," said DiBernardo, a midfielder who finished with a team-high 19 goals. Sophomore Bri Rodriguez, a two-time coaches' all-state midfielder, had a goal and an assist to complete the scoring. Earlier in the day, junior Jessica Blake stepped to the forefront, scoring three goals of her own in Waubonsie's 3-1 semifinal win over Granite City. While DiBernardo had the most impressive showing in the finale, the rest of the accolades can be shared equally throughout the team. The Warriors (30-0-1) tied a state record for wins in a season and ended on a 27-game winning streak, the fourth-longest in state history. In the process, they brought Waubonsie its first team state title in any sport. "We worked so hard since we were freshmen and to come here as seniors and win it is ridiculous," senior forward Kylee Rodriguez said. "We always envisioned carrying around the trophy and everything. But we always knew there was a game to be played before we could do that." This time that game was the final - and it turned out to be not much of a game at all. DiBernardo struck for two goals in the first half before capping her hat trick early in the second. Rodriguez finished it off with just under 20 minutes to play. Waubonsie kept the Vikings (22-5) bottled up throughout, allowing only four shot attempts and only one on goalie Claire Hanold, who earned her 24th shutout. "They're a phenomenal team," said Fremd coach Steve Keller, a 1990 Waubonsie graduate, whose team reached the final with a 2-1 shootout victory over Lincoln-Way Central earlier in the day. "They had everything going for them. The odds were against us and we knew that. The better team won today, but we have nothing to be ashamed of." "With the clock draining the final two minutes of the season away - the final two minutes in the high school careers of Rodriguez, Kylie Andersen, Amanda Bardzinski, Diane Binder, Annie Lorenz, Meagan Lynch, Kaitlyn Rowsey and Christen Schuler - Schuler chased a ball past the Waubonsie end line. She turned to her left and spun back toward the field as the goal kick was being set up. A voice from the record crowd of 3,272 fans called out to her by name. Schuler took a few more steps before looking up, spotting the person in the crowd and flashing a bright smile that said as much as a smile could say - the Warriors had done it. Contact Paul LaTour at platour@scn1.com or 630-416-5205. Waubonsie Valley 4, Fremd 0 Waubonsie 2 2 --– 4 Fremd 0 0 –-- 0 First half - 1, Waubonsie, DiBernardo (Bostick), 28:38; 2, Waubonsie, DiBernardo (Lynch), 24:16. Second half - 3, Waubonsie, DiBernardo (B. Rodriguez), 32:19; 4, Waubonsie, B. Rodriguez, 19:10. Shots - Waubonsie 12, Fremd 4. Saves - Hanold, Waubonsie (1); Bollman, Fremd (4). Corner kicks - Waubonsie 7, Fremd 2. Congrats to the team. Well played. A theory....The freshman was the star of the night The Sophomore got the attention for most of the season With all of the Seniors graduating......................... what will the "Varsity" team look like next year their soph and Junior year??? Will 8 club Freshmen be outta this world awesome??? Or has the Apex been reached in their Freshmen and Sophomore years>  Will they quit their junior/senior years because the team 'sucks' There is not much for them to look forward to and scouts attitudes are "What have you done for me lately" when judging kids for scholorships. Saying you were "State Champs 3 years ago.....does it resonate? State Champs for Freshman and Sophomores playing Varsity....nothing in the future to look forward to........... Hurling kids forward is too fast too soon. And, of course, this is my opinion, that's all I have |
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Post by doctorwho on Jun 3, 2007 21:47:57 GMT -6
From the Naperville Sun...... The perfect ending Warriors cap undefeated season with state title June 3, 2007 By PAUL LATOUR Staff Writer A freshman was the star of the night. A sophomore got most of the attention all season. A junior made her mark at the most opportune time. But make no mistake, Waubonsie Valley was a team dominated by its seniors. That was apparent in the closing minutes of the Warriors' 4-0 win over Fremd in the Class AA girls soccer state championship Saturday night at Benedetti-Wehrli Stadium. As the clock ran down, the eight seniors were on the field while players on the bench stood and chanted, "Sen-iors! Sen-iors!" » Click to enlarge image Waubonsie Valley senior soccer players hold up the school's first state trophy in a team sport Saturday at North Central College. The Warriors finished 30-0-1, tying a state record for victories. Terence Guider-Shaw / Staff photographer » Click to enlarge image Waubonsie Valley senior soccer players hold up the school's first state trophy in a team sport Saturday at North Central College. The Warriors finished 30-0-1, tying a state record for victories. Terence Guider-Shaw / Staff photographer HEROES' WELCOME Waubonsie Valley will hold an assembly at 9 a.m. Tuesday