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Post by ru4real on May 29, 2008 20:33:46 GMT -6
Oh I got your point. Fact is though that you don't actually make one that warrants a true response of sincerity. and yet here you r |
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Post by ru4real on May 29, 2008 20:35:29 GMT -6
HEY here's a new fun game. Who thinks the boundaries will change again before MV opens. I'll start. Me, I do. Especially if John Stephens and Jeanette Clark lose their seats. I'm hearing they aren't going to run in the Spring anyway. When JS leaves Owen East will go back to MV. ETA - it just doesn't make sense to pack WV when Gold closes. They'll pull more out because MV won't be full. I second the motion as only SMART SD wait until the last second to proclaim boundary moves. Boundaries, as we all know but hate, are not connected EVER to referendums |
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Post by refbasics on May 29, 2008 20:35:47 GMT -6
HEY here's a new fun game. Who thinks the boundaries will change again before MV opens.I'll start. Me, I do. Especially if John Stephens and Jeanette Clark lose their seats. I'm hearing they aren't going to run in the Spring anyway. When JS leaves Owen East will go back to MV. ETA - it just doesn't make sense to pack WV when Gold closes. They'll pull more out because MV won't be full. ------------------ i think the boundaries will change for the simple reason that there is no boundary criteria!  |
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Post by southsidemom on May 29, 2008 20:38:56 GMT -6
Oh I got your point. Fact is though that you don't actually make one that warrants a true response of sincerity. and yet here you r You are so funny. I feel like I am dealing with my 8 year old that always has to have the last word. So feel free to respond and I will give you just that. I know you can't resist!!!!!! ;D |
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Post by ru4real on May 29, 2008 20:40:54 GMT -6
You are so funny. I feel like I am dealing with my 8 year old that always has to have the last word. So feel free to respond and I will give you just that. I know you can't resist!!!!!! ;D I am sure that your 8 year old learned that from the school as they are your children's primary educator  |
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Post by lorip on May 29, 2008 20:41:26 GMT -6
I understand your position. I can't speak for Brookdale. I can speak for my own feelings about how people got "screwed over". When Owen East split off from Owen West without a word to/with the Owen West parents, it felt like we got screwed over, too. We would have supported their position and likely advocated for them knowing their reasons ( I realize they are similar to the reasons for Watts not wanting to travel all the way to Eola, but that is not my point). My point is the Owen community, IMO, and of others who I have talked to felt like they got thrown under the bus. I think it's water under the bridge now, but the now Owen West seems to always get the shaft. We moved from White Eagle ES, then to McCarty, and then to Owen. This group of people has the longest commute to an ES in the district. However, I don't think any one of us would change that now. So for us to have one of the longest commutes to HS I suppose is "no big deal" for us. In fact, the commute to Eola and the commute to Owen ES is the same - I drove it one day. People talked of putting the Eola site back on a ballot. Even though the HS will no longer be "in my back yard", I would still vote for the Eola site, so location has not made a difference for me. My support was for a 3rd HS and still is. I understand though, that there might be some that fall into the category you mentioned, and of course, there will always be those people in any district. My plea was just to keep an open mind regarding the referendum itself and try to disregard the people behind it. I know that will be difficult for some. However, there have been people that have visited the green board that have said they will do just that, so I have hope. And I respect your opinions because you state them without malice ( unlike some others) - and they are your opinions. Yes, Owen did get thrown under the bus, and that throwing came from your SB member it sure appears, since people who claim to have heard from him days before the SB meeting that this split would take place. ( I know they put on a quality show to make everything appear to be spontaneous ). I don't envy that ES commute - but I also don't envy the fact Watts travels already to the 3rd closest MS. I think we do take one for the team already - then to get sent to the furthest HS becomes far more than taking one for the team. Then to have the SB not even acknowledge our existence in their ' issues to address' - when the felt compelled to move people 2 minutes to my south just proves how much they care about our area. Couple that with listening to a booster club president celebrating at orientation that the new blood into WVHS would bring more money for that group - ( when you are the group leavoing)- and the insults become a little much to handle. So I'd like to say I will be openminded in the future, and maybe time will heal some things, but I can't make that promise today. When my daughter graduates next Wednesday and says goodbye to many friends for the last time- and I have to try and explain again why she is not going to WV< I doubt that will help my opinion. I can tell you that if a referendum vote was tomorrow I would be a No voter. And I have voted for every referendum since I have lived here for almost 20 years - and having volunteered untold hours to this district and the ref passing, I get it's about the kids. Just obviosuly, not all the kids. I hope that time does heal your wounds. I'm not speaking of the benefit of district, but for you personally, Dr. Who. The fact that you imply you "might" be able to consider a "yes" vote is appreciated. You give me hope. |
