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Post by d204mom on Jun 5, 2008 8:03:04 GMT -6
It would be nice to see it rezoned for retail. Lord knows we don't need any more stores, but it would probably be better. Although alot of what is up in that area seems to be distribution facilities and that would also be a better option. I,ve been on the Midwest gen site. Those huge ugly electrical towers just tower over the site. Most of it is far away from Eola Road and the easement for the gas lines cut the4 porperty in half. I couldn't imagine shopping there. Someone posed the question last week - why didn't AME buy the MWGEN land to build their church - there is enough land and it's basically the exact same spot as they had. Maybe with the gas easements, etc. it is unworkable ? As I recall the site maps published in the paper didn't differentiate between MWGEN and AME land. Does the MWGEN land have no Eola frontage? |
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Post by researching on Jun 5, 2008 8:06:09 GMT -6
Funny how other people can say "get a grip" or something similar but it's not offensive. But when someone who is supportive of the HS says it, it's "offensive". So be it. FWIW, I don't support every single action of the school board. I believe they mishandled certain things. However, the question I was answering was not about the school board. It was a question as to why the school district personnel had not talked to the kids that would be affected by their MS and HS changes "as promised". I addressed it by saying that the pending litigations may have played a role in fulfilling those promises. That's not only my opinion but the stance the district took until at least the NSFOC lawsuit was decided upon. People question why the SD didn't communicate to the kids (and others), but it was largely because they were prevented from doing so because of the litigation. Somehow, Macy twisted my words and accused me of bringing the kids into it and I never once brought the kids into this. She said "Good Lord, leave the kids out of it". Tell me where in my response to the question of why the SD wasn't communcating with those kids did I bring the kids into it. Her comments to my post left me questioning that very thing. It was her overreaction that caused me to counter with the "get a grip" comment. ETA: clarification I think that line of thinking is quite frankly lame. And don't twist our concern for our children around, Lorip. Our community has been grossly mistreated by certain district personnel as well as certain SB members. Since we ourselves don't attend the schools but our children do, don't blame us for being sensitive about it and applying what they do and say to our kids. I really hope that isn't the case. Unfortunately my child's experience at Scullen changed DRAMATICALLY the second semester this year. |
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Post by d204mom on Jun 5, 2008 8:11:35 GMT -6
Actually, I will feel better when they: 1. Apologize to the children who were told they would go to MVHS and voted on the colors/mascot. 2. Apologize for the entitlement comment. 3. Apoligize for not interjecting when some community members called others racists. Until that time, I don't need to "twist" anything. It is what it is and they've said nothing to remedy any of it. What I don't get is why they need cheerleaders to defend their poor behavior. I'm sure your heart is in the right place - but we are "entitled" to feel the way we do about how we have been treated. They are responsible. And until they apoligize, I will continue to feel the way I do. You're asking that the school board and/or admin apologize to students? Can't you explain to your own child(ren) what happened? That the plans fell through and changed? Honestly, most middle school children in the district are being affected differently than expected when the site was BB. I do not expect anyone to apologize to my son that he DIDN'T get to vote on the mascot or school colors for the HS he'll be attending. Your child was lucky if they did, they got to have input in the district's future that my child did not. I realize people were burned by the entitlement comment but there are obviously plenty of people who DO feel entitled so I'm not sure why an apology would be necessary unless there was a time that an entire area/neighborhood was described that way rather than "some people" as it truly is. I have never been asked to be a cheerleader for anyone. The expectations for what the SB and admin should do about every situation seem to be both endless and sometimes in conflict with other expectations as well as sometimes with reality. No one can live up to every expectation from tens of thousands of residents with every single action and comment. mt4 - I can appreciate what you're saying; however, I don't think they would have hired a community relations director unless they knew they have a serious problem. One offhand remark does not necessitate the addition of a $72K cheerleader. I for one would like to see the formal plans Mr. PR has for improving things. |
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Post by snerdley on Jun 5, 2008 8:55:04 GMT -6