in the school's main gym to celebrate the girls soccer team's state championship. "They're a very free-spirited group," Waubonsie coach Julie Bergstrom said of the seniors. "They brought that free-spirit attitude to the field every time they played. You just knew they were going to bring it every game." Still, it is freshman Vanessa DiBernardo who likely will be remembered the most simply because it's her name that is going into the IHSA record book. DiBernardo scored three goals, tying a Class AA championship game record set by Neuqua Valley's Michele Weissenhofer in 2005. "It was a dream and winning state is the best thing that could ever happen to me right now," said DiBernardo, a midfielder who finished with a team-high 19 goals. Sophomore Bri Rodriguez, a two-time coaches' all-state midfielder, had a goal and an assist to complete the scoring. Earlier in the day, junior Jessica Blake stepped to the forefront, scoring three goals of her own in Waubonsie's 3-1 semifinal win over Granite City. While DiBernardo had the most impressive showing in the finale, the rest of the accolades can be shared equally throughout the team. The Warriors (30-0-1) tied a state record for wins in a season and ended on a 27-game winning streak, the fourth-longest in state history. In the process, they brought Waubonsie its first team state title in any sport. "We worked so hard since we were freshmen and to come here as seniors and win it is ridiculous," senior forward Kylee Rodriguez said. "We always envisioned carrying around the trophy and everything. But we always knew there was a game to be played before we could do that." This time that game was the final - and it turned out to be not much of a game at all. DiBernardo struck for two goals in the first half before capping her hat trick early in the second. Rodriguez finished it off with just under 20 minutes to play. Waubonsie kept the Vikings (22-5) bottled up throughout, allowing only four shot attempts and only one on goalie Claire Hanold, who earned her 24th shutout. "They're a phenomenal team," said Fremd coach Steve Keller, a 1990 Waubonsie graduate, whose team reached the final with a 2-1 shootout victory over Lincoln-Way Central earlier in the day. "They had everything going for them. The odds were against us and we knew that. The better team won today, but we have nothing to be ashamed of." "With the clock draining the final two minutes of the season away - the final two minutes in the high school careers of Rodriguez, Kylie Andersen, Amanda Bardzinski, Diane Binder, Annie Lorenz, Meagan Lynch, Kaitlyn Rowsey and Christen Schuler - Schuler chased a ball past the Waubonsie end line. She turned to her left and spun back toward the field as the goal kick was being set up. A voice from the record crowd of 3,272 fans called out to her by name. Schuler took a few more steps before looking up, spotting the person in the crowd and flashing a bright smile that said as much as a smile could say - the Warriors had done it. Contact Paul LaTour at platour@scn1.com or 630-416-5205. Waubonsie Valley 4, Fremd 0 Waubonsie 2 2 --– 4 Fremd 0 0 –-- 0 First half - 1, Waubonsie, DiBernardo (Bostick), 28:38; 2, Waubonsie, DiBernardo (Lynch), 24:16. Second half - 3, Waubonsie, DiBernardo (B. Rodriguez), 32:19; 4, Waubonsie, B. Rodriguez, 19:10. Shots - Waubonsie 12, Fremd 4. Saves - Hanold, Waubonsie (1); Bollman, Fremd (4). Corner kicks - Waubonsie 7, Fremd 2. Congrats to the team. Well played. A theory....The freshman was the star of the night The Sophomore got the attention for most of the season With all of the Seniors graduating......................... what will the "Varsity" team look like next year their soph and Junior year??? Will 8 club Freshmen be outta this world awesome??? Or has the Apex been reached in their Freshmen and Sophomore years> Will they quit their junior/senior years because the team 'sucks' There is not much for them to look forward to and scouts attitudes are "What have you done for me lately" when judging kids for scholorships. Saying you were "State Champs 3 years ago.....does it resonate? State Champs for Freshman and Sophomores playing Varsity....nothing in the future to look forward to........... Hurling kids forward is too fast too soon. And, of course, this is my opinion, that's all I have So let me get this straight - success came too soon for them, they should lose or not compete for a few years first ? Again I am going to ask, were you ever an elite athlete, or a parent of an elite athlete ? If not then just my opinion but how would you have a basis to make that judgement as to how they will behave. It's like saying students should get some C's and D's in low level courses first because it they get an A in freshman calculus, what motivation will they have for the next 3 years ? Seems silly to me. Winning a state title or national championship does not jade an elite athlete to not care about the following years/seasons, if anything it drives them