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Post by ru4real on May 29, 2008 20:42:58 GMT -6
HEY here's a new fun game. Who thinks the boundaries will change again before MV opens.I'll start. Me, I do. Especially if John Stephens and Jeanette Clark lose their seats. I'm hearing they aren't going to run in the Spring anyway. When JS leaves Owen East will go back to MV. ETA - it just doesn't make sense to pack WV when Gold closes. They'll pull more out because MV won't be full. ------------------ i think the boundaries will change for the simple reason that there is no boundary criteria! Why should there be boundaries today for a 3rd hs when said hs will not be completed until 2009 or further. Afterall, we all agree that enrollement has dropped and thus changed. |
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Post by ru4real on May 29, 2008 20:46:36 GMT -6
And I respect your opinions because you state them without malice ( unlike some others) - and they are your opinions. Yes, Owen did get thrown under the bus, and that throwing came from your SB member it sure appears, since people who claim to have heard from him days before the SB meeting that this split would take place. ( I know they put on a quality show to make everything appear to be spontaneous ). I don't envy that ES commute - but I also don't envy the fact Watts travels already to the 3rd closest MS. I think we do take one for the team already - then to get sent to the furthest HS becomes far more than taking one for the team. Then to have the SB not even acknowledge our existence in their ' issues to address' - when the felt compelled to move people 2 minutes to my south just proves how much they care about our area. Couple that with listening to a booster club president celebrating at orientation that the new blood into WVHS would bring more money for that group - ( when you are the group leavoing)- and the insults become a little much to handle. So I'd like to say I will be openminded in the future, and maybe time will heal some things, but I can't make that promise today. When my daughter graduates next Wednesday and says goodbye to many friends for the last time- and I have to try and explain again why she is not going to WV< I doubt that will help my opinion. I can tell you that if a referendum vote was tomorrow I would be a No voter. And I have voted for every referendum since I have lived here for almost 20 years - and having volunteered untold hours to this district and the ref passing, I get it's about the kids. Just obviosuly, not all the kids. I hope that time does heal your wounds. I'm not speaking of the benefit of district, but for you personally, Dr. Who. The fact that you imply you "might" be able to consider a "yes" vote is appreciated. You give me hope. The great oz believes that dist 204 yes votes are no longer, only yes votes to Benet |
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Post by doctorwho on May 29, 2008 20:50:01 GMT -6
And I respect your opinions because you state them without malice ( unlike some others) - and they are your opinions. Yes, Owen did get thrown under the bus, and that throwing came from your SB member it sure appears, since people who claim to have heard from him days before the SB meeting that this split would take place. ( I know they put on a quality show to make everything appear to be spontaneous ). I don't envy that ES commute - but I also don't envy the fact Watts travels already to the 3rd closest MS. I think we do take one for the team already - then to get sent to the furthest HS becomes far more than taking one for the team. Then to have the SB not even acknowledge our existence in their ' issues to address' - when the felt compelled to move people 2 minutes to my south just proves how much they care about our area. Couple that with listening to a booster club president celebrating at orientation that the new blood into WVHS would bring more money for that group - ( when you are the group leavoing)- and the insults become a little much to handle. So I'd like to say I will be openminded in the future, and maybe time will heal some things, but I can't make that promise today. When my daughter graduates next Wednesday and says goodbye to many friends for the last time- and I have to try and explain again why she is not going to WV< I doubt that will help my opinion. I can tell you that if a referendum vote was tomorrow I would be a No voter. And I have voted for every referendum since I have lived here for almost 20 years - and having volunteered untold hours to this district and the ref passing, I get it's about the kids. Just obviosuly, not all the kids. I hope that time does heal your wounds. I'm not speaking of the benefit of district, but for you personally, Dr. Who. The fact that you imply you "might" be able to consider a "yes" vote is appreciated. You give me hope. It's all I can give today. I have dedicated a lot of time to kids over the years - coaching, mentoring, and hopefully motivating ( work with CPS ) - I have dealt with disappointments in the past, but my faith in a lot of people has been shaken over what transpired here. Many days I wish I had never gotten involved at all, I would know less and likely be a lot less upset. |