Actually, I will feel better when they: 1. Apologize to the children who were told they would go to MVHS and voted on the colors/mascot. 2. Apologize for the entitlement comment. 3. Apoligize for not interjecting when some community members called others racists. Until that time, I don't need to "twist" anything. It is what it is and they've said nothing to remedy any of it. What I don't get is why they need cheerleaders to defend their poor behavior. I'm sure your heart is in the right place - but we are "entitled" to feel the way we do about how we have been treated. They are responsible. And until they apoligize, I will continue to feel the way I do. You're asking that the school board and/or admin apologize to students? Can't you explain to your own child(ren) what happened? That the plans fell through and changed? Honestly, most middle school children in the district are being affected differently than expected when the site was BB. I do not expect anyone to apologize to my son that he DIDN'T get to vote on the mascot or school colors for the HS he'll be attending. Your child was lucky if they did, they got to have input in the district's future that my child did not. Yes, I expect an apology. They used the kids to get the vote out. I realize people were burned by the entitlement comment but there are obviously plenty of people who DO feel entitled so I'm not sure why an apology would be necessary unless there was a time that an entire area/neighborhood was described that way rather than "some people" as it truly is. It was a blanket statement and therefore an apology is in order. Absolutely. This statement alone caused tons of illwill.I have never been asked to be a cheerleader for anyone. The expectations for what the SB and admin should do about every situation seem to be both endless and sometimes in conflict with other expectations as well as sometimes with reality. No one can live up to every expectation from tens of thousands of residents with every single action and comment. They could certainly try. That's a cop out attitude. |
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Post by researching on Jun 5, 2008 9:01:03 GMT -6
You're asking that the school board and/or admin apologize to students? Can't you explain to your own child(ren) what happened? That the plans fell through and changed? Honestly, most middle school children in the district are being affected differently than expected when the site was BB. I do not expect anyone to apologize to my son that he DIDN'T get to vote on the mascot or school colors for the HS he'll be attending. Your child was lucky if they did, they got to have input in the district's future that my child did not. Yes, I expect an apology. They used the kids to get the vote out. I realize people were burned by the entitlement comment but there are obviously plenty of people who DO feel entitled so I'm not sure why an apology would be necessary unless there was a time that an entire area/neighborhood was described that way rather than "some people" as it truly is. It was a blanket statement and therefore an apology is in order. Absolutely. This statement alone caused tons of illwill.I have never been asked to be a cheerleader for anyone. The expectations for what the SB and admin should do about every situation seem to be both endless and sometimes in conflict with other expectations as well as sometimes with reality. No one can live up to every expectation from tens of thousands of residents with every single action and comment. They could certainly try. That's a cop out attitude. Ditto to everything snerdley said. I would also say this...Walk a mile (or 6) in my shoes. My focus has been on the safety of the AME site. So much so that I ignored the ugly comments coming at my area. Now, after seeing first hand the effects this is causing to the kids in my area (especially the 8th graders), I am EXTREMELY concerned. |
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Post by Arch on Jun 5, 2008 9:03:40 GMT -6
I would also say this...Walk a mile (or 6) in my shoes. My focus has been on the safety of the AME site. So much so that I ignored the ugly comments coming at my area. Now, after seeing first hand the effects this is causing to the kids in my area (especially the 8th graders), I am EXTREMELY concerned. I will definitely share anything if I ever hear back from my official request to work w/ the pipeline operators and install valves and replace pipes. |
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Post by researching on Jun 5, 2008 9:07:09 GMT -6
I would also say this...Walk a mile (or 6) in my shoes. My focus has been on the safety of the AME site. So much so that I ignored the ugly comments coming at my area. Now, after seeing first hand the effects this is causing to the kids in my area (especially the 8th graders), I am EXTREMELY concerned. I will definitely share anything if I ever hear back from my official request to work w/ the pipeline operators and install valves and replace pipes. Thank you so much! I really appreciate that! |
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Post by proschool on Jun 5, 2008 12:44:37 GMT -6
I would also say this...Walk a mile (or 6) in my shoes. My focus has been on the safety of the AME site. So much so that I ignored the ugly comments coming at my area. Now, after seeing first hand the effects this is causing to the kids in my area (especially the 8th graders), I am EXTREMELY concerned. I will definitely share anything if I ever hear back from my official request to work w/ the pipeline operators and install valves and replace pipes. I appreciate the work that Arch is doing here. However I don't know if the valves will help much. IIRC correctly the government has agreed that the valves only create a false sense of security because most of the damage caused by a blast will occur in the first few minutes before a valve could stop the flow of gas. I am trying to imagine Kinder Morgan' position on this. One one hand they would never want to publicly assert that their pipelines are in any way unsafe. On the other hand they couldn't be too happy about the additional liability they will be exposed to when they suddenly traversing tons of natural gas under a school property. I would bet that Kinder Morgan would rather see the high school anywhere else but next door over three of its large pipelines. With that being said why would they want to go through all of that expense to encourage the school district to build there? |