harder as they want to keep the continued success. As for scouts/head coaches in college - a state title / junior olympic national championship on one's resume - whether as a freshman or senior helps tremendously - they will sign by junior year of high school, that is how that works. Know a former local VB player who won 2 state titles and 2 junior olympic national championships in volleyball ( and yes was a 4 year varsity starter for a perennialpowerhouse team ) -- Did success spoil her ? No she went on to become the only 4 NCAA All-American at her position and won two national titles to go along with that -- if your theory was correct she would have washed out after her freshman year..... many of these kids are very driven and will also be successful in their careers as well, because they have been given a chance to excel and apply that in their everyday life. Maybe if we allowed more of that we wouldn't be getting our hat handed to us educationally worldwide. What would your opinion be on the Illinois Math and Science Academy ? Too much too soon for those gifted students as well ? Do away with project arrow ? Everyone performs at the same level regardless of talents ? |
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Post by harry on Jun 3, 2007 22:05:35 GMT -6
Congrats to the team. Well played. A theory....The freshman was the star of the night The Sophomore got the attention for most of the season With all of the Seniors graduating......................... what will the "Varsity" team look like next year their soph and Junior year??? Will 8 club Freshmen be outta this world awesome??? Or has the Apex been reached in their Freshmen and Sophomore years> Will they quit their junior/senior years because the team 'sucks' There is not much for them to look forward to and scouts attitudes are "What have you done for me lately" when judging kids for scholorships. Saying you were "State Champs 3 years ago.....does it resonate? State Champs for Freshman and Sophomores playing Varsity....nothing in the future to look forward to........... Hurling kids forward is too fast too soon. And, of course, this is my opinion, that's all I have So let me get this straight - success came too soon for them, they should lose or not compete for a few years first ? Again I am going to ask, were you ever an elite athlete, or a parent of an elite athlete ? If not you have no basis to make that judgement as to how they will behave. Winning a state title or national championship does not jade an elite athlete to not care about the following years/seasons, if anything it drives them harder as they want to keep the continued success. As for scouts/head coaches in college - a state title / junior olympic national championship on ones resume - whether as a freshman or senior helps tremendously - they will sign by junior year of high school, that is how that works. Of course they should compete, but will they??? The team won't be the 'same' and they will drop HS for club cause they can't re create the magic, and magic should be created by their, "in your opinion", Junior year. And lets face it, no one puts their '1st accomplishment' on a resume. It is typically "what have you done for me lately?". You are not an expert and yes I played a SCHOLARSHIP position for a prestigious private college. Does that make me an expert today??? NO Does your 35 year old expericence make you one???NO So in the future, just make it "your opinion" for a good arguement sake. It is not fact., And I am glad that your kid went on to play college sports. It still doesnt make you the authority. And SOMETIMES, one who's opinion differs from yours doesn't make them WRONG. And lets take it one step further....your hs and college accomplishments, in the end, don't really rank unless one continues to live in the past. Let's move on. |
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Post by doctorwho on Jun 3, 2007 22:33:01 GMT -6
So let me get this straight - success came too soon for them, they should lose or not compete for a few years first ? Again I am going to ask, were you ever an elite athlete, or a parent of an elite athlete ? If not you have no basis to make that judgement as to how they will behave. Winning a state title or national championship does not jade an elite athlete to not care about the following years/seasons, if anything it drives them harder as they want to keep the continued success. As for scouts/head coaches in college - a state title / junior olympic national championship on ones resume - whether as a freshman or senior helps tremendously - they will sign by junior year of high school, that is how that works. Of course they should compete, but will they??? The team won't be the 'same' and they will drop HS for club cause they can't re create the magic, and magic should be created by their, "in your opinion", Junior year. And lets face it, no one puts their '1st accomplishment' on a resume. It is typically "what have you done for