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Post by MustangSix on May 29, 2008 20:55:40 GMT -6
HEY here's a new fun game. Who thinks the boundaries will change again before MV opens. I'll start. Me, I do. Especially if John Stephens and Jeanette Clark lose their seats. I'm hearing they aren't going to run in the Spring anyway. When JS leaves Owen East will go back to MV. ETA - it just doesn't make sense to pack WV when Gold closes. They'll pull more out because MV won't be full. Wow - I hadn't even thought that far out, but it sounds very plausible that we could play some more Name That Boundary Game or is it Deal or No Deal? Truth or Consequences??? Wow - I'm getting my seat for this one ... alot can happen between now and then. |
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Post by researching on May 29, 2008 20:56:25 GMT -6
I am proud to say NEITHER DID I!!!!!! Did either of you vote in the last election? ;D Rhetorical question--doesn't require an answer, but it is amazing to me that the same group keeps getting re-elected time after time. I absolutely did vote. I always vote. Unfortunately too many people don't. If it doesn't directly effect their families they don't go to the polls. Sad but true. ETA - I too continue to be amazed that these individuals keep getting elected. M2 is obviously an expert at the political game. They all know who to make happy and who to care less about. It's obvious which category I fall into.  |
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Post by friend on May 29, 2008 20:58:07 GMT -6
Drwho - If there is one thing I have learned about boundaries is that 204 does not "shift" subdivision's they "sling shot" them to a new school. Case and point......When the Villages of Meadow Lakes was discussed as "the one" to go to Owen it was a "sling shot." A true "shift" would have meant that subdivisions closer to Owen could have gone to Owen allowing the Vof ML to go to a closer school. Alas, that was not even considered. Also, there was no public support shown from any subdivsions in 204 in keeping the Vof ML to a closer school. Where were all the caring people then? IMH experience, people only come out when their subdivision is affected. I am sorry for you my friend that you have been a victim of "sling-shot" not "shift. Unfortunately, the split at Owen was another example of how people come out for their own cause. I agree with the other poster from Owen that if the school had come together as a whole and discuss the issue like real adults, alot of Owen"West" people would not had been as upset. I don't think Owen East would have gotten the last minute reprieve if John Stephens didn't live in Brighton Ridge. Do you? I think the question should be this. Where would ALL of Owen of be going to HS IF John Stephens lived in the Villages of Meadow Lakes? Now let's hear the answer to that question! |
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Post by doctorwho on May 29, 2008 21:04:26 GMT -6
HEY here's a new fun game. Who thinks the boundaries will change again before MV opens. I'll start. Me, I do. Especially if John Stephens and Jeanette Clark lose their seats. I'm hearing they aren't going to run in the Spring anyway. When JS leaves Owen East will go back to MV. ETA - it just doesn't make sense to pack WV when Gold closes. They'll pull more out because MV won't be full. Wow - I hadn't even thought that far out, but it sounds very plausible that we could play some more Name That Boundary Game or is it Deal or No Deal? Truth or Consequences??? Wow - I'm getting my seat for this one ... alot can happen between now and then. sure it can... and in some cases those switches are likely already on paper somewhere..... as for me , I don't have the stomach to go thru it a 3rd time. |
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Post by researching on May 29, 2008 21:04:47 GMT -6
I don't think Owen East would have gotten the last minute reprieve if John Stephens didn't live in Brighton Ridge. Do you? I think the question should be this. Where would ALL of Owen of be going to HS IF John Stephens lived in the Villages of Meadow Lakes? Now let's here the answer to that question! How about this...create a STANDARD set of criteria for establishing the boundaries and STRICTLY follow them. Period. |
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Post by southsidemom on May 29, 2008 21:09:30 GMT -6
HEY here's a new fun game. Who thinks the boundaries will change again before MV opens. I'll start. Me, I do. Especially if John Stephens and Jeanette Clark lose their seats. I'm hearing they aren't going to run in the Spring anyway. When JS leaves Owen East will go back to MV. ETA - it just doesn't make sense to pack WV when Gold closes. They'll pull more out because MV won't be full. Wow - I hadn't even thought that far out, but it sounds very plausible that we could play some more Name That Boundary Game or is it Deal or No Deal? Truth or Consequences??? Wow - I'm getting my seat for this one ... alot can happen between now and then. It is all about pleasing their neighbors/friends while in office and then do whatever the hell you want with these people. Just leave me out of it they say. |
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