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Post by proschool on Jun 5, 2008 12:53:27 GMT -6
I,ve been on the Midwest gen site. Those huge ugly electrical towers just tower over the site. Most of it is far away from Eola Road and the easement for the gas lines cut the4 porperty in half. I couldn't imagine shopping there. Someone posed the question last week - why didn't AME buy the MWGEN land to build their church - there is enough land and it's basically the exact same spot as they had. Maybe with the gas easements, etc. it is unworkable ? As I recall the site maps published in the paper didn't differentiate between MWGEN and AME land. Does the MWGEN land have no Eola frontage? It gas soem frontage but I am not so optimistic about much possibilty for retail. Anyone feel free to correct me on this. I haven't researched it carefully. MIDGEN had 25 acres to sell ( I think). 75% of that is too far from Eola for retail ( I guess). Half of the remainder would have to be preserved for access to the back portion of the property. The remaining three of four acres may be right turn in right turn out. BB had great potential for surrounding businesses and the opportunity for revenue and the entertainment value that it could have bought was never really addressed when they selected AME. |
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Post by Arch on Jun 5, 2008 12:53:33 GMT -6
The quicker the gas shuts off the less fuel there is to ignite and if it does ignite, the less chance there is to start a whole-structure fire on the building.
The longer it burns, the greater chance the building has of burning completely to the ground.
That's my opinion of the situation.
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Post by proschool on Jun 5, 2008 13:04:32 GMT -6
The quicker the gas shuts off the less fuel there is to ignite and if it does ignite, the less chance there is to start a whole-structure fire on the building. The longer it burns, the greater chance the building has of burning completely to the ground. That's my opinion of the situation. I respect your opinion. |
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Post by Arch on Jun 5, 2008 13:09:13 GMT -6
The quicker the gas shuts off the less fuel there is to ignite and if it does ignite, the less chance there is to start a whole-structure fire on the building. The longer it burns, the greater chance the building has of burning completely to the ground. That's my opinion of the situation. I respect your opinion. I respect yours too. The valves are not perfect. That's why I also included replacing the actual pipes too. Today, they even sometimes coat some in carbon fiber too for more strength and integrity (I bet that's a pretty penny though). |
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Post by overtaxed on Jun 5, 2008 13:56:55 GMT -6
I didn't, but go ahead and twist it to your benefit so it makes you feel better. Actually, I will feel better when they: 1. Apologize to the children who were told they would go to MVHS and voted on the colors/mascot. 2. Apologize for the entitlement comment. 3. Apoligize for not interjecting when some community members called others racists. Until that time, I don't need to "twist" anything. It is what it is and they've said nothing to remedy any of it. What I don't get is why they need cheerleaders to defend their poor behavior. I'm sure your heart is in the right place - but we are "entitled" to feel the way we do about how we have been treated. They are responsible. And until they apoligize, I will continue to feel the way I do. You are not the only one, but I'm guessing we well be waiting until h*ll freezes over. |
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Post by d204mom on Jun 5, 2008 18:05:07 GMT -6
Someone posed the question last week - why didn't AME buy the MWGEN land to build their church - there is enough land and it's basically the exact same spot as they had. Maybe with the gas easements, etc. it is unworkable ? As I recall the site maps published in the paper didn't differentiate between MWGEN and AME land. Does the MWGEN land have no Eola frontage? It gas soem frontage but I am not so optimistic about much possibilty for retail. Anyone feel free to correct me on this. I haven't researched it carefully. MIDGEN had 25 acres to sell ( I think). 75% of that is too far from Eola for retail ( I guess). Half of the remainder would have to be preserved for access to the back portion of the property. The remaining three of four acres may be right turn in right turn out. BB had great potential for surrounding businesses and the opportunity for revenue and the entertainment value that it could have bought was never really addressed when they selected AME. MWGEN land is 37.47 acres. St. John was going to keep 35 (84.1 - 49.1) to build their church. Any word on if they are buying the MWGEN land to build their chuch? It's the perfect sized piece of land right where they wanted their church. I heard they have found their land and now have enough funds to build their church. |
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Post by Arch on Jun 5, 2008 19:48:09 GMT -6
Someone said they purchased land at Eola/Bilter.
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