me lately?". You are not an expert and yes I played a SCHOLARSHIP position for a prestigious private college. Does that make me an expert today??? NO Does your 35 year old expericence make you one???NO So in the future, just make it "your opinion" for a good arguement sake. It is not fact., And I am glad that your kid went on to play college sports. It still doesnt make you the authority. And SOMETIMES, one who's opinion differs from yours doesn't make them WRONG. And lets take it one step further....your hs and college accomplishments, in the end, don't really rank unless one continues to live in the past. Let's move on. 1st off it's not in my opinion about scholarships being awarded in junior year - it is fact, check with any NCAA university. And Yes, my experience as an NCAA student-athlete as well as going through the recruiting process of my child does afford me some knowledge of how it works my friend. And in case you choose not to read closely I have stated numerous times IMHO - do I need to explain what IMHO is ? You opinions on how student athletes will respond painted with a broad brush is IN MY OPINION, dead wrong, and an insult to those who work so hard for what they accomplish. And I DO NOT live in the past, but I choose to learn from it rather than ignore it.... You argue nothing with facts, just opinions - which IN MY OPINION again weakens those points. when it comes to holding kids back from accomplishments ( you never responded to the IMSA comparison ) - I prefere to let kids succeed at their own pace and not have someone dictate to them when they can be successful, at sports ,academics or life. When it comes to Lennon(Lenin) and Marx - I prefer John and Groucho to Vladimir and Karl - thank you. Anyone heard from ric lately ?  |
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Post by doctorwho on Jun 3, 2007 22:35:17 GMT -6
Meanwhile, off the ' athletes/kids get to much too fast ' line of thinking, I hope there is real nice press coverage Tuesday at WVHS.....I think the kids will handle it just fine !
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Post by harry on Jun 3, 2007 22:40:10 GMT -6
Congrats to the team. Well played. A theory....The freshman was the star of the night The Sophomore got the attention for most of the season With all of the Seniors graduating......................... what will the "Varsity" team look like next year their soph and Junior year??? Will 8 club Freshmen be outta this world awesome??? Or has the Apex been reached in their Freshmen and Sophomore years> Will they quit their junior/senior years because the team 'sucks' There is not much for them to look forward to and scouts attitudes are "What have you done for me lately" when judging kids for scholorships. Saying you were "State Champs 3 years ago.....does it resonate? State Champs for Freshman and Sophomores playing Varsity....nothing in the future to look forward to........... Hurling kids forward is too fast too soon. And, of course, this is my opinion, that's all I have So let me get this straight - success came too soon for them, they should lose or not compete for a few years first ? Again I am going to ask, were you ever an elite athlete, or a parent of an elite athlete ? If not then just my opinion but how would you have a basis to make that judgement as to how they will behave. It's like saying students should get some C's and D's in low level courses first because it they get an A in freshman calculus, what motivation will they have for the next 3 years ? Seems silly to me. Winning a state title or national championship does not jade an elite athlete to not care about the following years/seasons, if anything it drives them harder as they want to keep the continued success. As for scouts/head coaches in college - a state title / junior olympic national championship on one's resume - whether as a freshman or senior helps tremendously - they will sign by junior year of high school, that is how that works. Know a former local VB player who won 2 state titles and 2 junior olympic national championships in volleyball ( and yes was a 4 year varsity starter for a perennialpowerhouse team ) -- Did success spoil her ? No she went on to become the only 4 NCAA All-American at her position and won two national titles to go along with that -- if your theory was correct she would have washed out after her freshman year..... many of these kids are very driven and will also be successful in their careers as well, because they have been given a chance to excel and apply that in their everyday life. Maybe if we allowed more of that we wouldn't be getting our hat handed to us educationally worldwide. What would your opinion be on the Illinois Math and Science Academy ? Too much too soon for those gifted students as well ? Do away with project arrow ? Everyone performs at the same level regardless of talents ? Just saw your edit and I find it quite fitting. IMHO education in USA is not taken as seriously as most countries, where learning is coveted. Academically gifted is oranges vs. physically gifted. And several minutes of grade school 'project arrow' is not what I call giving gifted kids a leg up. When they reach middle school, they are teased and laughed at for their brilliance whereas the jocks are revered. THAT is telling in America. But the nerds win in the end after schooling ends.  |
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Post by doctorwho on Jun 3, 2007 22:45:26 GMT -6
So let me get this straight - success came too soon for them, they should lose or not compete for a few years first ? Again I am going to ask, were you ever an elite athlete, or a parent of an elite athlete ? If not then just my opinion but how would you have a basis to make that judgement as to how they will behave. It's like saying students should get some C's and D's in low level courses first because it they get an A in freshman calculus, what motivation will they have for the next 3 years ? Seems silly to me. Winning a state title or national championship does not jade an elite athlete to not care about the following years/seasons, if anything it drives them harder as they want to keep the continued success. As for scouts/head coaches in college - a state title / junior olympic national championship on one's resume - whether as a freshman or senior helps tremendously - they will sign by junior year of high school, that is how that works. Know a former local VB player who won 2 state titles and 2 junior olympic national championships in volleyball ( and yes was a 4 year varsity starter for a perennialpowerhouse team ) -- Did success spoil her ? No she went on to become the only 4 NCAA All-American at her position and won two national titles to go along with that -- if your theory was correct she would have washed out after her freshman year..... many of these kids are very driven and will also be successful in their careers as well, because they have been given a chance to excel and apply that in their everyday life. Maybe if we allowed more of that we wouldn't be getting our hat handed to us educationally worldwide. What would your opinion be on the Illinois Math and Science Academy ? Too much too soon for those gifted students as well ? Do away with project arrow ? Everyone performs at the same level regardless of talents ? Just saw your edit and I find it quite fitting. IMHO education in USA is not taken as seriously as most countries, where learning is coveted. Academically gifted is oranges vs. physically gifted. And several minutes of grade school 'project arrow' is not what I call giving gifted kids a leg up. When they reach middle school, they are teased and laughed at for their brilliance whereas the jocks are revered. THAT is telling in America. But the nerds win in the end after schooling ends. Success breeds success, and one does not have to be a 'nerd' to be gifted academically as well as gifted athletically - they are NOT mutually exclusive items. Another stereotype I do not agree with- IN MY OPINION. I don't see 'Revenge of the Nerds' as a reference work. And how could you be for any more than what project arrow allows today - when no one should move ahead of their age group ? |
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Post by harry on Jun 3, 2007 22:47:38 GMT -6
Of course they should compete, but will they??? The team won't be the 'same' and they will drop HS for club cause they can't re create the magic, and magic should be created by their, "in your opinion", Junior year. And lets face it, no one puts their '1st accomplishment' on a resume. It is typically "what have you done for me lately?". You are not an expert and yes I played a SCHOLARSHIP position for a prestigious private college. Does that make me an expert today??? NO Does your 35 year old expericence make you one???NO So in the future, just make it "your opinion" for a good arguement sake. It is not fact., And I am glad that your kid went on to play college sports. It still doesnt make you the authority. And SOMETIMES, one who's opinion differs from yours doesn't make them WRONG. And lets take it one step further....your hs and college accomplishments, in the end, don't really rank unless one continues to live in the past. Let's move on. 1st off it's not in my opinion about scholarships being awarded in junior year - it is fact, check with any NCAA university. And Yes, my experience as an NCAA student-athlete as well as going through the recruiting process of my child does afford me some knowledge of how it works my friend. And in case you choose not to read closely I have stated numerous times IMHO - do I need to explain what IMHO is ? You opinions on how student athletes will respond painted with a broad brush is IN MY OPINION, dead wrong, and an insult to those who work so hard for what they accomplish. And I DO NOT live in the past, but I choose to learn from it rather than ignore it.... You argue nothing with facts, just opinions - which IN MY OPINION again weakens those points. when it comes to holding kids back from accomplishments ( you never responded to the IMSA comparison ) - I prefere to let kids succeed at their own pace and not have someone dictate to them when they can be successful, at sports ,academics or life. When it comes to Lennon(Lenin) and Marx - I prefer John and Groucho to Vladimir and Karl - thank you. Anyone heard from ric lately ? I loved him!!! He stuck it to many on a regular basis. Probably kicked off like the rest of the posters who beg to diffter. You argue with nothing , just your opinions of facts. I prefer to let my kids be kids and go thru life with grace, let them fall down and not hover and dictate what is 'best' for them and my wallet. Here's a fact, I am a nurse and must get some sleep for an early shift. But then again, this is only my opinion. |
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Post by doctorwho on Jun 3, 2007 22:58:26 GMT -6
1st off it's not in my opinion about scholarships being awarded in junior year - it is fact, check with any NCAA university. And Yes, my experience as an NCAA student-athlete as well as going through the recruiting process of my child does afford me some knowledge of how it works my friend. And in case you choose not to read closely I have stated numerous times IMHO - do I need to explain what IMHO is ? You opinions on how student athletes will respond painted with a broad brush is IN MY OPINION, dead wrong, and an insult to those who work so hard for what they accomplish. And I DO NOT live in the past, but I choose to learn from it rather than ignore it.... You argue nothing with facts, just opinions - which IN MY OPINION again weakens those points. when it comes to holding kids back from accomplishments ( you never responded to the IMSA comparison ) - I prefere to let kids succeed at their own pace and not have someone dictate to them when they can be successful, at sports ,academics or life. When it comes to Lennon(Lenin) and Marx - I prefer John and Groucho to Vladimir and Karl - thank you. Anyone heard from ric lately ? I loved him!!! He stuck it to many on a regular basis. Probably kicked off like the rest of the posters who beg to diffter. You argue with nothing , just your opinions of facts. I prefer to let my kids be kids and go thru life with grace, let them fall down and not hover and dictate what is 'best' for them and my wallet. Here's a fact, I am a nurse and must get some sleep for an early shift. But then again, this is only my opinion. Again a list was posted as to who exactly was kicked off by the mods - didn't see ric on there or any multitudes of disagreers as you seem to think - and again , that is fact , not my opinion. The mods can correct me if I missed that name on a very short list. I know it is in the archives but I am not going digging for it. I have given you examples of athletes that did not fit the warped mold of what happens with early success - you ignore those references and respond with broad brush stereotypes and tell me I don't argue with facts - sorry, wrong. You rip project arrow, but then also don't believe anyone should move ahead of their time - so just what would make you happy there as that is quite the contradiction ? So a hint as to what the issue is above- who dictates what to anyone's wallet ? What does that have to do with anything. How you spend your $ is entirely your business - but so is how everyone spends theirs. As far as kids being kids, like most others mine don't fit your stereotype. They go on vacations, play multiple sports, are musically trained and yet find time to go out and play capture the flag and other fun things with their neighbors. Yet they know they sacrifice some things in order to gain others, not exactly a bad lesson IMHO. No one hovers over them as with the previous stereotypes ( seems to be a pattern here) of out of control sports parents. They know how to take care of themselves, and we are involved as needed. Sorry you see that as so limiting, glad my kids do not. But - you know what, most people here don't care to hear this and since you have not supplied one single example to show how early success will warp our children, I am done with this line of discussion......here's wishing nothing but success for our Warrior team, I have the utmost confidence this experience will be nothing but positive for them. Also congrats to the NV boys VB team for their 3rd place overall finish - another excellent accomplishment !! |
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Post by warriorpride on Jun 4, 2007 9:50:03 GMT -6
Go Warriors!!! (since that's what this thread is about, right ) |
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Post by doctorwho on Jun 4, 2007 10:04:51 GMT -6
Go Warriors!!! (since that's what this thread is about, right ) It indeed is which is why I tried to steer it back at the end of last post !  |
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